Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[gambitx777]

These contracts are drawn up by extremely good lawyers. You can be absolutely certain that someone who does what Porter seems to have done, is charged & convicted (as it seems he will be) & then sent to prison (ditto) doesn't collect on his contract.

Miles Bridges -- whose offense was FAR less severe than Porter's & who didn't get sentenced to any prison time -- wasn't paid for the games he missed while suspended.

In this country, you are innocent until convicted, & the courts have not yet spoken. Nor am I either an attorney or a judge. All the same, if things go as seems most likely, Kevin Porter Jr. won't collect on his contract.

Well the rockets also have an incentive to trade him due to the cap. No matter what he counts towards the cap. The money owed is still owed now if he's suspended they get some of it back. Then they can cut him but they still owe him money if they cut him before the suspension they owe him all of the Money. And they lose the tradable contract so. Moving him to another team for another contract have incentive because they have another player they can keep or a contract to trade which they might not have the option to do other wise. Bobby marks explains this on the hoops collective pod about 37 minutes in. It's better for them if they move him.

https://youtu.be/Qt2whb0EYJw?si=-WVzB3xWxWQy9TGD



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What Bobby Marks doesn't take into account is the following:

Kevin Porter is going to be convicted of a crime.
He is going to be sentenced to time in prison.

That will render his contract null & void.

[gambitx777]

What Bobby Marks doesn't take into account is the following:

Kevin Porter is going to be convicted of a crime.
He is going to be sentenced to time in prison.

That will render his contract null & void.

That could take years and might very well be after his garubtees are due to be paid and after the season takes place. That's doesn't help their cap hold not or even next year when having a contract to move to get players in when they are over the cap is important. I get what you're saying ! I do. But I believe moving him is best.

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[Halcyon]

I wonder if we might be involved in a big deal involving Dame or someone else, who wants our vets to fill out their bench. Could take a while for the roster reduction to happen.

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What Bobby Marks doesn't take into account is the following:

Kevin Porter is going to be convicted of a crime.
He is going to be sentenced to time in prison.

That will render his contract null & void.

That could take years and might very well be after his garubtees are due to be paid and after the season takes place. That's doesn't help their cap hold not or even next year when having a contract to move to get players in when they are over the cap is important. I get what you're saying ! I do. But I believe moving him is best.

Criminal trials don't take years. In any case I don't see any team trading for him no matter what picks he's wrapped in. Nor will the NBA want that.

Wait & see. Meanwhile, let's drop the subject please.

[gambitx777]

In the interest of fun.

Three way!

Hou get: Jeffries , McBride, Fournier.

NYC get : Wright, Muscala, Gallinari, Shamet

Wiz Get: Porter Jr, Sims, the Wiz 2024 First, uta/cle 2024 second, the nets 2025 second, a Indy/suns 2028 second, Indy/wiz 2029 second via NYC, the nets 2024 first from the rockets.

Why.

The rockets get off that problem child and get a good decent tradable contract for in Fournier, Jeffries is waiver wire bait but they might keep McBride around to kick the tires on him. The nets pick is unprotected but they are gonna be trying to win and if they get same they might be good!

NYC upgrades their bench by a lot here. The get better at every bench spot they traded out. They get defence and passing at the guard spots and they get some size and shooting up front. They also get some more contrac flexibility cuz none of these guys would cost much to keep and they are all tradable contracts come jan. Our pick isn't worth much and those seconds are not a huge price to pay.

Why would the wizards do this. Well we turn 4 vets into our pick back, a first, 4 seconds, a young center on a RC, a 10 mill TPE and savings. Because this move saves us 10 million in contracts this year and 11 next year. That's 21 mill. We cut porter Jr day one and that costs 16 mill and we save 5 mill in contracts. We get some flexibility to go out and do some contract stuff with Deni and maybe signing or converting some dudes. But, that's a decent package for eating porters contact and saving money at the same time.

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Well, that would certainly be "fun" for us!

Assuming that we'd cut Porter & eat his salary, we'd be giving up 4 veterans. None of them have long-term significance for us.

You have us getting our '24 R1 pick back, but we wouldn't lose it in any case -- what we owe will turn into a R2 pick we have to give in '25 or '26 I believe. So getting it back is like getting another R2 pick.

Thus, in effect, we trade 4 vets, 3 of them on expiring contracts & none of them significant to us long term. In return, we get Jericho Sims, who is a very good young player, & 5 R2 picks plus a TPE.

The Knicks would have no interest in this deal.

[nate33]

Well, that would certainly be "fun" for us!

Assuming that we'd cut Porter & eat his salary, we'd be giving up 4 veterans. None of them have long-term significance for us.

You have us getting our '24 R1 pick back, but we wouldn't lose it in any case -- what we owe will turn into a R2 pick we have to give in '25 or '26 I believe. So getting it back is like getting another R2 pick.

Thus, in effect, we trade 4 vets, 3 of them on expiring contracts & none of them significant to us long term. In return, we get Jericho Sims, who is a very good young player, & 5 R2 picks plus a TPE.

The Knicks would have no interest in this deal.

Our FRP to the Knicks will turn into two 2RP's, BTW. The 2026 2RP and the 2027 2RP.

But that doesn't change your accurate assessment of the absurdity of gambit's proposal. We are trading 4 expendable, expiring-contract vets and somehow getting back Sims, a FRP and six 2RP's

[gambitx777]

Well, that would certainly be "fun" for us!

Assuming that we'd cut Porter & eat his salary, we'd be giving up 4 veterans. None of them have long-term significance for us.

You have us getting our '24 R1 pick back, but we wouldn't lose it in any case -- what we owe will turn into a R2 pick we have to give in '25 or '26 I believe. So getting it back is like getting another R2 pick.

Thus, in effect, we trade 4 vets, 3 of them on expiring contracts & none of them significant to us long term. In return, we get Jericho Sims, who is a very good young player, & 5 R2 picks plus a TPE.

The Knicks would have no interest in this deal.

I don't think the Knicks have no interest in this. They have so many extra seconds this is pretty much nothing and while our pick is so protected it doesn't have much provided value. I can see a world where we are so bombastic on offence we play out of the top ten and in danger of loosing our pick. So it makes sense to try and get it back.

The first round pick from Hou is a fair price to take in 16 mill of dead money. The nets pick isn't gonna be that special this year.

The kicks would do this deal because it upgrades ever single bench spot they need upgrading on.

Muscala is better than sims where they need him to be.

Sims is 24 not good on offence, can't shoot and can't his FT very well. He is a decent defender but he can't get any minutes as is. They nicks need shooting since all their bigs can't shoot. Muscala can do that better than sims.

Gallo is a huge upgrade over Fournier hands down

Shamett and wright way out play mcbride and the other guy I mentioned. This adds tons of depth and gives them for ability to still make moves not sacrificing much in terms of their premium assets. The contracts are still tradable and this makes them better.

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[DCZards]

I seriously doubt that the Rockets are going to give up first round picks or anything of value just to move Porter Jr. Given his history, I’m betting that Houston included a “personal conduct” clause in Porter Jr.’s contract that will eventually get them out from under most, if not all, of the $15 mil they owe him for next season.

I expect Porter Jr. to be waived by Houston before the start of the season.

[Frichuela]

I seriously doubt that the Rockets are going to give up first round picks or anything of value just to move Porter Jr. Given his history, I’m betting that Houston included a “personal conduct” clause in Porter Jr.’s contract that will eventually get them out from under most, if not all, of the $15 mil they owe him for next season.

I expect Porter Jr. to be waived by Houston before the start of the season.

This would make the most sense...

[nate33]

I seriously doubt that the Rockets are going to give up first round picks or anything of value just to move Porter Jr. Given his history, I’m betting that Houston included a “personal conduct” clause in Porter Jr.’s contract that will eventually get them out from under most, if not all, of the $15 mil they owe him for next season.

I expect Porter Jr. to be waived by Houston before the start of the season.

And even if Houston was on the hook to pay Porter Jr., they're a rebuilding team just like us. Why would they cough up a first round pick to dump that salary? They're not up against the luxtax any more than we are.

Basically, if it makes sense for us to eat that contract in exchange for a FRP, It makes just as much sense for Houston.

[gesa2]

Agree that Houston is not trading a #1 pick to shed Porter.
A simpler deal along the lines of Wright and Shamet for Fournier and our pick back might work though

[gambitx777]

You'll be surprised what you might do to get a tradable contract in the do or a playable player. With their cap situation. They are paying like 70 mill to 3 guys they brought in and they aren't doing that to loose. They want to get better.

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[nate33]

I'd like to give Kai Jones a chance here:

Read on Twitter

[Rafael122]

I'd like to give Kai Jones a chance here:

Read on Twitter

Nate, not sure if you're on Twitter, but the reason he's available is because either Kai is going through some severe mental health issues or he's doing coke.

[Rafael122]

BTW, allegedly Windhorst said Boston is willing to offer multiple first round picks to get Brogdon traded. Shamet and Wright for Brogdon and multiple picks works. We're actually doing Boston a solid here, Shamet and Wright are expiring contracts so they essentially wipe Brogdon's $22.5 million salary next year which will help with their tax issues. I wouldn't do the trade if there are any protected picks in the deal.

If Boston is that desperate, I would do the GSW pick in 2024, protected 1-4 and then a pick in like 2026 or 2027.

[Frichuela]

BTW, allegedly Windhorst said Boston is willing to offer multiple first round picks to get Brogdon traded. Shamet and Wright for Brogdon and multiple picks works. We're actually doing Boston a solid here, Shamet and Wright are expiring contracts so they essentially wipe Brogdon's $22.5 million salary next year which will help with their tax issues. I wouldn't do the trade if there are any protected picks in the deal.

If Boston is that desperate, I would do the GSW pick in 2024, protected 1-4 and then a pick in like 2026 or 2027.

Sure. Why not!

The only issue to consider here is our FO would have to manage a disgruntled Brogdon's expectations..perhaps they sell to him the scenario of him playing hard (and hopefully healthy) this season in order to boost his value and be traded to a contender in the offseason?

[LyricalRico]

BTW, allegedly Windhorst said Boston is willing to offer multiple first round picks to get Brogdon traded. Shamet and Wright for Brogdon and multiple picks works. We're actually doing Boston a solid here, Shamet and Wright are expiring contracts so they essentially wipe Brogdon's $22.5 million salary next year which will help with their tax issues. I wouldn't do the trade if there are any protected picks in the deal.

If Boston is that desperate, I would do the GSW pick in 2024, protected 1-4 and then a pick in like 2026 or 2027.

Or would they want to use those picks in a deal for Jrue? Maybe a 3-way where we still get Brogdon and assets for facilitating?

I wonder if PDX might actually want Brogdon as a veteran on a semi-decent deal that helps them meet future salary minimums and can be flipped later. Maybe that cuts us out.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

BTW, allegedly Windhorst said Boston is willing to offer multiple first round picks to get Brogdon traded. Shamet and Wright for Brogdon and multiple picks works. We're actually doing Boston a solid here, Shamet and Wright are expiring contracts so they essentially wipe Brogdon's $22.5 million salary next year which will help with their tax issues. I wouldn't do the trade if there are any protected picks in the deal.

If Boston is that desperate, I would do the GSW pick in 2024, protected 1-4 and then a pick in like 2026 or 2027.

Sure. Why not!

The only issue to consider here is our FO would have to manage a disgruntled Brogdon's expectations..perhaps they sell to him the scenario of him playing hard (and hopefully healthy) this season in order to boost his value and be traded to a contender in the offseason?

Brogdan will play hard… he’s a stand up dude who’s super responsible and competitive. He’s just hurt a lot.