The Brock Purdy Thread

[Pattersonca65]

He actually is. Lance has a cannon arm.

He actually isn't. He has a strong arm but is inaccurate

We’ve seen him hit deep balls even in his limited time on the field. He’s probably hit more than Purdy even though he’s played only 1/8 the amount of time.

I've seen him in limited time miss badly like he often did in college. Except with Lance he is inaccurate at all three levels.

[CrimsonCrew]

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Purdy. Can't. Throw. Deep. He missed wide open deep balls all game.

Lance isn't a particularly good deep ball thrower, either.

He actually is. Lance has a cannon arm.

No, he's not. He has a strong arm, but he's not accurate. He wasn't in college, and there's been no indication he is in the pros.

Lance is capable of throwing an absolutely beautiful deep ball, he just hasn't ever shown the ability to do it consistently. It's a crap shoot. And he's much worse than Purdy at pretty much anything under 30 yards.

[CrimsonCrew]

Does anyone watch other games? QBs miss deep throws nearly every game, even the top QBs. In reality those throws are tough to get down perfectly especially for someone who is still new to the league in an offense where we really don't give our QBs a lot of chances to throw deep. Hard to consistently hit those throws when you aren't given many chances and you are use to throwing a laser for 10 yards most of the time. Hopefully Kyle starts to give him more and more chances

Yeah, what stood out this game was multiple misses to wide open players. But it's early in the season, Brock missed a bunch of the offseason, he's probably still figuring out the mechanics for the deeper stuff with the repaired arm. It's nothing to panic about at this point. If he continues to struggle - a la Garoppolo - then it becomes more of a cause for concern.

[CrimsonCrew]

We saw Lance miss basically the same throw to the TE in the Bears game, except that wasn't even as long a ball.

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Watch this one starting at the 20 second mark. Very reminiscent of Brock's misses.

[CrimsonCrew]

Again, I think we gave up on Lance too early, but Purdy is very obviously better than him right now. And Big J, you are dramatically overrating Lance's abilities. His mechanics have always been a mess, and he's always missed deep balls. He has the potential to hit them, but not obvious ability to do so on command. Add in his struggles to play under pressure, to react quickly, and to throw accurately even in the short and mid-range area, and there are loads of reasons to question if he has any sort of successful NFL career in him.

[CrimsonCrew]

Oh, btw, we saw Purdy crush it on a couple sneaks yesterday. Ha!

[Big J]

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[CrimsonCrew]

Also, it's pretty telling that Purdy had a game in which he completed 68% of his passes, threw for one TD and rushed for another, took one sack, and generated 30 points of offense in a game in which the D wasn't really turning the ball over until the very end, and people (or at least one person) are reacting as if he's maxed out and has no longterm future in the league. If Trey Lance had put together this sort of game, people would be losing their minds saying he was the next great thing.

[Big J]

Also, it's pretty telling that Purdy had a game in which he completed 68% of his passes, threw for one TD and rushed for another, took one sack, and generated 30 points of offense in a game in which the D wasn't really turning the ball over until the very end, and people (or at least one person) are reacting as if he's maxed out and has no longterm future in the league. If Trey Lance had put together this sort of game, people would be losing their minds saying he was the next great thing.

That's because Purdy is a finished product, and Lance is raw, but absolutely dripping with potential.

[CrimsonCrew]

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Yep, those are two examples of Lance throwing nice deep balls to WRs in stride. The pass to Deebo was not a great pass, IMO. Deebo was in between and ahead of the defenders in such a way that anything in his vicinity was going to be a catch. I have always thought Lance threw it behind Deebo such that another WR might have been tackled short of the goal line. The pass to Sherfield was also more of a crossing pass than a tear drop to a guy in stride, which are harder to throw. We've seen Purdy throw plenty of long crossers accurately (and that's also one of Lance's better balls, and what he hit repeatedly against the Broncos in the preseason). I've also got to point out that two of those passes were in the preseason, though a nice ball is a nice ball.

There's no doubt Lance has the ability to make great throws. But again, he just doesn't make them often enough. And given that he's much less reliable on the more routine stuff, the fact that he's 30% better on deep balls just doesn't bear out in the longterm.

[Pattersonca65]

Also, it's pretty telling that Purdy had a game in which he completed 68% of his passes, threw for one TD and rushed for another, took one sack, and generated 30 points of offense in a game in which the D wasn't really turning the ball over until the very end, and people (or at least one person) are reacting as if he's maxed out and has no longterm future in the league. If Trey Lance had put together this sort of game, people would be losing their minds saying he was the next great thing.

That's because Purdy is a finished product, and Lance is raw, but absolutely dripping with potential.

Purdy is not a finished product. No one thinks that. Lance dripping with potential. LMAO

[CrimsonCrew]

Also, it's pretty telling that Purdy had a game in which he completed 68% of his passes, threw for one TD and rushed for another, took one sack, and generated 30 points of offense in a game in which the D wasn't really turning the ball over until the very end, and people (or at least one person) are reacting as if he's maxed out and has no longterm future in the league. If Trey Lance had put together this sort of game, people would be losing their minds saying he was the next great thing.

That's because Purdy is a finished product, and Lance is raw, but absolutely dripping with potential.

And that's the problem. We're not a better team with Lance right now. And by the time Lance gets the refinement we need, we're going to have to pay him $20+ million a year (just on his fifth-year deal, to say nothing of a longer deal). So this excellent team around him gets wasted in the present (I think we pretty clearly would have lost yesterday with Lance at QB), and by the time his potential maybe gets there, which is like a 25% proposition at best at this point, the team around him isn't nearly as strong.

I have been as vocal as anyone in criticizing the team's handling of everything to do with the Lance pick. But Lance vs. Purdy for this team right now is not a question.

[CrimsonCrew]

And it's pretty shocking that anyone would consider an NFL QB to be a finished product eight games (ten if we count the playoffs) into their career. Drew Brees, who is basically Purdy's best-case comparison, played the same number of seasons and attempted slightly more passes in his college career. Was he done growing as a passer eight games into his career? Of course not. Silly to think Brock is.

[arich35]

Also, it's pretty telling that Purdy had a game in which he completed 68% of his passes, threw for one TD and rushed for another, took one sack, and generated 30 points of offense in a game in which the D wasn't really turning the ball over until the very end, and people (or at least one person) are reacting as if he's maxed out and has no longterm future in the league. If Trey Lance had put together this sort of game, people would be losing their minds saying he was the next great thing.

That's because Purdy is a finished product, and Lance is raw, but absolutely dripping with potential.

Yeah the other 31 teams were dying to get his potential on their team. Cowboys overpaid to have him at best be the back up in a couple weeks

[Pattersonca65]

Also, it's pretty telling that Purdy had a game in which he completed 68% of his passes, threw for one TD and rushed for another, took one sack, and generated 30 points of offense in a game in which the D wasn't really turning the ball over until the very end, and people (or at least one person) are reacting as if he's maxed out and has no longterm future in the league. If Trey Lance had put together this sort of game, people would be losing their minds saying he was the next great thing.

That's because Purdy is a finished product, and Lance is raw, but absolutely dripping with potential.

Yeah the other 31 teams were dying to get his potential on their team. Cowboys overpaid to have him at best be the back up in a couple weeks

Jerry Jones offered the highest pick, a 4th, and he didn't even consult his own staff about acquiring him

[Big J]

That's because Purdy is a finished product, and Lance is raw, but absolutely dripping with potential.

Yeah the other 31 teams were dying to get his potential on their team. Cowboys overpaid to have him at best be the back up in a couple weeks

Jerry Jones offered the highest pick, a 4th, and he didn't even consult his own staff about acquiring him

Dak, Parsons, Lamb, Diggs, Lawrence, Gilmore, Martin, ect. You can joke, but Jerry knows talent when he sees it.

[Pattersonca65]

Yeah the other 31 teams were dying to get his potential on their team. Cowboys overpaid to have him at best be the back up in a couple weeks

Jerry Jones offered the highest pick, a 4th, and he didn't even consult his own staff about acquiring him

Dak, Parsons, Lamb, Diggs, Lawrence, Gilmore, Martin, ect. You can joke, but Jerry knows talent when he sees it.

Jerry Jones was also going to draft Johnny Manziel on his own until his own staff finally convinced him not to.

[thesack12]

Lance isn't a particularly good deep ball thrower, either.

He actually is. Lance has a cannon arm.

No, he's not. He has a strong arm, but he's not accurate. He wasn't in college, and there's been no indication he is in the pros.

Lance is capable of throwing an absolutely beautiful deep ball, he just hasn't ever shown the ability to do it consistently. It's a crap shoot. And he's much worse than Purdy at pretty much anything under 30 yards.

Yeah, Arm strength is only part of the equation when it comes to deep balls. Honestly its not even the most important part. Ball placement and accuracy are critical factors in that equation.

Jamarcus Russell could throw a football like 70 yards while on his knees, yet I don't think anybody is going to accuse him of being a good deep ball thrower, let alone an actually good QB.

[thesack12]

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This is a pretty interesting approach by you.

Recently you claimed that David Lombardi was "cherry picking" stats to prop up Purdy. Keeping in mind those stats were compiled from data points among several games.

Yet here, you are doing the very definition of cherry picking by posting a couple of random specific plays that happen support your very flawed narrative. Also as Crims mentioned, a couple of these are pre-season plays which means next to nothing.

A very interesting approach indeed.

[thesack12]

Yeah the other 31 teams were dying to get his potential on their team. Cowboys overpaid to have him at best be the back up in a couple weeks

Jerry Jones offered the highest pick, a 4th, and he didn't even consult his own staff about acquiring him

Dak, Parsons, Lamb, Diggs, Lawrence, Gilmore, Martin, ect. You can joke, but Jerry knows talent when he sees it.

Isn't your whole Schtick based around what may or may not be successful in the playoffs? That being the case, how successful has Jerry Jones and his eye for talent been in the playoffs in the last 25 years or so? Spoiler alert, Dallas hasn't been past the 2nd round since 1995