Fake Trade Thread #5

[JMAC3]

"What's an extra $3mil annually for this guy, another $5mil annually here for this guy? This guy is only slightly overpaid. That guy is only slightly overpaid. We can't let talent (bottom 5 starter in the league at his position) walk for nothing."

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We have to waive Batum and cut all these other guys because we're capped out and nobody wants our trash.

Yeah, to go overpay a FA to come to Charlotte in Hayward.
You overvalue cap space so much my dude.
You look at Charlotte like their money is the same as everyone else's and it isn't.
We are never signing some All-NBA outside FA.
That has to happen via trade.

You also act like I am saying overpay every single member of our team LOL. LaMelo is cheap, Mark is cheap, Miller is cheap, Bridges is cheap, Richards is cheap... "Overpaying" Rozier and PJ Washington 5 million each is not going to run this team into the ground.

[SWedd523]

I wonder if the Lakers and Clippers are in the same position we are, from a market or timeline perspective.

That was rhetorical

[SWedd523]

"Teams are definitely going to trade for overpaid role players"

"Oh ****, we have to cut/waive everybody because nobody traded for our overpaid role players"

[JMAC3]

I wonder if the Lakers and Clippers are in the same position we are, from a market or timeline perspective.

That was rhetorical

You are right, we have more picks and young assets then they do. So if anything we are in a position to beat them in trades for guys that we think can get into playoff contention for the next 24 months.

However, you are thinking to long term. Worried about paying Mark Williams three years from now and preserving our 12 million in cap space hoping we just wake up one day contenders because we signed Devin Booker in FA lol.

[luciano-davidwesley]

I wonder if the Lakers and Clippers are in the same position we are, from a market or timeline perspective.

That was rhetorical

You are right, we have more picks and young assets then they do. So if anything we are in a position to beat them in trades for guys that we think can get into playoff contention for the next 24 months.

However, you are thinking to long term. Worried about paying Mark Williams three years from now and preserving our 12 million in cap space hoping we just wake up one day contenders because we signed Devin Booker in FA lol.

Comparing the free agencies of Mark Williams and PJ Washington (at this time) is silly. Mark projects to be a much more impactful player than PJ, though things can change of course.

[JMAC3]

I wonder if the Lakers and Clippers are in the same position we are, from a market or timeline perspective.

That was rhetorical

You are right, we have more picks and young assets then they do. So if anything we are in a position to beat them in trades for guys that we think can get into playoff contention for the next 24 months.

However, you are thinking to long term. Worried about paying Mark Williams three years from now and preserving our 12 million in cap space hoping we just wake up one day contenders because we signed Devin Booker in FA lol.

Comparing the free agencies of Mark Williams and PJ Washington (at this time) is silly. Mark projects to be a much more impactful player than PJ, though things can change of course.

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Literally not even close to the point I was making bringing up Mark, my guy.

[luciano-davidwesley]

You are right, we have more picks and young assets then they do. So if anything we are in a position to beat them in trades for guys that we think can get into playoff contention for the next 24 months.

However, you are thinking to long term. Worried about paying Mark Williams three years from now and preserving our 12 million in cap space hoping we just wake up one day contenders because we signed Devin Booker in FA lol.

Comparing the free agencies of Mark Williams and PJ Washington (at this time) is silly. Mark projects to be a much more impactful player than PJ, though things can change of course.

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Literally not even close to the point I was making bringing up Mark, my guy.

You have no point because we will most likely be prepared to pay Mark a lot more than what we will PJ, much like how last year we probably would have given a max or close to it to Miles prior to the DV stuff.

Overpaying PJ does not serve us in any way regardless of how you try to sugar coat it.

[JMAC3]

Comparing the free agencies of Mark Williams and PJ Washington (at this time) is silly. Mark projects to be a much more impactful player than PJ, though things can change of course.

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Literally not even close to the point I was making bringing up Mark, my guy.

You have no point because we will most likely be prepared to pay Mark a lot more than what we will PJ, much like how last year we probably would have given a max or close to it to Miles prior to the DV stuff.

Overpaying PJ does not serve us in any way regardless of how you try to sugar coat it.

Yeah again you missed the point.
I am saying we have no free agents internally to pay other than Miles and PJ. The next guy due to get paid will be Mark 3 years from now. This sit on our hands and not pay anybody is a losing strategy.

[JMAC3]

Seems like a decent amount of people would be content to trade Rozier for a late first. Not resign PJ.

Do you really think by getting rid of that 40 million in salary we are better? Do you expect to actually expect some MAX FA to sign with us?

[luciano-davidwesley]

Seems like a decent amount of people would be content to trade Rozier for a late first. Not resign PJ.

Do you really think by getting rid of that 40 million in salary we are better? Do you expect to actually expect some MAX FA to sign with us?

We need to go the San Antonio/Presti route, bailing out other teams bad contracts for incentive.

[Rich4114]

Seems like a decent amount of people would be content to trade Rozier for a late first. Not resign PJ.

Do you really think by getting rid of that 40 million in salary we are better? Do you expect to actually expect some MAX FA to sign with us?

Not just to get rid of them. It all depends on what we'd get in return and if they fit better with the rest of the core roster. But that's the problem with a contract like Terry's. What team wants to trade something of value for a guy that is most likely a bench player making $23m who only does one thing well? I do think PJ could garner value on the trade market in the future if his cap figure is under $20m and he at least gets a little bit better though, plus he's a big and mid big's have more value than mid under-sized guards.

[JMAC3]

Seems like a decent amount of people would be content to trade Rozier for a late first. Not resign PJ.

Do you really think by getting rid of that 40 million in salary we are better? Do you expect to actually expect some MAX FA to sign with us?

We need to go the San Antonio/Presti route, bailing out other teams bad contracts for incentive.

Barf. Spurs have taken a bunch of garbage for 2nds.
The firsts they got were from trading Murray, Poeltl and Derrick White.

The did trade 3 2nds for Reggie Bullock and swap rights in 2030, but honestly the 3 2nds are probably more valuable then maybe a Dallas swap.

Presti also traded Russ, PG, Chris Paul, Steven Adams... that is how he got so many picks. The illusion is he has done it by taking on salary when that has maybe netted him 1 real first and he gave up a five time allstar and took on 60 million in dead cap to do it.

[Snidely FC]

Seems like a decent amount of people would be content to trade Rozier for a late first. Not resign PJ.

I want the team to sign PJ. I would pay him and I would start him.

My concern with Rozier is that he should be this team's sixth man, not the starting SG. My concern is that starting Rozier at SG and playing him starters minutes has a cascading effect on the roster.

You start Rozier at SG, and that pushes Miller to SF, where you take away his size advantage, moves Bridges to PF, and moves PJ to the bench.

If it were up to me (it's not) I would start LaMelo, Brandon, Miles, PJ, Mark.

Clifford won't.

He'll start Rozier, and play him 32+ mpg. Because that's the best chance for the team to "make the playoffs" (does the Play-In Game count?)

Anyway, in a sixth man role, I think Terry is underrated and valuable. As a sixth man I think he could be terrific. Playing starters minutes at SG, I think he's a roster problem.

Last year the team had to trade Plumlee to open the door for Mark Williams. I think that, if the team wants Brandon Miller to thrive, a trade is what is going to have to happen with Rozier

I don't think it's a Rozier problem, I think it's a Coaching problem

Rozier to SAS for Doug McDermott + Reggie Bullock, two vets who can schwack 3s without demanding high usage

[HornetJail]

I also want Rozier coming off the bench, but when he does it needs to be alongside another PG.

When the team is all there, I start LaMelo/Hayward/Bridges/PJ/Mark (doesn't really matter which of Hayward/Bridges is the SG/SF) for the maximum blend of size and skill in the starting five. Bench unit contains Terry, Miller, and likely one of the forwards splits time between the starting/bench units. If Miller can win the starting job over Hayward or PJ, then great.

[Rich4114]

Seems like a decent amount of people would be content to trade Rozier for a late first. Not resign PJ.

I want the team to sign PJ. I would pay him and I would start him.

My concern with Rozier is that he should be this team's sixth man, not the starting SG. My concern is that starting Rozier at SG and playing him starters minutes has a cascading effect on the roster.

You start Rozier at SG, and that pushes Miller to SF, where you take away his size advantage, moves Bridges to PF, and moves PJ to the bench.

If it were up to me (it's not) I would start LaMelo, Brandon, Miles, PJ, Mark.

Clifford won't.

He'll start Rozier, and play him 32+ mpg. Because that's the best chance for the team to "make the playoffs" (does the Play-In Game count?)

Anyway, in a sixth man role, I think Terry is underrated and valuable. As a sixth man I think he could be terrific. Playing starters minutes at SG, I think he's a roster problem.

Last year the team had to trade Plumlee to open the door for Mark Williams. I think that, if the team wants Brandon Miller to thrive, a trade is what is going to have to happen with Rozier

I don't think it's a Rozier problem, I think it's a Coaching problem

Rozier to SAS for Doug McDermott + Reggie Bullock, two vets who can schwack 3s without demanding high usage

This is exactly what I've been saying for a while now. Rozier would fit so well as a mid-usage 6th man in the way we've been using Kelly off the bench. It would also open up opportunities for a better combination of players in rotations on both ends of the floor. It won't happen (due to coaching and the GM) but it's what I believe strongly would position this roster to win more. I'm not sure you'd start Miller over Hayward right now, but Hayward and Terry off the bench means you can surround them with the prospects and have a better balance of experience + youth/athleticism.

[Liver_Pooty]

Rockets want to move Kevin Porter Jr and give draft compensation to get a win now player. Wonder if they would be interested in Hayward, and what the draft compensation would be? Obviously we would cut Porter immediately.

[HornetJail]

Rockets want to move Kevin Porter Jr and give draft compensation to get a win now player. Wonder if they would be interested in Hayward, and what the draft compensation would be? Obviously we would cut Porter immediately.

already looked into this as Hayward makes a ton of sense there, but salary matching is damn near impossible right now unless they're giving up one of their recent draft choices (which they're not). Gotta wait till someone like Landale or Jeff Green is trade eligible, and I don't think the Rockets are waiting that long.

If they want a replacement for the scoring [and ball-handling with subpar facilitation] that KPJ provided them, Terry is a natural fit.

They'd have to throw in Tate for salary matching but he also expires so that's not a problem. I'd need a 1st though... they own 1sts from BRK and distant ones of their own (2028 or later). I'd be pretty happy to get BRK's 1st this year, and would easily give some value on top to make it happen. Don't know that Houston goes for it though.

[LofJ]

Trading Rozier for KPJ and a first would be a coup for us, but we won't do it. We'd get stuck on losing a rotation player and say no. If Bouknight wasn't a bust it would be an obvious trade, even for us, but unfortunately that is not the case.

[JDR720]

No way the team is going to trade for him after the Miles situation. Even if we do cut him.

[SWedd523]

No way the team is going to trade for him after the Miles situation. Even if we do cut him.

Yep. Wild to even entertain the idea