We love Franz but are we underrating him still?

Hoopslife · Post #61 » by **Hoopslife** » Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:12 pm

tooler wrote:I’ll say it again - I’m betting Paolo takes a step back before he takes a leap forward. The only hope is he already went through some of that in his rookie season.

I don't see a step back coming. He was guarded by the DPOY everyday in practice for the last month. When he looks across and sees the Tobias Harris, Jalen Smith, Obi Toppins of the world trying to guard him his confidence will be sky high.

Also, pretty much all 20 ppg rookies have drastic jumps in their shooting percentages in year 2 (fg% and 3fg%).

KillMonger · Post #62 » by **KillMonger** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 4:19 am

RookieStar wrote:
tooler wrote:I’ll say it again - I’m betting Paolo takes a step back before he takes a leap forward. The only hope is he already went through some of that in his rookie season.

He already took a step back....we all saw it in the world cup. Now it's time for him to move forward.lol

Not a step back, just a side step.... Learning how to put ego to the side and play your role.... For someone this young it's a valuable learning experience

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davey_wavy · Post #63 » by **davey_wavy** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:32 am

For Paolo this year, it’s not taking a step back. It’s taking the backseat to Franz

If You think Paolo’s confidence will be up after playing with the guys on USA wait until you see Franz after winning FIBA.

A star is born this year

MasterGMer · Post #64 » by **MasterGMer** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 12:39 pm

Paolo had a great summer which helped his confidence. I think he is going to increase his FG% and become more efficient. Not necessarily the same offensive volume he had during his rookie season. But I think he will improve.

But yes, we are underrating Franz a lot. From the time he was selected, he was underrated. Dude is going to be a star this year for us. I really hope he makes the All Star team

ogmagicfan · Post #65 » by **ogmagicfan** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 5:34 pm

Expecting Paolo to take a step back is a pretty ridiculous expectation.

It's far more likely his efficiency & volume both go up, than the other way around.

There is no scenario where the volume for Paolo offensively goes down next season. None. You would think we have a super deep offensive team with that assumption

tiderulz · Post #66 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 6:53 pm

MasterGMer wrote:Paolo had a great summer which helped his confidence. I think he is going to increase his FG% and become more efficient. Not necessarily the same offensive volume he had during his rookie season. But I think he will improve.

But yes, we are underrating Franz a lot. From the time he was selected, he was underrated. Dude is going to be a star this year for us. I really hope he makes the All Star team

how did he have a "great summer"? he practiced with some good players, but he could have done that anywhere.

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #67 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:13 pm

tiderulz wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:Paolo had a great summer which helped his confidence. I think he is going to increase his FG% and become more efficient. Not necessarily the same offensive volume he had during his rookie season. But I think he will improve.

But yes, we are underrating Franz a lot. From the time he was selected, he was underrated. Dude is going to be a star this year for us. I really hope he makes the All Star team

how did he have a "great summer"? he practiced with some good players, but he could have done that anywhere.

He learned how to defend and set better screens. That alone should help him. Also he played with and against some of the best players at a high level.

basketballRob · Post #68 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:34 pm

Paolo had a lot of good coaches and practiced against really good players. I'm sure he'll be a better player this season.

I'd like to see him get 5+ apg.

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Post #69 » by **SOUL** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:58 pm

tiderulz wrote:how did he have a "great summer"? he practiced with some good players, but he could have done that anywhere.

He could have practiced any time with a collection of all top 30-40-50 players?

KillMonger · Post #70 » by **KillMonger** » Thu Sep 14, 2023 2:25 am

SOUL wrote:
tiderulz wrote:how did he have a "great summer"? he practiced with some good players, but he could have done that anywhere.

He could have practiced any time with a collection of all top 30-40-50 players?

Yeah I read that and I was like...."you serious?" iron sharpens iron, great comp will always help.

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p0peye · Post #71 » by **p0peye** » Thu Sep 14, 2023 7:57 pm

Franz and Paolo are great, but I am not sure about the fit, Fultz needs better shooters.

RookieStar · Post #72 » by **RookieStar** » Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:34 pm

p0peye wrote:Franz and Paolo are great, but I am not sure about the fit, Fultz needs better shooters.

Watching the GER team go undefeated for the Gold, if we can replicate that, we need a 3pt threat in the 2 guard and Fultz better be throwing lobs to WCJ all the time.

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #73 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:54 pm

RookieStar wrote:
p0peye wrote:Franz and Paolo are great, but I am not sure about the fit, Fultz needs better shooters.

Watching the GER team go undefeated for the Gold, if we can replicate that, we need a 3pt threat in the 2 guard and Fultz better be throwing lobs to WCJ all the time.

The FIBA and NBA games are not the same. Although having 3 point shooting threats would be great for this squad.

rusoopE · Post #74 » by **rusoopE** » Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:22 am

Man what I think about Franz is he gonna be an S tier 2nd man on a championship team. And Im not sure about Paolo being an S tier first option (not saying he ain't capable of). But if you ask me who do I want, someone like Carmelo Anthony (just an example of a great scorer and B tier 1st option guy imho) or someone like Manu (A tier second option), gimme Manu every single day. Franz won't ever be a 1st option guy but what he shown already as a co-star it's insane! (Even tho I don't wanna watch him playing sg no more, don't be stupid like we were forcing AG to be Paul George). I love Paolo as well and wanna build around those 2 young fellas. But I see more potential in Franz in a role that fits his strengths. Despite how great Paolo was last year. Having just one of the two would be cool enough but having both feels like heaven.
The FO knows the duo is the future of the team, we can be sure about that. I hope they can surround em with players that fit and help the development of both guys.

msmoore66 · Post #75 » by **msmoore66** » Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:11 am

What are we expecting numbers wise from Franz this year? I have him in my two Fantasy NBA teams, both dynasty (5 keeper in one, 6 keeper in the other) also have Paolo in the 5 keeper one so considering moving Franz as he is a pretty popular in that league.

drsd · Post #76 » by **drsd** » Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:57 pm

msmoore66 wrote:What are we expecting numbers wise from Franz this year? I have him in my two Fantasy NBA teams, both dynasty (5 keeper in one, 6 keeper in the other) also have Paolo in the 5 keeper one so considering moving Franz as he is a pretty popular in that league.

Frankly I think he will have a very similar stat line as last year. Even marginal improvements will probably take him below 20 ppg, as other players will be high usage.

I will go with 19/4/5; but with improving defensive numbers to boot.

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Post #77 » by **eyriq** » Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:08 pm

Looking at NBA 2K 24, they have him ranked 7th amongst his draft class with an overall rating of 82. Best in class is Mobley at 85. Cade comes in 2nd at 84, and then Green, Barnes, Giddey, and Sengun come in just ahead of Franz at 83. Not digging it.

msmoore66 · Post #78 » by **msmoore66** » Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:37 pm

drsd wrote:
msmoore66 wrote:What are we expecting numbers wise from Franz this year? I have him in my two Fantasy NBA teams, both dynasty (5 keeper in one, 6 keeper in the other) also have Paolo in the 5 keeper one so considering moving Franz as he is a pretty popular in that league.

Frankly I think he will have a very similar stat line as last year. Even marginal improvements will probably take him below 20 ppg, as other players will be high usage.

I will go with 19/4/5; but with improving defensive numbers to boot.

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Yeah he will be one of those fantasy players that doesn't hurt your team. But not a cornerstone.
I should mention these are H2h 9 cat leagues. So Jack of All trades doesn't always carry much value.

G-Heel · Post #79 » by **G-Heel** » Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:49 pm

eyriq wrote:Looking at NBA 2K 24, they have him ranked 7th amongst his draft class with an overall rating of 82. Best in class is Mobley at 85. Cade comes in 2nd at 84, and then Green, Barnes, Giddey, and Sengun come in just ahead of Franz at 83. Not digging it.

That's disrespectful. Franz had arguably the best season out of all the 2nd year players. Plus just helped Germany win gold.

JF5 · Post #80 » by **JF5** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 11:33 pm

Hoopslife wrote:
tooler wrote:I’ll say it again - I’m betting Paolo takes a step back before he takes a leap forward. The only hope is he already went through some of that in his rookie season.

I don't see a step back coming. He was guarded by the DPOY everyday in practice for the last month. When he looks across and sees the Tobias Harris, Jalen Smith, Obi Toppins of the world trying to guard him his confidence will be sky high.

Also, pretty much all 20 ppg rookies have drastic jumps in their shooting percentages in year 2 (fg% and 3fg%).

I'm with tooler here... I see Paolo probably having the same season offensively. But he'll be a much better all around player and a better shooter.

You won't see a drastic jump until year 3 imo. Maybe he'll surprise me.