Trade Talk (Part Thirteen): 2023 Offseason Edition

[TimberKat]

I think we’re talking about the wrong Pacer guard. I think signing Bruce Brown, and using their #26 pick on SG Ben Sheppard may cut down on some of their extra guard minutes. They already have Halliburton, Mathurin and Hield. Does TJ McConnell fall out of the rotation? Who does Nembhard bump for minutes?

I think if we’re worrying about Mike Conley’s health after December 15th when our free agent signings become trade eligible, Indiana might make a good place to look for a trade partner.

Minimus had us trading KAT for Nembhard and garbage. I'm OK with giving up a 2nd round pick and one of our bench guards.

Salary matching maybe difficult. Hield looks like a release and sign for Lakers with his 19mil salary. TJ at 9mil may require KA as part of the trade.

[shrink]

I think we’re talking about the wrong Pacer guard. I think signing Bruce Brown, and using their #26 pick on SG Ben Sheppard may cut down on some of their extra guard minutes. They already have Halliburton, Mathurin and Hield. Does TJ McConnell fall out of the rotation? Who does Nembhard bump for minutes?

I think if we’re worrying about Mike Conley’s health after December 15th when our free agent signings become trade eligible, Indiana might make a good place to look for a trade partner.

Minimus had us trading KAT for Nembhard and garbage. I'm OK with giving up a 2nd round pick and one of our bench guards.

Salary matching maybe difficult. Hield looks like a release and sign for Lakers with his 19mil salary. TJ at 9mil may require KA as part of the trade.

You’re right. By December 15th, Milton, Brown and NAW will become trade eligible. One, maybe two, of these players will be squeezed out of our rotation, but they are good enough to be in some other teams’ rotations (all started games in the past). I’d be reluctant to do any deal including Kyle Anderson, since he fits so well with the team and is the rare player that already knows how to feed Gobert, and he can act as a PG.

I agree, salary matching always looks difficult, particularly at this time of the year when everyone is healthy and holes in the roster aren’t glaring, but I’m keeping an eye on Indiana as a trade partner, a few months down the road.

[KGdaBom]

I think we’re talking about the wrong Pacer guard. I think signing Bruce Brown, and using their #26 pick on SG Ben Sheppard may cut down on some of their extra guard minutes. They already have Halliburton, Mathurin and Hield. Does TJ McConnell fall out of the rotation? Who does Nembhard bump for minutes?

I think if we’re worrying about Mike Conley’s health after December 15th when our free agent signings become trade eligible, Indiana might make a good place to look for a trade partner.

Minimus had us trading KAT for Nembhard and garbage. I'm OK with giving up a 2nd round pick and one of our bench guards.

Salary matching maybe difficult. Hield looks like a release and sign for Lakers with his 19mil salary. TJ at 9mil may require KA as part of the trade.

I'm more interested in Nembhard.

[TimberKat]

Minimus had us trading KAT for Nembhard and garbage. I'm OK with giving up a 2nd round pick and one of our bench guards.

Salary matching maybe difficult. Hield looks like a release and sign for Lakers with his 19mil salary. TJ at 9mil may require KA as part of the trade.

I'm more interested in Nembhard.

Can we get him with a couple future second? How about Leonard Miller for Nembhard?

[minimus]

https://x.com/the_bball_index/status/1700932148201427105?

[frankenwolf]

https://x.com/the_bball_index/status/1700932148201427105?

What would this team look like if the Timberwolves hadn't let Tyus walk?

[KGdaBom]

https://x.com/the_bball_index/status/1700932148201427105?

What would this team look like if the Timberwolves hadn't let Tyus walk?

I'm a big believer in "The Butterfly Effect" Change one thing it changes another and it changes another. We might only have two of the players we have now. We might even have none of them. Finch might not be the coach Connelly might not be the GM.

[frankenwolf]

https://x.com/the_bball_index/status/1700932148201427105?

What would this team look like if the Timberwolves hadn't let Tyus walk?

I'm a big believer in "The Butterfly Effect" Change one thing it changes another and it changes another. We might only have two of the players we have now. We might even have none of them. Finch might not be the coach Connelly might not be the GM.

Oh, sure, things would not be the same if past things were different. But, it would still be a good thought exercise if we hadn't let Tyus walk. What would be different??

[shrink]

What would this team look like if the Timberwolves hadn't let Tyus walk?

I'm a big believer in "The Butterfly Effect" Change one thing it changes another and it changes another. We might only have two of the players we have now. We might even have none of them. Finch might not be the coach Connelly might not be the GM.

Oh, sure, things would not be the same if past things were different. But, it would still be a good thought exercise if we hadn't let Tyus walk. What would be different??

Well, I can start you off.

The 2019 Off-Season was the Gersson Rosas rebuild after the Thibs years. Out went vets Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson, Luol Deng, Tolliver and Bayless, and to his credit, aside from Tolliver, he picked up Jaylen Nowell in the second round, and of course, Naz Reid undrafted. As I recall, Rosas made a token offer for Tyus of like $3 mil a year, and Memphis swept in and offered $26.4 mil over three years. Rosas was cutting salary, but he didn’t use that extra free agent space, with notable signings of Jordan Bell, Jake Layman, Shabazz Napier and Noah Vonleh. If Tyus shot would have improved if he stayed in MIN, he’d have been a clear upgrade.

You guys can carry on with MIN’s future, but I would point out that MEM would likely be a lot less respected. Tyus was terrific for them, and won plenty of games when Ja missed timed. Without him, the Grizzlies would have been unlikely to win enough games to become media darlings, and ESPN wouldn’t have been pushing Ja Morant as the NBA’s next big thing.

[KGdaBom]

I'm a big believer in "The Butterfly Effect" Change one thing it changes another and it changes another. We might only have two of the players we have now. We might even have none of them. Finch might not be the coach Connelly might not be the GM.

Oh, sure, things would not be the same if past things were different. But, it would still be a good thought exercise if we hadn't let Tyus walk. What would be different??

Well, I can start you off.

The 2019 Off-Season was the Gersson Rosas rebuild after the Thibs years. Out went vets Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson, Luol Deng, Tolliver and Bayless, and to his credit, aside from Tolliver, he picked up Jaylen Nowell in the second round, and of course, Naz Reid undrafted. As I recall, Rosas made a token offer for Tyus of like $3 mil a year, and Memphis swept in and offered $26.4 mil over three years. Rosas was cutting salary, but he didn’t use that extra free agent space, with notable signings of Jordan Bell, Jake Layman, Shabazz Napier and Noah Vonleh. If Tyus shot would have improved if he stayed in MIN, he’d have been a clear upgrade.

You guys can carry on with MIN’s future, but I would point out that MEM would likely be a lot less respected. Tyus was terrific for them, and won plenty of games when Ja missed timed. Without him, the Grizzlies would have been unlikely to win enough games to become media darlings, and ESPN wouldn’t have been pushing Ja Morant as the NBA’s next big thing.

My point is virtually everything would have been different and trying to guess what gets into trillions or more of possibilities.

[minimus]

POR IN: Towns, Robinson
POR OUT: Dame

Why for POR: speed up rebuild around Towns+Henderson

MIA IN: Dame, McLaughlin, Moore
MIA OUT: Lowry, Robinson, Jovic, Jaquez, 2027 FRP, 2029 FRP

Why for MIA: get Dame, get rid of Robinson contract

MIN IN: Jovic, Jaquez, Lowry, 2027 FRP, 2029 FRP
MIN OUT: Towns, McLaughlin, Moore

Why for MIN: Jovic has had a great FIBA WC run, Jaquez looked great in SL league, I like his game he has high IQ, good shooting, hustle. Our rotation will be deep.

Gobert/Reid + Garza
Anderson/Jovic/Jaquez + Miller
McDaniels/Jaquez/Minott
Edwards/NAW/Brown
Conley/Lowry/Milton

[KGdaBom]

POR IN: Towns, Robinson
POR OUT: Dame

Why for POR: speed up rebuild around Towns+Henderson

MIA IN: Dame, McLaughlin, Moore
MIA OUT: Lowry, Robinson, Jovic, Jaquez, 2027 FRP, 2029 FRP

Why for POR: get Dame, get rid of Robinson contract

MIN IN: Jovic, Jaquez, Lowry, 2027 FRP, 2029 FRP
MIN OUT: Towns, McLaughlin, Moore

Why for MIN: Jovic has had a great FIBA WC run, Jaquez looked great in SL league, I like his game he has high IQ, good shooting, hustle. Our rotation will be deep.

Gobert/Reid + Garza
Anderson/Jovic/Jaquez + Miller
McDaniels/Jaquez/Minott
Edwards/NAW/Brown
Conley/Lowry/Milton

Minimus WHY WHY WHY do you continue to propose trading KAT for garbage???????? I really don't get it. Nembhard now this?

[TimberKat]

POR IN: Towns, Robinson
POR OUT: Dame

Why for POR: speed up rebuild around Towns+Henderson

MIA IN: Dame, McLaughlin, Moore
MIA OUT: Lowry, Robinson, Jovic, Jaquez, 2027 FRP, 2029 FRP

Why for POR: get Dame, get rid of Robinson contract

MIN IN: Jovic, Jaquez, Lowry, 2027 FRP, 2029 FRP
MIN OUT: Towns, McLaughlin, Moore

Why for MIN: Jovic has had a great FIBA WC run, Jaquez looked great in SL league, I like his game he has high IQ, good shooting, hustle. Our rotation will be deep.

Gobert/Reid + Garza
Anderson/Jovic/Jaquez + Miller
McDaniels/Jaquez/Minott
Edwards/NAW/Brown
Conley/Lowry/Milton

Minimus WHY WHY WHY do you continue to propose trading KAT for garbage???????? I really don't get it. Nembhard now this?

I see some parallel between Towns and Cousins. Both aren't super star but are paid at the highest of level. I would prefer we drop Cousins and use the money elsewhere and get some draft picks. However, NBA is different in that: 1. Cap are soft cap and have work arounds (so cap reason for trade is not valid in my opinion), 2. A single player has greater impact on a team so every little incremental is worth more money, 3. 1st round picks in NFL are worth more. A later 1st round guy could be all star at TD, Safety, etc. Late first round NBA players almost never make impacts. Therefore, unless it's a fairly obvious upgrade (or equal value) like Lillard or Heli, it's not worth trading Towns for potential or picks.

[KGdaBom]

POR IN: Towns, Robinson
POR OUT: Dame

Why for POR: speed up rebuild around Towns+Henderson

MIA IN: Dame, McLaughlin, Moore
MIA OUT: Lowry, Robinson, Jovic, Jaquez, 2027 FRP, 2029 FRP

Why for POR: get Dame, get rid of Robinson contract

MIN IN: Jovic, Jaquez, Lowry, 2027 FRP, 2029 FRP
MIN OUT: Towns, McLaughlin, Moore

Why for MIN: Jovic has had a great FIBA WC run, Jaquez looked great in SL league, I like his game he has high IQ, good shooting, hustle. Our rotation will be deep.

Gobert/Reid + Garza
Anderson/Jovic/Jaquez + Miller
McDaniels/Jaquez/Minott
Edwards/NAW/Brown
Conley/Lowry/Milton

Minimus WHY WHY WHY do you continue to propose trading KAT for garbage???????? I really don't get it. Nembhard now this?

I see some parallel between Towns and Cousins. Both aren't super star but are paid at the highest of level. I would prefer we drop Cousins and use the money elsewhere and get some draft picks. However, NBA is different in that: 1. Cap are soft cap and have work arounds (so cap reason for trade is not valid in my opinion), 2. A single player has greater impact on a team so every little incremental is worth more money, 3. 1st round picks in NFL are worth more. A later 1st round guy could be all star at TD, Safety, etc. Late first round NBA players almost never make impacts. Therefore, unless it's a fairly obvious upgrade (or equal value) like Lillard or Heli, it's not worth trading Towns for potential or picks.

Cousins being paid like a superstar is a MYTH. He is the 14th highest paid QB which makes his contract average. His play last night was superstar level though. 364 yards and 4 TDs. Yes he had a fumble, but no interceptions. He absolutely shredded the very good Eagles Defense.

[TimberKat]

Minimus WHY WHY WHY do you continue to propose trading KAT for garbage???????? I really don't get it. Nembhard now this?

I see some parallel between Towns and Cousins. Both aren't super star but are paid at the highest of level. I would prefer we drop Cousins and use the money elsewhere and get some draft picks. However, NBA is different in that: 1. Cap are soft cap and have work arounds (so cap reason for trade is not valid in my opinion), 2. A single player has greater impact on a team so every little incremental is worth more money, 3. 1st round picks in NFL are worth more. A later 1st round guy could be all star at TD, Safety, etc. Late first round NBA players almost never make impacts. Therefore, unless it's a fairly obvious upgrade (or equal value) like Lillard or Heli, it's not worth trading Towns for potential or picks.

Cousins being paid like a superstar is a MYTH. He is the 14th highest paid QB which makes his contract average. His play last night was superstar level though. 364 yards and 4 TDs. Yes he had a fumble, but no interceptions. He absolutely shredded the very good Eagles Defense.

Good point and right for this year. The last couple years, Cousins was #2 and #3 on cap hit his paid is about the same

[shrink]

I see some parallel between Towns and Cousins. Both aren't super star but are paid at the highest of level. I would prefer we drop Cousins and use the money elsewhere and get some draft picks. However, NBA is different in that: 1. Cap are soft cap and have work arounds (so cap reason for trade is not valid in my opinion), 2. A single player has greater impact on a team so every little incremental is worth more money, 3. 1st round picks in NFL are worth more. A later 1st round guy could be all star at TD, Safety, etc. Late first round NBA players almost never make impacts. Therefore, unless it's a fairly obvious upgrade (or equal value) like Lillard or Heli, it's not worth trading Towns for potential or picks.

It might amuse people that until #3, I was very confused and had “Boogie” Cousins stuck in my head!

[TimberKat]

I see some parallel between Towns and Cousins. Both aren't super star but are paid at the highest of level. I would prefer we drop Cousins and use the money elsewhere and get some draft picks. However, NBA is different in that: 1. Cap are soft cap and have work arounds (so cap reason for trade is not valid in my opinion), 2. A single player has greater impact on a team so every little incremental is worth more money, 3. 1st round picks in NFL are worth more. A later 1st round guy could be all star at TD, Safety, etc. Late first round NBA players almost never make impacts. Therefore, unless it's a fairly obvious upgrade (or equal value) like Lillard or Heli, it's not worth trading Towns for potential or picks.

It might amuse people that until #3, I was very confused and had “Boogie” Cousins stuck in my head!

In that case, they both are bigs that complains too much and foul too much. Both could had been a much better play with inner peace

[KGdaBom]

I see some parallel between Towns and Cousins. Both aren't super star but are paid at the highest of level. I would prefer we drop Cousins and use the money elsewhere and get some draft picks. However, NBA is different in that: 1. Cap are soft cap and have work arounds (so cap reason for trade is not valid in my opinion), 2. A single player has greater impact on a team so every little incremental is worth more money, 3. 1st round picks in NFL are worth more. A later 1st round guy could be all star at TD, Safety, etc. Late first round NBA players almost never make impacts. Therefore, unless it's a fairly obvious upgrade (or equal value) like Lillard or Heli, it's not worth trading Towns for potential or picks.

It might amuse people that until #3, I was very confused and had “Boogie” Cousins stuck in my head!

I had that same confusion, but my confusion was fixed when he said Drop Cousins. Since we don't have Boogie I thought he must be mixing football with basketball.

[minimus]

Minimus WHY WHY WHY do you continue to propose trading KAT for garbage???????? I really don't get it. Nembhard now this?

Yeah, just ignore my trade proposals. I am anxious from time to time and ESPN trading machine is free.

[KGdaBom]

Minimus WHY WHY WHY do you continue to propose trading KAT for garbage???????? I really don't get it. Nembhard now this?

Yeah, just ignore my trade proposals. I am anxious from time to time and ESPN trading machine is free.

Will do.