Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

[MeanGeraldGreen]

The Celtics have passed on Noel every offseason for a reason, FWIW.

[Shak_Celts]

I continue to like the idea of Nerlens Noel as Timelord-lite.

Of course, that makes sense mainly if Timelord is a big part of the general plan, but I like that idea too.

I am surprised to learn that Noel is still under 30. Seems like he has been around for so long. Maybe it is because he doesn't really do anything on the basketball court for several years now?

Not seeing the value for Celtics. Him and Queta both let go by Sacto. Two guys who can go after every block, but what else? Can they quickly rotate out to the perimeter on D like Rob? If not that, can they contribute on offense by making an occasional open 3? Neither shoots the 3.

Neither are perimeter defenders and don't shoot the 3. Joe is likely not going to give such a player any minutes at all.

Noel isn’t great but I’d rather him than Korny as players. Korny must be like Blake for team morale because I still don’t understand why we keep him. He may have really high bbiq without the physical ability to match, that could be useful too. I really don’t get it but I do want him to succeed. He does what he can when he’s in but I wish they would let someone else try it… they may not be that good either or maybe they surprise and fit better.

May have to get a Korny jersey because Brad loves him.

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Maybe Gallinari gets traded and released again. I mean, I would have preferred he play a bit more often but I def enjoyed the Gallinari as 15th man experience.

Well, I just came across this:

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So, it looks like if Gallo is traded, it would be a team that is looking for shooting so it would be a team that actually wants to keep him and not waive him.

Also, I'm fine with us not bringing him back. There's never once (to my knowledge) in NBA history been a guy who has come back from a torn ACL this far into his 30's and actually been a good player. The oldest was Danny Green who came back last season but barely played and his mobility was not very good.

Gallo's mobility was already getting pretty bad and that was before he tore his ACL for the 2nd time. All the vids I have seen him post on social media of his rehab process, it looks like he can still shoot but I have serious doubts about his mobility at this point and his ability to play anything that resembles defense - especially for a team trying to win a championship.

I wish him the best but I'm fine if we explore other options for that roster spot.

[Shak_Celts]

The Celtics have passed on Noel every offseason for a reason, FWIW.

Weren’t we going to sign him and he passed on us once? I think it was with Danny. Could be thinking of someone else.

[MeanGeraldGreen]

The Celtics have passed on Noel every offseason for a reason, FWIW.

Weren’t we going to sign him and he passed on us once? I think it was with Danny. Could be thinking of someone else.

I don’t remember that, but maybe? I just know there’s been some off court complications involved in him not coming here.

[Hal14]

The Celtics have passed on Noel every offseason for a reason, FWIW.

Weren’t we going to sign him and he passed on us once? I think it was with Danny. Could be thinking of someone else.

I don’t remember that, but maybe? I just know there’s been some off court complications involved in him not coming here.

Noel seems to bounce around so much and doesn't stick anywhere. Detroit didn't want him, then he goes to the Nets who desperately needed a backup big man but didn't last long there. Signs with the Kings and doesn't even make it to training camp before getting waived.

29 yrs old so should still be in his prime. Yet he only played in 17 games last season and 25 the year before that, can't stick with a team anywhere. Rim protector but doesn't do much else to add value on on offense or defend the perimeter. Has some off court issues, gets injured a lot. Sounds an awful lot like Hassan Whiteside, who's been out of the league for over a year now.

Also sounds a bit like Ibaka, who is now playing overseas.

[Shak_Celts]

Weren’t we going to sign him and he passed on us once? I think it was with Danny. Could be thinking of someone else.

I don’t remember that, but maybe? I just know there’s been some off court complications involved in him not coming here.

Noel seems to bounce around so much and doesn't stick anywhere. Detroit didn't want him, then he goes to the Nets who desperately needed a backup big man but didn't last long there. Signs with the Kings and doesn't even make it to training camp before getting waived.

29 yrs old so should still be in his prime. Yet he only played in 17 games last season and 25 the year before that, can't stick with a team anywhere. Rim protector but doesn't do much else to add value on on offense or defend the perimeter. Has some off court issues, gets injured a lot. Sounds an awful lot like Hassan Whiteside, who's been out of the league for over a year now.

Also sounds a bit like Ibaka, who is now playing overseas.

Ibaka is one I’m really confused about. I haven’t heard anything bad about him. What’s up with that?

[165bows]

Maybe Gallinari gets traded and released again. I mean, I would have preferred he play a bit more often but I def enjoyed the Gallinari as 15th man experience.

Well, I just came across this:

Read on Twitter

So, it looks like if Gallo is traded, it would be a team that is looking for shooting so it would be a team that actually wants to keep him and not waive him.

Also, I'm fine with us not bringing him back. There's never once (to my knowledge) in NBA history been a guy who has come back from a torn ACL this far into his 30's and actually been a good player. The oldest was Danny Green who came back last season but barely played and his mobility was not very good.

Gallo's mobility was already getting pretty bad and that was before he tore his ACL for the 2nd time. All the vids I have seen him post on social media of his rehab process, it looks like he can still shoot but I have serious doubts about his mobility at this point and his ability to play anything that resembles defense - especially for a team trying to win a championship.

I wish him the best but I'm fine if we explore other options for that roster spot.

Cool, hadn't seen that. Would actually love to have Muscala back, guy that's a seasoned vet, can back up some 4 and 5, shoot and pass a little bit. Not sure if he's generally injury prone like he seemed in his stint here or if that was just bad timing - not really likely or even possible but he'd be a great fit for the deep back up role they have left.

Anyways, good luck to the Rooster, he seemed like a genuinely good dude.

[Hal14]

I don’t remember that, but maybe? I just know there’s been some off court complications involved in him not coming here.

Noel seems to bounce around so much and doesn't stick anywhere. Detroit didn't want him, then he goes to the Nets who desperately needed a backup big man but didn't last long there. Signs with the Kings and doesn't even make it to training camp before getting waived.

29 yrs old so should still be in his prime. Yet he only played in 17 games last season and 25 the year before that, can't stick with a team anywhere. Rim protector but doesn't do much else to add value on on offense or defend the perimeter. Has some off court issues, gets injured a lot. Sounds an awful lot like Hassan Whiteside, who's been out of the league for over a year now.

Also sounds a bit like Ibaka, who is now playing overseas.

Ibaka is one I’m really confused about. I haven’t heard anything bad about him. What’s up with that?

Well, I don't think he did himself any favors with this interview where he basically throws shade at his former team (Milwaukee) and talks crap about their coach and the lack of communication he got about his role the inconsistent playing time. He comes across as high maintenance. And you don't want a high maintenance guy for an end of the bench player.

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It's like dude, just be happy you're still in the league lol. But he complained so much in this interview and now he's out of the league.

But I think it has more to do with being old, way past his prime and not being versatile enough. These days, teams want bigs who are more versatile on both ends of the floor, can run DHO, can be a high post passing hub, can see the floor, can switch defensively, hit some shots, etc.

[GoCeltics123]

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Again, some team is going to dump a contract they don’t want for him and they’ll just cut Porter after, and that team is getting a PR nightmare. Have fun with that

[ConstableGeneva]

Once Giannis joins the Celtics, the Cs would have the top two players in +/- (regular season + playoffs) since Tatum entered the league. Team might have an easier time whenever JT sits.

[Celts17Pride]

The Celtics have passed on Noel every offseason for a reason, FWIW.

and most likely will pass again.

[Dogen]

I continue to like the idea of Nerlens Noel as Timelord-lite.

Of course, that makes sense mainly if Timelord is a big part of the general plan, but I like that idea too.

I am surprised to learn that Noel is still under 30. Seems like he has been around for so long. Maybe it is because he doesn't really do anything on the basketball court for several years now?

Not seeing the value for Celtics. Him and Queta both let go by Sacto. Two guys who can go after every block, but what else? Can they quickly rotate out to the perimeter on D like Rob? If not that, can they contribute on offense by making an occasional open 3? Neither shoots the 3.

Neither are perimeter defenders and don't shoot the 3. Joe is likely not going to give such a player any minutes at all.

Noel isn’t great but I’d rather him than Korny as players. Korny must be like Blake for team morale because I still don’t understand why we keep him. He may have really high bbiq without the physical ability to match, that could be useful too. I really don’t get it but I do want him to succeed. He does what he can when he’s in but I wish they would let someone else try it… they may not be that good either or maybe they surprise and fit better.

May have to get a Korny jersey because Brad loves him.

I think Kornet and Banton are only guaranteed a spot up to a certain point? I don't recall the details.

There is still some young talent out there, and there are decent vets out there for 14/15 spot. Noel would be fine for a backup big -- probably better than Kornet -- but Kornet ostensibly has the 3 ball, giving him the edge (although he rarely plays or shoots 3's).

From a team need standpoint, I'd rather have Noel than Kornet as Rob insurance -- and also rather bring in Lamar Stevens than Banton.

Then that 15th is still open for a younger front court player with upside, like Gabriel or Foster Jr. Or, one of those two guys for final 2-way and bring DJ Steward up for the 15th spot.

If Joe doesn't actually play Kornet this year, then yeah I guess he's just a great guy to keep around. He gets outmuscled and doesn't play up to his size, so I don't get it. At this point he's like a fixture on the team, so since there has been so much turnover this summer, maybe having the continuity is better than more wholesale roster changes.

[GoCeltics123]

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[Celts17Pride]

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Again, some team is going to dump a contract they don’t want for him and they’ll just cut Porter after, and that team is getting a PR nightmare. Have fun with that

I wonder if this could help Miami in their pursuit of Lillard. Porter, players and (2) 1st round picks to Miami and Herro to Houston. Miami's package gets a little better with players from Houston and the added draft picks. Just a thought. I'm sure Pat the Rat is on it.

[Shak_Celts]

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Again, some team is going to dump a contract they don’t want for him and they’ll just cut Porter after, and that team is getting a PR nightmare. Have fun with that

I wonder if this could help Miami in their pursuit of Lillard. Porter, players and (2) 1st round picks to Miami and Herro to Houston. Miami's package gets a little better with players from Houston and the added draft picks. Just a thought. I'm sure Pat the Rat is on it.

porter isn't a piece to bolster a deal unless Portland wants to clear money for next season by waiving him. no one is going to let him play anytime soon, whether through prison or not. Unless one of the picks is a 1 from Houston, which I think would be crazy to get off the 1 year he's owed, what do they gain? That deal sounds like the same Mia is already offering.

[MeanGeraldGreen]

Any team that trades for Porter is immediately dumping him.

[Shak_Celts]

Noel seems to bounce around so much and doesn't stick anywhere. Detroit didn't want him, then he goes to the Nets who desperately needed a backup big man but didn't last long there. Signs with the Kings and doesn't even make it to training camp before getting waived.

29 yrs old so should still be in his prime. Yet he only played in 17 games last season and 25 the year before that, can't stick with a team anywhere. Rim protector but doesn't do much else to add value on on offense or defend the perimeter. Has some off court issues, gets injured a lot. Sounds an awful lot like Hassan Whiteside, who's been out of the league for over a year now.

Also sounds a bit like Ibaka, who is now playing overseas.

Ibaka is one I’m really confused about. I haven’t heard anything bad about him. What’s up with that?

Well, I don't think he did himself any favors with this interview where he basically throws shade at his former team (Milwaukee) and talks crap about their coach and the lack of communication he got about his role the inconsistent playing time. He comes across as high maintenance. And you don't want a high maintenance guy for an end of the bench player.

Read on Twitter

It's like dude, just be happy you're still in the league lol. But he complained so much in this interview and now he's out of the league.

But I think it has more to do with being old, way past his prime and not being versatile enough. These days, teams want bigs who are more versatile on both ends of the floor, can run DHO, can be a high post passing hub, can see the floor, can switch defensively, hit some shots, etc.

I saw that a while back and didn't see the problem with what he said. I don't have to hire him though, I'd probably be stricter if I had to (maybe).

[Celts17Pride]

Any team that trades for Porter is immediately dumping him.

Agreed. The NBA is a salary cap league. KPJ's only value right now is his non-guaranteed contract.

[snowman]

I am surprised to learn that Noel is still under 30. Seems like he has been around for so long. Maybe it is because he doesn't really do anything on the basketball court for several years now?

Not seeing the value for Celtics. Him and Queta both let go by Sacto. Two guys who can go after every block, but what else? Can they quickly rotate out to the perimeter on D like Rob? If not that, can they contribute on offense by making an occasional open 3? Neither shoots the 3.

Neither are perimeter defenders and don't shoot the 3. Joe is likely not going to give such a player any minutes at all.

Noel isn’t great but I’d rather him than Korny as players. Korny must be like Blake for team morale because I still don’t understand why we keep him. He may have really high bbiq without the physical ability to match, that could be useful too. I really don’t get it but I do want him to succeed. He does what he can when he’s in but I wish they would let someone else try it… they may not be that good either or maybe they surprise and fit better.

May have to get a Korny jersey because Brad loves him.

I think Kornet and Banton are only guaranteed a spot up to a certain point? I don't recall the details.

There is still some young talent out there, and there are decent vets out there for 14/15 spot. Noel would be fine for a backup big -- probably better than Kornet -- but Kornet ostensibly has the 3 ball, giving him the edge (although he rarely plays or shoots 3's).

From a team need standpoint, I'd rather have Noel than Kornet as Rob insurance -- and also rather bring in Lamar Stevens than Banton.

Then that 15th is still open for a younger front court player with upside, like Gabriel or Foster Jr. Or, one of those two guys for final 2-way and bring DJ Steward up for the 15th spot.

If Joe doesn't actually play Kornet this year, then yeah I guess he's just a great guy to keep around. He gets outmuscled and doesn't play up to his size, so I don't get it. At this point he's like a fixture on the team, so since there has been so much turnover this summer, maybe having the continuity is better than more wholesale roster changes.

If I had to guess, Banton will have his spot on the roster guaranteed. If I'm not mistaken, he was the first one Brad signed this off season. Brad must have really seen something to go after him first. Also, it looks like Kornet will be guaranteed also. I think we could do better, but I would like to see Kornet (7'2) learn from Porzingis (7'3) considering Porzingis is such a great three-point shooter, and Kornet used to be pretty good too. I can hear Joe now. "Korney, shadow Porzingis and do what he does on both sides of the court". Both are 28 years old, both are 240-250 pounds, and Kornet shot 35% and 36% from three on his first 2 years in the league on four attempts per game. Porzingis has shot 36% overall for his entire time in the league on good number of attempts also.

As far as the 15th spot on the roster and the 3rd 2-way spot, Brad needs to get one more big to help as insurance, but I don't think Noel is the answer. I remember reading something about Noel having trouble with his crew in the Boston area getting him in bad situations, so Danny was not going to bring him in due to that.