3rd - 7th best players in 2015-16 season

rk2023 · Post #1 » by **rk2023** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:29 am

Curry would be my clear 2nd, LBJ my clear 1st.

After that, Durant Kawhi Green Westbrook Paul would be my 3-7 - though I’m not quite sure how I would order them (hence the question).

How would you all rank these 5?

falcolombardi · Post #2 » by **falcolombardi** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:32 am

3rd- westbrook
4th- kawhi
5th- durant
6th-paul/draymond

iggymcfrack · Post #3 » by **iggymcfrack** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:12 am

3. Kawhi
4. Draymond
5. Westbrook
6. Paul
7. Durant

SpreeS · Post #4 » by **SpreeS** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:38 am

3. Kawhi
4. Durant
5. Paul
6. Green
7. westbrook

OhayoKD · Post #5 » by **OhayoKD** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:06 am

SpreeS wrote:3. Kawhi
4. Durant
5. Paul
6. Green
7. westbrook

durant over westbrook?

SpreeS · Post #6 » by **SpreeS** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:15 am

OhayoKD wrote:
SpreeS wrote:3. Kawhi
4. Durant
5. Paul
6. Green
7. westbrook

durant over westbrook?

So? I am not a fan of Westbrook palying style.

Jaivl · Post #7 » by **Jaivl** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:18 am

3. Durant
4. Leonard
5. Westbrook
6. Green

Mr. Perennial Playoff Injury not even on my radar.

trelos6 · Post #8 » by **trelos6** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:37 am

DeAndre Jordan is 3rd, because he was all NBA first team C. /s

Ok, seriously,

KD 3rd
Kawhi 4
Westbrook 5
Draymond 6
Chris Paul 7 (PS injury)

durantbird · Post #9 » by **durantbird** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:06 am

What about Harden?

Jaivl · Post #10 » by **Jaivl** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:15 am

durantbird wrote:What about Harden?

Closer to guys like Paul George or Irving than to the top 6 (7 if healthy Paul), IMO.

He's not the ISO god he would become in later seasons, probably weaker defensively as well (can't be hidden on a big man).

homecourtloss · Post #11 » by **homecourtloss** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:12 pm

Jaivl wrote:
durantbird wrote:What about Harden?

Closer to guys like Paul George or Irving than to the top 6 (7 if healthy Paul), IMO.

He's not the ISO god he would become in later seasons, probably weaker defensively as well (can't be hidden on a big man).

True.

Harden ISO Points per Possession

2016: .93 PPP on 7 possessions per game, 43% eFG, 17% FT frequency, 10% TOV
2017: .97 PPP on 7 possessions per game, 45% eFG, 15% FT frequency, 10% TOV
2018: 1.22 PPP on 10 possessions per game, 55% eFG (shot 39% on pull up threes), 20% FT frequency, 5% TOV
2019: 1.10 PPP on 16 possessions per game, 51% eFG, 16% FT frequency, 7% TOV
2020: 1.12 PPP on 14 possessions per game, 52% eFG, 16% FT frequency, 7% TOV
2021 (BKN) 1.09 PPP on 8 possessions per game, 53% eFG, 15% FT frequency, 9% TOV

falcolombardi · Post #12 » by **falcolombardi** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:24 pm

homecourtloss wrote:
Jaivl wrote:
durantbird wrote:What about Harden?

Closer to guys like Paul George or Irving than to the top 6 (7 if healthy Paul), IMO.

He's not the ISO god he would become in later seasons, probably weaker defensively as well (can't be hidden on a big man).

True.

Harden ISO Points per Possession

2016: .93 PPP on 7 possessions per game, 43% eFG, 17% FT frequency, 10% TOV
2017: .97 PPP on 7 possessions per game, 45% eFG, 15% FT frequency, 10% TOV
2018: 1.22 PPP on 10 possessions per game, 55% eFG (shot 39% on pull up threes), 20% FT frequency, 5% TOV
2019: 1.10 PPP on 16 possessions per game, 51% eFG, 16% FT frequency, 7% TOV
2020: 1.12 PPP on 14 possessions per game, 52% eFG, 16% FT frequency, 7% TOV
2021 (BKN) 1.09 PPP on 8 possessions per game, 53% eFG, 15% FT frequency, 9% TOV

Those 2018 numbers dont even seem real holy ****

homecourtloss · Post #13 » by **homecourtloss** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:40 pm

falcolombardi wrote:
homecourtloss wrote:
Jaivl wrote:Closer to guys like Paul George or Irving than to the top 6 (7 if healthy Paul), IMO.

He's not the ISO god he would become in later seasons, probably weaker defensively as well (can't be hidden on a big man).

True.

Harden ISO Points per Possession

2016: .93 PPP on 7 possessions per game, 43% eFG, 17% FT frequency, 10% TOV
2017: .97 PPP on 7 possessions per game, 45% eFG, 15% FT frequency, 10% TOV
2018: 1.22 PPP on 10 possessions per game, 55% eFG (shot 39% on pull up threes), 20% FT frequency, 5% TOV
2019: 1.10 PPP on 16 possessions per game, 51% eFG, 16% FT frequency, 7% TOV
2020: 1.12 PPP on 14 possessions per game, 52% eFG, 16% FT frequency, 7% TOV
2021 (BKN) 1.09 PPP on 8 possessions per game, 53% eFG, 15% FT frequency, 9% TOV

Those 2018 numbers dont even seem real holy ****

Probably one of the most underrated achievements in the past 25 years. He was basically making like three stepback threes per game. He shot 40% on threes after touching the ball for 6+ seconds (5 attempts a game :lol:

), 40% on threes after 7+ dribbles (4 attempts per game) something you just don’t see.

1.22 PPP would be in the 89th %ile for SPOT UP PPP, and nobody who played a lot of games and had 4+ spot up possessions per game broke 1.14 PPP in 2018. 84% of all his FGs were made unassisted.

The 2017 GS Warriors scored 1.15 points per possession. With Steph, KD, Klay, and Draymond on court, it was an incredible 1.26 points per possession. It was an incredible offense. In 2018, Harden generated 1.22 in ISO. League average points in ISO in 2017–2019 has been between .86 and .87 points per possession. Harden’s scoring in ISO generated about 42% more points per possession than league wide average AND 6% more points per possession than the 2017 Warriors as a team did per possession. Steph/KD/Klay/Draymond on court in 2017 produced only 3% more points per possession than Harden did in 2018 dribbling the ball around and taking stepbacks. This is absolutely wild.

LukaTheGOAT · Post #14 » by **LukaTheGOAT** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:37 pm

3. CP3

4./5. Durant/Kawhi

6./7. Westbrook/Green

Ben AN · Post #15 » by **Ben AN** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:12 pm

I'd go KD, Kawhi, Westbrook, CP3 and Green in that order between those 5. I don't think Green was better than Harden, Dame, AD, George or Butler though.

OhayoKD · Post #16 » by **OhayoKD** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:56 pm

SpreeS wrote:
OhayoKD wrote:
SpreeS wrote:3. Kawhi
4. Durant
5. Paul
6. Green
7. westbrook

durant over westbrook?

So? I am not a fan of Westbrook palying style.

so are we ranking playing styles or play

parsnips33 · Post #17 » by **parsnips33** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:04 pm

I think I have KD over Russ too, mostly on the strength of his defense

TheGOATRises007 · Post #18 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Fri Sep 22, 2023 3:17 am

3. KD
4. Draymond
5. Westbrook
6. Kawhi
7. CP3

Can't really ignore CP3's injury. I think there's a very strong argument Kawhi was slightly more valuable than Westbrook in 2016 tbh, but it's splitting hairs either way.

2015-2016 Draymond is the most underrated season in modern NBA history. Could even argue he was 3rd(but you can't ignore the suspension in the finals).

dooki667 · Post #19 » by **dooki667** » Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:51 am

TheGOATRises007 wrote:3. KD
4. Draymond
5. Westbrook
6. Kawhi
7. CP3

Can't really ignore CP3's injury. I think there's a very strong argument Kawhi was slightly more valuable than Westbrook in 2016 tbh, but it's splitting hairs either way.

2015-2016 Draymond is the most underrated season in modern NBA history. Could even argue he was 3rd(but you can't ignore the suspension in the finals).

38.8% from three that year proceeds to immediately drop to 30.8% 30.1% 28.5% 27.9% :confused:

wafflzgod · Post #20 » by **wafflzgod** » Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:42 am

rk2023 wrote:Curry would be my clear 2nd, LBJ my clear 1st.

After that, Durant Kawhi Green Westbrook Paul would be my 3-7 - though I’m not quite sure how I would order them (hence the question).

How would you all rank these 5?

My top 6 would be
1.) James
2.) Curry
3.) Durant
4.) Paul
5.) Leonard
6.) Westbrook

#7 to me would be between Green, Harden, and Davis. Do wonder how Green's outlier shooting and playing in a perfect situation to maximize his skillset/impact should weigh into this. I'd personally go Green here but could be argued into taking any of the 3.