Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

[165bows]

Hornets playing third team for Herro in a Lillard trade prob means Hayward getting cut.

...then signs with the Heat lol. Weren't they the runner-up when Cs signed Hayward in 2017?

Hmm yeah I don’t remember the details back then but good point nonetheless.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics don’t need Harden dribbling for 21 seconds and blowing off Tatum, Brown and Porzingis. That is just one of about a hundred reasons why the Celtics should stay away from Harden

I think he'd buy in for a season given our current roster. He'd be here to run point first n foremost. I think he'd be fine deferring to JT. Thrilled, even. And he can't get into that much trouble in Boston (could go too hard into the restaurant scene I suppose).

James
Jaylen
Jayson
Kristaps
Robert

That's a ring waiting to happen.

Harden hasn’t “bought in” anywhere he has played. Harden does his own thing. It ain’t happening

[Darthlukey]

Hornets playing third team for Herro in a Lillard trade prob means Hayward getting cut.

...then signs with the Heat lol. Weren't they the runner-up when Cs signed Hayward in 2017?

Based on how Hayward played for us (yes, injuries I know), I would say they were the winners of the hayward deal, not the runners up

[Hal14]

When you look at the 14 guys on our roster right now and our 3 2-ways, it's a very good, deep, talented team with good players at every position, size, shooting. A nice combination of youth and veterans.

What are we missing? Championship experience.

7 out of the last 8 championship teams (and 16 of the last 19) had at least 1 player on the team who had won a ring previously.

The good news? There's a few free agents who have a ring.

The bad news? None of them are very good at this point in their career, and none of them were much of a contributor on the team they were on that won a title:

-Ish Smith
-Juan Toscano-Anderson
-Mamadi Diakite
-Bryn Forbes (seems like he's out of the league for awhile, maybe for good due to off court issues)

[playa-hater]

Dang it.. Just got word from my "sauce" that has not been wrong in the few times he made a claim that "Miami/Portland have agreed upon the frame work of the Dame trade and details will follow early next week". AND "Tyler Herro is NOT a part of the trade" at least not directly..

EDIT... slightly.... "Portland is telling other teams if an actual offer isn't made for Dame in the next few days they will pull the trigger on the trade to Miami"

"this is their last chance"

PS..I am just the messenger

[chrisab123]

Hornets playing third team for Herro in a Lillard trade prob means Hayward getting cut.

...then signs with the Heat lol. Weren't they the runner-up when Cs signed Hayward in 2017?

Yes. His wife wanted Miami for beach reasons. He chose Boston because of Brad.

[chrisab123]

A pretty good pick up for Philly,
glad he didn't end up with the Heat,
as he would have hurt the Celtics in one or two Playoff games.
Nice to see Miami losing out on several decent Free Agents.

This is how I look at it. Dame is a Heat on opening night. I'm sure of that. However the FA pool is drying up and financially they can't take that contract without Herro going out. So yes JRich is really good but losing out on Oubre really hurts them.

[165bows]

Dang it.. Just got word from my "sauce" that has not been wrong in the few times he made a claim that "Miami/Portland have agreed upon the frame work of the Dame trade and details will follow early next week". AND "Tyler Herro is NOT a part of the trade" at least not directly..

EDIT... slightly.... "Portland is telling other teams if an actual offer isn't made for Dame in the next few days they will pull the trigger on the trade to Miami"

"this is their last chance"

PS..I am just the messenger

Yeah writing seemed on the wall with the reports yesterday.

Herro to Charlotte makes a ton of sense.

[ConstableGeneva]

Read on Twitter

[Larry_Russell]

Is this yeat another year of having to listen to how great Miami is now?

I would love to get a hold of Herro personally. That guy is going to want to BURN the **** out of Miami. lol

[celtxman]

Let’s goooooo, dude is trash.

Read on Twitter

I would have considered a flyer on Oubre. Legitimate talent, easy to move if it didn't work

[Larry_Russell]

Brogdon and Kornet match salary for herro close enough for a deal to go through.

Brogdon to CLippers
Batum, Lillard to Miami
Lowry, Covington, Jaquez, Jovic, Kornet and amillion picks from Miami to Portland

Herro to Boston

White/Pritchard/Banton
Brown/Herro/Svi
Tatum/Hauser/Walsh
Porzingas/..../Brissett
Timelord/Horford/...

2wp
Scrubb
Quetsy
Davidson

13 players under contact, need to sign a backup bigman either at PF or at Center...doesnt matter which as Al can man the backup spot at either position.
Gabriel and Biyombo to min deals

Done

[Hal14]

Brogdon and Kornet match salary for herro close enough for a deal to go through.

Brogdon to CLippers
Batum, Lillard to Miami
Lowry, Covington, Jaquez, Jovic, Kornet and amillion picks from Miami to Portland

Herro to Boston

White/Pritchard/Banton
Brown/Herro/Svi
Tatum/Hauser/Walsh
Porzingas/..../Brissett
Timelord/Horford/...

2wp
Scrubb
Quetsy
Davidson

13 players under contact, need to sign a backup bigman either at PF or at Center...doesnt matter which as Al can man the backup spot at either position.
Gabriel and Biyombo to min deals

Done

We're not helping Miami get Lillard.

[Larry_Russell]

Brogdon and Kornet match salary for herro close enough for a deal to go through.

Brogdon to CLippers
Batum, Lillard to Miami
Lowry, Covington, Jaquez, Jovic, Kornet and amillion picks from Miami to Portland

Herro to Boston

White/Pritchard/Banton
Brown/Herro/Svi
Tatum/Hauser/Walsh
Porzingas/..../Brissett
Timelord/Horford/...

2wp
Scrubb
Quetsy
Davidson

13 players under contact, need to sign a backup bigman either at PF or at Center...doesnt matter which as Al can man the backup spot at either position.
Gabriel and Biyombo to min deals

Done

We're not helping Miami get Lillard.

you dont refuse deals that make your team better because you fear another team is going to be better (when the other team is going to get better either way)

Herro is an upgrade to Brogdon. I dont see anyone that can argue against that.

Brogdon is older, far more injury concerns, far more injury history, slower, less athletic

IMO, Herro is a vastly superior scorer and is improving greatly in the playmaking department.

[playa-hater]

Brogdon and Kornet match salary for herro close enough for a deal to go through.

Brogdon to CLippers
Batum, Lillard to Miami
Lowry, Covington, Jaquez, Jovic, Kornet and amillion picks from Miami to Portland

Herro to Boston

White/Pritchard/Banton
Brown/Herro/Svi
Tatum/Hauser/Walsh
Porzingas/..../Brissett
Timelord/Horford/...

2wp
Scrubb
Quetsy
Davidson

13 players under contact, need to sign a backup bigman either at PF or at Center...doesnt matter which as Al can man the backup spot at either position.
Gabriel and Biyombo to min deals

Done

We're not helping Miami get Lillard.

you dont refuse deals that make your team better because you fear another team is going to be better (when the other team is going to get better either way)

Herro is an upgrade to Brogdon. I dont see anyone that can argue against that.

Brogdon is older, far more injury concerns, far more injury history, slower, less athletic

IMO, Herro is a vastly superior scorer and is improving greatly in the playmaking department.

While this is true, Herro needs the ball a lot and I am not sure there would be enough touches for him. With that said I would still entertain the idea.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Is this yeat another year of having to listen to how great Miami is now?

I would love to get a hold of Herro personally. That guy is going to want to BURN the **** out of Miami. lol

Herro would be a great addition to the Celtics, but I doubt Miami would want him anywhere near Boston in any type of trade.

[Hal14]

At this point, my top choices for our 15th spot (not in any particular order) would probably be:

JaMychal Green
Lamar Stevens
Javonte Green

Or perhaps some other guy who gets waived between now and the end of training camp.

What do the 3 guys above have in common?

-Veterans (age 26 or older, been in the league for at least 3 seasons already). I think we have enough young guys now (age 24 or younger) with Walsh, Banton, the 2-ways, the exhibit 10 guys..this last roster spot I want another vet, not a young kid who needs to be developed. We've got enough young kids to develop now - we can't develop this many young kids all at once - we're trying to win a title here

-Shooting. I think all 3 of these guys are decent enough shooters. JaMychal is obviously a solid shooter. Last season he was 38% from 3. Career 37%. 5 of the last 6 seasons he's been at 38% or better from 3.

Javonte improved his shooting in Chicago. During the 21-22 season in Chicago (including playoffs) he shot 34% from 3. Then last season before his knee injury he was 40% from 3. Add both of those sample sizes together (exactly 100 total shots) and he was 36% from 3 which is certainly respectable.

Lamar, as I've posted before has improved his 3 pt % significantly in each of his 3 NBA seasons. Last season he shot 35.4% from 3 over his last 39 games and 37.5% over his last 21 games. Those are respectable numbers and it shows that he's on an upward trajectory. And there's been a couple of vids posted this offseason that show him comfortable nailing jumper after jumper (13 threes made in a row in 1 of them).

-Size. JaMychal can play the 4 or the 5. I think he could probably play alongside any of our bigs - or he could even play as the only big with Tatum or Brissett at the 4.

Lamar can play the 3 or the 4 so he has some pretty good size. He's about 235 lbs, built like a truck.

Javonte is only 6'5" but plays much bigger with his 6'10" wingspan and leaping ability and the way he times his jumps for rebounds. He's more of a 2/3 type of guy, but he did start at the 4 for awhile there in Chicago, with Lavine and Derozan at the 2 and the 3. Ideally, you have a 4 who can get at least a 10% rebounding %. Javonte is usually right around that mark, sometimes a little higher (Lamar Stevens is usually right about that same rebounding % too). For comparison, Grant williams is usually only at about a 9% rebounding %.

-Locker room fit. Javonte we KNOW is a great locker room fit. Great guy, still good friends with Tatum. Lamar - I've posted some stuff on here about how his teammates really liked/respected him in cleveland, Donovan Mitchell even saw him as a leader of that team, his coach there loved him too. I'm less certain about JaMychal's locker room fit, but the guy has been in the league a long time and seems to have a pretty good reputation. Jokic said some really good things about him from when they played together in Denver:
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/jamychal-green-made-lasting-impression-on-jokic-in-eight-games/1423947/

There's some other FA who can shoot. Like Terence Davis and Rodney McGruder. But I think Davis at this point in his career probably wants a bigger role/more $ than we can offer. He has off court red flags too and lacks size. McGruder also lacks size.

[BK_2020]

Celtics don’t need Harden dribbling for 21 seconds and blowing off Tatum, Brown and Porzingis. That is just one of about a hundred reasons why the Celtics should stay away from Harden

I think he'd buy in for a season given our current roster. He'd be here to run point first n foremost. I think he'd be fine deferring to JT. Thrilled, even. And he can't get into that much trouble in Boston (could go too hard into the restaurant scene I suppose).

James
Jaylen
Jayson
Kristaps
Robert

That's a ring waiting to happen.

Harden hasn’t “bought in” anywhere he has played. Harden does his own thing. It ain’t happening

He's taken a backseat to primary stars for like 4 seasons now? At each of the four stops he did different things depending on what the team needed. But feel free to argue that Harden in his Houston days should've handled the ball less and let Pat Beverly and Ryan Anderson ISO more.

[ryan in Maine]

Celtics don’t need Harden dribbling for 21 seconds and blowing off Tatum, Brown and Porzingis. That is just one of about a hundred reasons why the Celtics should stay away from Harden

I think he'd buy in for a season given our current roster. He'd be here to run point first n foremost. I think he'd be fine deferring to JT. Thrilled, even. And he can't get into that much trouble in Boston (could go too hard into the restaurant scene I suppose).

James
Jaylen
Jayson
Kristaps
Robert

That's a ring waiting to happen.

Harden hasn’t “bought in” anywhere he has played. Harden does his own thing. It ain’t happening

It's a scientific fact that strippers call him James "Happening" Harden.

[Dogen]

Brogdon and Kornet match salary for herro close enough for a deal to go through.

Brogdon to Clippers
Batum, Lillard to Miami
Lowry, Covington, Jaquez, Jovic, Kornet and a million picks from Miami to Portland

Herro to Boston

White/Pritchard/Banton
Brown/Herro/Svi
Tatum/Hauser/Walsh
Porzingas/..../Brissett
Timelord/Horford/...

2wp
Scrubb
Quetsy
Davidson

13 players under contact, need to sign a backup bigman either at PF or at Center...doesnt matter which as Al can man the backup spot at either position.
Gabriel and Biyombo to min deals

Done

We're not helping Miami get Lillard.

If giving up just Brogdon and Kornet gets Herro -- IDK, this would make for a very interesting season subplot. I don't think Riley wants to help the Celtics either.