Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

Dogen · Post #1761 » by **Dogen** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:07 pm

GoGreen wrote:Sac fans seem to like this Queta guy, but sounds like he's a foul machine. Watching his highlights he sure has some serious potential. Hoping to see him develop!

I hope he gets a chance to machinate some fouls on Embiid.

akidlittle · Post #1762 » by **akidlittle** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:34 pm

Tonight I had a nightmare that we traded JT and JB for Paul George, 2 picks and a bunch of scrubs lol. One of the worst nightmares I recently had))

Hal14 · Post #1763 » by **Hal14** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:37 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
Cricket23 wrote:I know a lot of people want to hold on to Brogdon, and I get it but I'm not one of them. In another thread I mentioned the possibility of getting in on the KPJ dump.

Maybe something like this

Brogdon to Houston

T. Jones and J. Tate to Boston

KPJ and draft compensation to Washington

Boston gets a true PG with less health concerns and a veteran wing defender. They could release Blanton and save the 15th spot for a big.

I don't think I can come up with a good reason for Houston to do this. They have a veteran lead guard they just signed for big money, a top 3 pick guard they are developing, a guard defender they signed for big money, and a 4th overall pick guard they want to develop. If you were to ask me what teams are least likely to want to trade for Brogdon, Boston would be 1st then Houston. You have them giving up Tate and draft picks for Brogdon.
This trade isn't good for Washington either but it's kind of indefensible from Houston's perspective.

And from our perspective, it's not horrible. But if we're just looking at our postseason rotation, Tate is likely not in it. Which means you're essentially just flipping Brogdon for Tyus Jones - and I'm not convinced that Tyus coming off the bench for us instead of Brogdon gets us closer to Banner 18. It's a lateral move at best.

Cricket23 · Post #1764 » by **Cricket23** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:43 pm

Hal14 wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
Cricket23 wrote:I know a lot of people want to hold on to Brogdon, and I get it but I'm not one of them. In another thread I mentioned the possibility of getting in on the KPJ dump.

Maybe something like this

Brogdon to Houston

T. Jones and J. Tate to Boston

KPJ and draft compensation to Washington

Boston gets a true PG with less health concerns and a veteran wing defender. They could release Blanton and save the 15th spot for a big.

I don't think I can come up with a good reason for Houston to do this. They have a veteran lead guard they just signed for big money, a top 3 pick guard they are developing, a guard defender they signed for big money, and a 4th overall pick guard they want to develop. If you were to ask me what teams are least likely to want to trade for Brogdon, Boston would be 1st then Houston. You have them giving up Tate and draft picks for Brogdon.
This trade isn't good for Washington either but it's kind of indefensible from Houston's perspective.

And from our perspective, it's not horrible. But if we're just looking at our postseason rotation, Tate is likely not in it. Which means you're essentially just flipping Brogdon for Tyus Jones - and I'm not convinced that Tyus coming off the bench for us instead of Brogdon gets us closer to Banner 18. It's a lateral move at best.

Yea it's hard to know and I can see both sides. Brogdon is probably the better player but straight up I'd rather have Jones. I think he provides more of what they need and he has a higher likelihood of staying on the court.

Hal14 · Post #1765 » by **Hal14** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:48 pm

Cricket23 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:I don't think I can come up with a good reason for Houston to do this. They have a veteran lead guard they just signed for big money, a top 3 pick guard they are developing, a guard defender they signed for big money, and a 4th overall pick guard they want to develop. If you were to ask me what teams are least likely to want to trade for Brogdon, Boston would be 1st then Houston. You have them giving up Tate and draft picks for Brogdon.
This trade isn't good for Washington either but it's kind of indefensible from Houston's perspective.

And from our perspective, it's not horrible. But if we're just looking at our postseason rotation, Tate is likely not in it. Which means you're essentially just flipping Brogdon for Tyus Jones - and I'm not convinced that Tyus coming off the bench for us instead of Brogdon gets us closer to Banner 18. It's a lateral move at best.

Yea it's hard to know and I can see both sides. Brogdon is probably the better player but straight up I'd rather have Jones. I think he provides more of what they need and he has a higher likelihood of staying on the court.

Possibly. You could certainly argue that with Tatum/Brown/KP, we need Tyus' playmaking more than Brogdon's scoring.

Tyus is also 3 yrs younger and on a cheaper contract..

Hal14 · Post #1766 » by **Hal14** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:08 pm

Not gonna lie, Rudy looks like he might have 1 more season in him. This was posted 2 days ago:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxMcn6sIy0l/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

For this last roster spot, I feel like we could use another vet. Right now we only have 1 guy over the age of 30 on the team - championship teams usually have more than that. We have too much youth and inexperience. Rudy has been there, done that. He's seen it all. Will bring a level of maturity, experience, professionalism and leadership.

He would mostly just be like a Udonis Haslem type of guy at the end of the bench, but i think he could still be a reg season minutes eater, if we're in a pinch.

Plus, a guy like Rudy is a professional and has been around long enough to be realistic and know that he's not gonna get a lot of mins on a team like this. So he'll be ok with a reduced role - whereas someone like Lamar Stevens or some of these other free agents who are still out there - they're gonna want to go where they can get more playing time.

BK_2020 · Post #1767 » by **BK_2020** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:20 pm

15th spot should be for a guy who can dunk really well for garbage time fireworks.

Hal14 · Post #1768 » by **Hal14** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:45 pm

GoGreen wrote:Sac fans seem to like this Queta guy, but sounds like he's a foul machine. Watching his highlights he sure has some serious potential. Hoping to see him develop!

Looking at the stats, there seems to be some truth to that.

Ideally, you're under 4 fouls per 36 minutes. Over 4 isn't good and over 5 is definitely bad. Here's Queta's fouls per 36 numbers:

This year Summer League (only 4 games so doesn't carry a ton of weight) = 5.9. fouls per 36 mins
His NBA career so far (only 20 games and only 7.4 MPG so also don't carry a ton of weight) = 6.1 fouls per 36 mins
22-23 season in the g league (43 games and 29 MPG so more accurate sample size but against competition that's easier than NBA) = 4.1 fouls per 36 mins

So yeah, I'd say it is probably an issue for him. Hopefully he can improve in this area. He is trying to beat out Kornet for minutes. Kornet last season was 3.6 fouls per 36 mins. Year before that (only a 15 game sample) he was at 3.1 and for his career he's at 2.9 so it's certainly less of an issue for Kornet..

playa-hater · Post #1769 » by **playa-hater** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:06 pm

Dogen wrote:
GoGreen wrote:Sac fans seem to like this Queta guy, but sounds like he's a foul machine. Watching his highlights he sure has some serious potential. Hoping to see him develop!

I hope he gets a chance to machinate some fouls on Embiid.

the last "foul machine" we had just won a gold medal... So.. there's that :nod:

Hal14 · Post #1770 » by **Hal14** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:11 am

Not gonna lie, with Queta signed I don't think we necessarily *need* the 15th roster spot to be a big.

KP, Rob, Al.

Kornet as the 4th big and Queta as the 5th big.

I think that's fine. I mean, if we grab another big like Griffin, Biyombo or Gabriel for that last spot, I won't lose any sleep. But I think those 5 guys is enough at center.

Queta was a guy who had recently been waived and then we scooped him up. Perhaps that is what Brad will do for the 15th roster spot too. Perhaps he will wait and see who gets waived between now and camp (or during camp) and then sign 1 of those guys.

Fencer reregistered · Post #1771 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:17 am

Hal14 wrote:Not gonna lie, with Queta signed I don't think we necessarily *need* the 15th roster spot to be a big.

KP, Rob, Al.

Kornet as the 4th big and Queta as the 5th big.

I think that's fine. I mean, if we grab another big like Griffin, Biyombo or Gabriel for that last spot, I won't lose any sleep. But I think those 5 guys is enough at center.

Queta was a guy who had recently been waived and then we scooped him up. Perhaps that is what Brad will do for the 15th roster spot too. Perhaps he will wait and see who gets waived between now and camp (or during camp) and then sign 1 of those guys.

We have plenty of depth for single-big lineups.

Double-big, however, works better when all 3 of our really good bigs are available.

31to6 · Post #1772 » by **31to6** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:25 pm

Hal14 wrote:Not gonna lie, Rudy looks like he might have 1 more season in him. This was posted 2 days ago:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxMcn6sIy0l/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

For this last roster spot, I feel like we could use another vet. Right now we only have 1 guy over the age of 30 on the team - championship teams usually have more than that. We have too much youth and inexperience. Rudy has been there, done that. He's seen it all. Will bring a level of maturity, experience, professionalism and leadership.

He would mostly just be like a Udonis Haslem type of guy at the end of the bench, but i think he could still be a reg season minutes eater, if we're in a pinch.

Plus, a guy like Rudy is a professional and has been around long enough to be realistic and know that he's not gonna get a lot of mins on a team like this. So he'll be ok with a reduced role - whereas someone like Lamar Stevens or some of these other free agents who are still out there - they're gonna want to go where they can get more playing time.

oh heaven help me I'm going to miss posting this when he's finally out of the league for good -- but I trust I've got a few more times left:

Watch on YouTube

I love a lot of the internet. But I just might love this the most. From "DeFEnSE" to "NOT THIS GUY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU **** ****" just gets me every time. It just sounds like this fan completely disintegrates in the stands.

Dogen · Post #1773 » by **Dogen** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:06 pm

playa-hater wrote:
Dogen wrote:
GoGreen wrote:Sac fans seem to like this Queta guy, but sounds like he's a foul machine. Watching his highlights he sure has some serious potential. Hoping to see him develop!

I hope he gets a chance to machinate some fouls on Embiid.

the last "foul machine" we had just won a gold medal... So.. there's that

...if the NBA refs are less biased towards Portugal than they apparently are to Germany! :roll:

Dogen · Post #1774 » by **Dogen** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:11 pm

31to6 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Not gonna lie, Rudy looks like he might have 1 more season in him. This was posted 2 days ago:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxMcn6sIy0l/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

For this last roster spot, I feel like we could use another vet. Right now we only have 1 guy over the age of 30 on the team - championship teams usually have more than that. We have too much youth and inexperience. Rudy has been there, done that. He's seen it all. Will bring a level of maturity, experience, professionalism and leadership.

He would mostly just be like a Udonis Haslem type of guy at the end of the bench, but i think he could still be a reg season minutes eater, if we're in a pinch.

Plus, a guy like Rudy is a professional and has been around long enough to be realistic and know that he's not gonna get a lot of mins on a team like this. So he'll be ok with a reduced role - whereas someone like Lamar Stevens or some of these other free agents who are still out there - they're gonna want to go where they can get more playing time.

oh heaven help me I'm going to miss posting this when he's finally out of the league for good -- but I trust I've got a few more times left:

Watch on YouTube

I love a lot of the internet. But I just might love this the most. From "DeFEnSE" to "NOT THIS GUY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU **** ****" just gets me every time. It just sounds like this fan completely disintegrates in the stands.

"**** Rudy Gay, man, ****!" :lol:

It's worth signing him just for the Raptor lulz.

Dogen · Post #1775 » by **Dogen** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:26 pm

Hal14 wrote:Not gonna lie, with Queta signed I don't think we necessarily *need* the 15th roster spot to be a big.

KP, Rob, Al.

Kornet as the 4th big and Queta as the 5th big.

I think that's fine. I mean, if we grab another big like Griffin, Biyombo or Gabriel for that last spot, I won't lose any sleep. But I think those 5 guys is enough at center.

Queta was a guy who had recently been waived and then we scooped him up. Perhaps that is what Brad will do for the 15th roster spot too. Perhaps he will wait and see who gets waived between now and camp (or during camp) and then sign 1 of those guys.

Having Queta on the last 2-way is perfect, as it allows the team to get the season started with the Rob/Kris/Al/Luke rotation. Queta can get plenty of time in Maine learning the system and come in when needed if a regular rotation big is out, and to spot in certain games, maybe he comes in for a game against the 76ers, for example. He's one of the few players that's similar size and strength to Embiid. Will be interesting to see how he fares against Joel for a few minutes.

If Blake wants the spot, great, but if he's out I prefer another young athletic player that can fill the 4 spot as a third string behind Brissett. Wenyen Gabriel or Michael Foster Jr. With Queta signed, I prefer those guys over Biyombo.

(For a vet at the 15th spot, I'd be interested in Kenneth Faried for an early season test drive. There, I said it. Again. Don't hate me, bro.)

Dogen · Post #1776 » by **Dogen** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:34 pm

Brogdon: I'd like to see what he's going to bring to the table this year, in his current 6th man role. Brogdons don't grow on trees. If he's healthy and committed, he can still be a 4th or 5th best player on the team.

The concern I have comes from something Bobby at CLNS said, basically wondering out loud that if Brogdon needs surgery on the elbow and didn't get it right after the finals, then maybe he really feels unappreciated and will get the surgery at the start of the season, keeping his summer open, and doing his rehab from October - December on the company's dime.

It's a red flag if true, but can't say I really would blame him. The team basically indicated that he is expendable, so why go the extra mile?

Edit: And if Brogdon is out for the first two months, it wouldn't be the worst thing. In fact, may it is a good chance to see what Pritchard can bring in a regular role, and give Banton (and JD/Scrubb as 2-Way) some minutes as well to see what they can bring. Then the decision can be made at the deadline.

Hal14 · Post #1777 » by **Hal14** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:19 pm

Free agents still available:

Spoiler:

chrisab123 · Post #1778 » by **chrisab123** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:24 pm

Hal14 wrote:Not gonna lie, with Queta signed I don't think we necessarily *need* the 15th roster spot to be a big.

KP, Rob, Al.

Kornet as the 4th big and Queta as the 5th big.

I think that's fine. I mean, if we grab another big like Griffin, Biyombo or Gabriel for that last spot, I won't lose any sleep. But I think those 5 guys is enough at center.

Queta was a guy who had recently been waived and then we scooped him up. Perhaps that is what Brad will do for the 15th roster spot too. Perhaps he will wait and see who gets waived between now and camp (or during camp) and then sign 1 of those guys.

I've never understood why this board likes Kornet so much. I think they would be better off replacing him. Then again I guess if the last guy in the rotation is the biggest issue on the team its probably a good thing.

GoGreen · Post #1779 » by **GoGreen** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:24 pm

Dogen wrote:Brogdon: I'd like to see what he's going to bring to the table this year, in his current 6th man role. Brogdons don't grow on trees. If he's healthy and committed, he can still be a 4th or 5th best player on the team.

The concern I have comes from something Bobby at CLNS said, basically wondering out loud that if Brogdon needs surgery on the elbow and didn't get it right after the finals, then maybe he really feels unappreciated and will get the surgery at the start of the season, keeping his summer open, and doing his rehab from October - December on the company's dime.

It's a red flag if true, but can't say I really would blame him. The team basically indicated that he is expendable, so why go the extra mile?

Edit: And if Brogdon is out for the first two months, it wouldn't be the worst thing. In fact, may it is a good chance to see what Pritchard can bring in a regular role, and give Banton (and JD/Scrubb as 2-Way) some minutes as well to see what they can bring. Then the decision can be made at the deadline.

Yea, I don't think it would surprise anyone if Malcolm were out to start the year. No word yet but we'll see.

tfribs45 · Post #1780 » by **tfribs45** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:58 pm

GoGreen wrote:
Dogen wrote:Brogdon: I'd like to see what he's going to bring to the table this year, in his current 6th man role. Brogdons don't grow on trees. If he's healthy and committed, he can still be a 4th or 5th best player on the team.

The concern I have comes from something Bobby at CLNS said, basically wondering out loud that if Brogdon needs surgery on the elbow and didn't get it right after the finals, then maybe he really feels unappreciated and will get the surgery at the start of the season, keeping his summer open, and doing his rehab from October - December on the company's dime.

It's a red flag if true, but can't say I really would blame him. The team basically indicated that he is expendable, so why go the extra mile?

Edit: And if Brogdon is out for the first two months, it wouldn't be the worst thing. In fact, may it is a good chance to see what Pritchard can bring in a regular role, and give Banton (and JD/Scrubb as 2-Way) some minutes as well to see what they can bring. Then the decision can be made at the deadline.

Yea, I don't think it would surprise anyone if Malcolm were out to start the year. No word yet but we'll see.

PP on a regular role lmao. This teams already soft as heck, especially now.... If Malcolm is checking out, Brad better have a plan!!