The Brock Purdy Thread

Pattersonca65 · Post #101 » by **Pattersonca65** » Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:52 pm

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But yeah, Purdy is just a product of the players around him and Shanahan's system.

It is a bull narrative that defies logic and common sense.

Big J · Post #102 » by **Big J** » Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:31 am

Pattersonca65 wrote:
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But yeah, Purdy is just a product of the players around him and Shanahan's system.

It is a bull narrative that defies logic and common sense.

You're right. Purdy is the GOAT QB in the league and cannot be criticized.

Pattersonca65 · Post #103 » by **Pattersonca65** » Sat Sep 16, 2023 5:16 am

Big J wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
thesack12 wrote:

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But yeah, Purdy is just a product of the players around him and Shanahan's system.

It is a bull narrative that defies logic and common sense.

You're right. Purdy is the GOAT QB in the league and cannot be criticized.

Lol. No one said he is the GOAT or beyond criticism. There are still questions marks and valid criticism and then their is Bullsht criticism.

The criticisms that he is only a game manager
He is a dunk and dunk q .b
He isn't going to be better than average
He will only be good because of the talent around him

These are all bullsht criticisms

CharityStripe34 · Post #104 » by **CharityStripe34** » Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:31 pm

Purdy has shown to be very good coming on in difficult circumstances. Is he a Mahomes or Allen who can change the course of a game with a crazy difficult throw (or run)? No. The kid was a 3rd string QB who helped lead the team to the NFC Title Game, and if it weren't for a blown block scheme, it's certainly possible we would've made the SB. I think some are twisting themselves into pretzels with some very game-specific qualifiers to try and discern if he's either good or very good, or potentially great or simply a decent system QB. At that point it's all semantics. In my opinion, he's shown thus far that his ceiling is being a very good QB. Has great pocket awareness and instincts, throws accurately and (IMO), most importantly, he's shown a great understanding of reading a defense. Sure, he's not perfect. He sometimes holds the ball a bit longer than you'd like which leaves him open to sacks/fumbles, but usually he's great at shifting the pocket to extend plays and create new windows. And I'm sure at some point he's due for a stinker game or two, it happens to the very best. I could tell that Miami game when he came in he was instantly much more comfortable than Garoppolo and showed great poise.

"CAN HE THROW 45 TIMES FOR 476 YARDS AND 3 TDS FACING THE #1 DEFENSE ON THE ROAD AFTER BEING SACKED FOUR TIMES????!!!" Some of the stuff I see (generally speaking) by his critics is a bit hyperbolic. I'll adhere to Steve Young's assessment of him on KNBR just recently. He understands the game, knows the situation he's in, what kind of team he has to work with and simply executes the position of QB and what he's asked to do. He does just enough every so often during games to go off-schedule and make great plays when needed. I think Steve said about 10% of the time, playing QB involves making "hero" plays or throws. 90% of the time it's moving the chains, getting the ball to your weapons, understanding the matchups on defense and taking advantage, etc.

Big J · Post #105 » by **Big J** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:35 am

CharityStripe34 wrote:Purdy has shown to be very good coming on in difficult circumstances. Is he a Mahomes or Allen who can change the course of a game with a crazy difficult throw (or run)? No. The kid was a 3rd string QB who helped lead the team to the NFC Title Game, and if it weren't for a blown block scheme, it's certainly possible we would've made the SB. I think some are twisting themselves into pretzels with some very game-specific qualifiers to try and discern if he's either good or very good, or potentially great or simply a decent system QB. At that point it's all semantics. In my opinion, he's shown thus far that his ceiling is being a very good QB. Has great pocket awareness and instincts, throws accurately and (IMO), most importantly, he's shown a great understanding of reading a defense. Sure, he's not perfect. He sometimes holds the ball a bit longer than you'd like which leaves him open to sacks/fumbles, but usually he's great at shifting the pocket to extend plays and create new windows. And I'm sure at some point he's due for a stinker game or two, it happens to the very best. I could tell that Miami game when he came in he was instantly much more comfortable than Garoppolo and showed great poise.

"CAN HE THROW 45 TIMES FOR 476 YARDS AND 3 TDS FACING THE #1 DEFENSE ON THE ROAD AFTER BEING SACKED FOUR TIMES????!!!" Some of the stuff I see (generally speaking) by his critics is a bit hyperbolic. I'll adhere to Steve Young's assessment of him on KNBR just recently. He understands the game, knows the situation he's in, what kind of team he has to work with and simply executes the position of QB and what he's asked to do. He does just enough every so often during games to go off-schedule and make great plays when needed. I think Steve said about 10% of the time, playing QB involves making "hero" plays or throws. 90% of the time it's moving the chains, getting the ball to your weapons, understanding the matchups on defense and taking advantage, etc.

True, but the greats are able to make those 10% of hero throws, and that’s why they win SBs. Dudes like Jimmy & Purdy aren’t that guy.

CrimsonCrew · Post #106 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:27 pm

How many hero throws did Tom Brady make? He's never had elite arm talent. Definitely has never had elite athleticism. And yet, he's the most successful QB in league history.

thesack12 · Post #107 » by **thesack12** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:22 pm

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This list only shows active players, but as you can see when its "Hero Ball" time QB's come up short the vast majority of the time.

thesack12 · Post #108 » by **thesack12** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:35 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:How many hero throws did Tom Brady make? He's never had elite arm talent. Definitely has never had elite athleticism. And yet, he's the most successful QB in league history.

Outside of Mahomes, none of the super athletic type of QB's have really won anything of note.

Josh Allen
Deshaun Watson
Kyler Murray
Lamar Jackson

Looking back at the past Super Bowl winning QB's all the way back to 2000

Mahomes
Stafford
Brady
Mahomes
Brady
Foles
Brady
P Manning
Brady
R Wilson
Flacco
E Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Roethlisberger
E Manning
P Manning
Roethlisberger
Brady
Brady
Brad Johnson
Brady
Dilfer
Warner

Yeah, outside of Mahomes there aren't any athletic freak QB's on that list. Russ was mobile, but certainly not an elite athlete and never had high end measurables.

CrimsonCrew · Post #109 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 4:00 pm

Stafford has elite arm talent. Mahomes isn't an that athletic, it's this throwing that makes him special. But your overall point is a fair one.

Samurai · Post #110 » by **Samurai** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:50 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Stafford has elite arm talent. Mahomes isn't an that athletic, it's this throwing that makes him special. But your overall point is a fair one.

Nah, you cannot use facts unless it supports a bias agenda. In the end, the agenda must rule regardless of the facts!

Big J · Post #111 » by **Big J** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:58 pm

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Purdy. Can't. Throw. Deep. He missed wide open deep balls all game.

Samurai · Post #112 » by **Samurai** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:19 am

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Purdy. Can't. Throw. Deep. He missed wide open deep balls all game.

Except the big 31-yarder to Jennings leading to the big TD to put us up by 10 in the 4th quarter. Huge play and tough throw to make. I assume you must have been temporarily blinded by the bias sunglasses at that moment.

Big J · Post #113 » by **Big J** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:23 am

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This is nearly identical to the throw Jimmy missed in the SB.

arich35 · Post #114 » by **arich35** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:34 am

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This is nearly identical to the throw Jimmy missed in the SB.

Luckily Purdy is still young and has a chance to improve on those throws. Think we should give him the chance instead of assuming he can't do it because he missed a couple throws in one game. He wasn't good today, we all agree on that but he did enough to help the team win even with the inaccuracy. Let's see how he bounces back and learns from the mistakes today

That also wasn't the same throw. Jimmy was throwing it from the opposite 40 yard line and threw to the 5 yard line with way more air time. Purdy here threw it more on a line instead of airing it a little bit more which I feel like is an easy fix to make. He mad a deep throw last year and had way more air time and hit Kittle

CrimsonCrew · Post #115 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:17 pm

Overall, I thought Purdy played a pretty good game under a fair bit of pressure. Most importantly, he protected the football in a game where that was the difference. He had some nice throws, some shaky throws where his receivers bailed him out, and the missed deep balls.

The missed deep balls stood out because those are the sort of game-changing plays that we need to hit going forward. I'm willing to give him a break on it this time, but he'll have to show an ability to make those throws going forward if he wants that premium payday.

All told, this was one of his worst games as a Niner, and the offense scored 30, he took one sack, and didn't turn the ball over, so it's tough to be too critical. And that was with Aiyuk clearly hampered.

CrimsonCrew · Post #116 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:18 pm

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Purdy. Can't. Throw. Deep. He missed wide open deep balls all game.

Lance isn't a particularly good deep ball thrower, either.

Big J · Post #117 » by **Big J** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:05 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
Big J wrote:

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Purdy. Can't. Throw. Deep. He missed wide open deep balls all game.

Lance isn't a particularly good deep ball thrower, either.

He actually is. Lance has a cannon arm.

Pattersonca65 · Post #118 » by **Pattersonca65** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:33 pm

Big J wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Big J wrote:

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Purdy. Can't. Throw. Deep. He missed wide open deep balls all game.

Lance isn't a particularly good deep ball thrower, either.

He actually is. Lance has a cannon arm.

He actually isn't. He has a strong arm but is inaccurate

arich35 · Post #119 » by **arich35** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 6:40 pm

Does anyone watch other games? QBs miss deep throws nearly every game, even the top QBs. In reality those throws are tough to get down perfectly especially for someone who is still new to the league in an offense where we really don't give our QBs a lot of chances to throw deep. Hard to consistently hit those throws when you aren't given many chances and you are use to throwing a laser for 10 yards most of the time. Hopefully Kyle starts to give him more and more chances

Big J · Post #120 » by **Big J** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:02 pm

Pattersonca65 wrote:
Big J wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Lance isn't a particularly good deep ball thrower, either.

He actually is. Lance has a cannon arm.

He actually isn't. He has a strong arm but is inaccurate

We’ve seen him hit deep balls even in his limited time on the field. He’s probably hit more than Purdy even though he’s played only 1/8 the amount of time.