The Brock Purdy Thread

[Big J]

It is incredibly hard to win a ring no matter who your QB is

Yea, but it's the one position that you don't want to have someone who is limited playing it.

I'll just say I personally think the supposed arm-stremgth limitation or lack of deep ball is coachable and can evolve, seeing as hes only 23. Should be an interesting ride this season.

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He’s never going to have the same level of tools as the top level QBs in this league though.

[Samurai]

I think I'd be happier with a guy who only has a 10-foot ceiling but is able to reach the 8 or 9 foot mark than a guy with a 15-foot ceiling but doesn't get past 3 feet off the floor.

[Big J]

I think I'd be happier with a guy who only has a 10-foot ceiling but is able to reach the 8 or 9 foot mark than a guy with a 15-foot ceiling but doesn't get past 3 feet off the floor.

Well obviously anyone would choose that, but the problem is that the floor for winning a ring is a 12.

[CrimsonCrew]

Yea, but it's the one position that you don't want to have someone who is limited playing it.

I'll just say I personally think the supposed arm-stremgth limitation or lack of deep ball is coachable and can evolve, seeing as hes only 23. Should be an interesting ride this season.

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He’s never going to have the same level of tools as the top level QBs in this league though.

So, recognition speed, accuracy, the ability to throw off platform, the ability to deliver the ball with pressure in your face, are all skills. The first two are arguably the most important skills for an elite QB to possess. That's why so many "physically" dominant players like Cam Newton, Jamarcus Russell, or hell, Sam Bradford or Sam Darnold, never pan out. Purdy sure seems to have those skills in spades. Can he be a dominant QB despite lacking dominant skills? I don't know, but I think we need to find out.

Again, Tom Brady is the universally recognized GOAT. Other than being pretty tall, he has no identifiable elite (or even above average) physical trait. So maybe there's more to the position than the purely physical stuff.

[Big J]

I'll just say I personally think the supposed arm-stremgth limitation or lack of deep ball is coachable and can evolve, seeing as hes only 23. Should be an interesting ride this season.

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He’s never going to have the same level of tools as the top level QBs in this league though.

So, recognition speed, accuracy, the ability to throw off platform, the ability to deliver the ball with pressure in your face, are all skills. The first two are arguably the most important skills for an elite QB to possess. That's why so many "physically" dominant players like Cam Newton, Jamarcus Russell, or hell, Sam Bradford or Sam Darnold, never pan out. Purdy sure seems to have those skills in spades. Can he be a dominant QB despite lacking dominant skills? I don't know, but I think we need to find out.

Again, Tom Brady is the universally recognized GOAT. Other than being pretty tall, he has no identifiable elite (or even above average) physical trait. So maybe there's more to the position than the purely physical stuff.

Tons of average QB's have the skills that Purdy has. You could say that Gardner Minshew has those same skills in spades as well. Purdy just looks a lot better than them right now because he has CMC, Deebo, Kittle & Aiyuk catching passes from him.

[CrimsonCrew]

He’s never going to have the same level of tools as the top level QBs in this league though.

So, recognition speed, accuracy, the ability to throw off platform, the ability to deliver the ball with pressure in your face, are all skills. The first two are arguably the most important skills for an elite QB to possess. That's why so many "physically" dominant players like Cam Newton, Jamarcus Russell, or hell, Sam Bradford or Sam Darnold, never pan out. Purdy sure seems to have those skills in spades. Can he be a dominant QB despite lacking dominant skills? I don't know, but I think we need to find out.

Again, Tom Brady is the universally recognized GOAT. Other than being pretty tall, he has no identifiable elite (or even above average) physical trait. So maybe there's more to the position than the purely physical stuff.

Tons of average QB's have the skills that Purdy has. You could say that Gardner Minshew has those same skills in spades as well. Purdy just looks a lot better than them right now because he has CMC, Deebo, Kittle & Aiyuk catching passes from him.

I haven't watched a whole lot of Gardner Minshew, but he didn't play particularly well with a supporting cast that is very comparable to the Niners last year. As you've pointed out, he was stepping into an offense that had a lot of QB run concepts that they couldn't run with him, but it's not like the playbook was devoid of straightforward pass plays. He had the best OL in football, a top-5 WR duo, a top-5 TE, and a good stable of RBs. And he was awful against the Saints last year. Better against Dallas, but in those two games, he threw three INTs and fumbled four times. He was pretty bad in two of four starts for the Eagles in 2021 and 2022.

This Niners' offensive supporting cast is awfully good, but it's not unprecedented. Particularly given fairly shaky OL play. What is unprecedented is the start to Purdy's career.

And again, what physical skill made Brady so great? What about Brees? Hell, what unique physical trait made Montana great?

[Big J]

So, recognition speed, accuracy, the ability to throw off platform, the ability to deliver the ball with pressure in your face, are all skills. The first two are arguably the most important skills for an elite QB to possess. That's why so many "physically" dominant players like Cam Newton, Jamarcus Russell, or hell, Sam Bradford or Sam Darnold, never pan out. Purdy sure seems to have those skills in spades. Can he be a dominant QB despite lacking dominant skills? I don't know, but I think we need to find out.

Again, Tom Brady is the universally recognized GOAT. Other than being pretty tall, he has no identifiable elite (or even above average) physical trait. So maybe there's more to the position than the purely physical stuff.

Tons of average QB's have the skills that Purdy has. You could say that Gardner Minshew has those same skills in spades as well. Purdy just looks a lot better than them right now because he has CMC, Deebo, Kittle & Aiyuk catching passes from him.

I haven't watched a whole lot of Gardner Minshew, but he didn't play particularly well with a supporting cast that is very comparable to the Niners last year. As you've pointed out, he was stepping into an offense that had a lot of QB run concepts that they couldn't run with him, but it's not like the playbook was devoid of straightforward pass plays. He had the best OL in football, a top-5 WR duo, a top-5 TE, and a good stable of RBs. And he was awful against the Saints last year. Better against Dallas, but in those two games, he threw three INTs and fumbled four times. He was pretty bad in two of four starts for the Eagles in 2021 and 2022.

This Niners' offensive supporting cast is awfully good, but it's not unprecedented. Particularly given fairly shaky OL play. What is unprecedented is the start to Purdy's career.

And again, what physical skill made Brady so great? What about Brees? Hell, what unique physical trait made Montana great?

Well, beyond just great playmakers Purdy also has probably the best offensive coach in the league. Kyle took Matty Ass & Jimmy G to Superbowls and had RG3 taking his team to the playoffs as a rookie looking like Lamar Jackson.

[Samurai]

I think I'd be happier with a guy who only has a 10-foot ceiling but is able to reach the 8 or 9 foot mark than a guy with a 15-foot ceiling but doesn't get past 3 feet off the floor.

Well obviously anyone would choose that, but the problem is that the floor for winning a ring is a 12.

Yes, good point! Trent Dilfer was probably a 13 but Brad Johnson may have only been a 12.

[Big J]

I think I'd be happier with a guy who only has a 10-foot ceiling but is able to reach the 8 or 9 foot mark than a guy with a 15-foot ceiling but doesn't get past 3 feet off the floor.

Well obviously anyone would choose that, but the problem is that the floor for winning a ring is a 12.

Yes, good point! Trent Dilfer was probably a 13 but Brad Johnson may have only been a 12.

Those guys played in an era where defenses were allowed to get away with way more against star QBs & WRs.

[Pattersonca65]

I think I'd be happier with a guy who only has a 10-foot ceiling but is able to reach the 8 or 9 foot mark than a guy with a 15-foot ceiling but doesn't get past 3 feet off the floor.

Yea. The 49ers should have went with the guy that doesn't even understand basic concepts. Bit he can throw the ball 60 yards. That would have gotten the 49ers to the super bowl

[CharityStripe34]

The only thing we know is that we don't know anything. Enjoy the ride and see what happens.

[SK21209]

Mahomes
Stafford
Brady
Wentz / Foles
Manning (washed)
Wilson

Those are the QBs to win a Super Bowl the last 10 years. Brady and Mahomes are probably the two best to ever do it, but the others were good but “limited” QBs that took care of the ball, played within an offensive system and complimented a great defense. Purdy is absolutely good enough to take us all the way IMO.

[arich35]

Tons of average QB's have the skills that Purdy has. You could say that Gardner Minshew has those same skills in spades as well. Purdy just looks a lot better than them right now because he has CMC, Deebo, Kittle & Aiyuk catching passes from him.

I haven't watched a whole lot of Gardner Minshew, but he didn't play particularly well with a supporting cast that is very comparable to the Niners last year. As you've pointed out, he was stepping into an offense that had a lot of QB run concepts that they couldn't run with him, but it's not like the playbook was devoid of straightforward pass plays. He had the best OL in football, a top-5 WR duo, a top-5 TE, and a good stable of RBs. And he was awful against the Saints last year. Better against Dallas, but in those two games, he threw three INTs and fumbled four times. He was pretty bad in two of four starts for the Eagles in 2021 and 2022.

This Niners' offensive supporting cast is awfully good, but it's not unprecedented. Particularly given fairly shaky OL play. What is unprecedented is the start to Purdy's career.

And again, what physical skill made Brady so great? What about Brees? Hell, what unique physical trait made Montana great?

Well, beyond just great playmakers Purdy also has probably the best offensive coach in the league. Kyle took Matty Ass & Jimmy G to Superbowls and had RG3 taking his team to the playoffs as a rookie looking like Lamar Jackson.

Are you just going to keep penalizing Purdy because of everything this team has? He still needs to be good enough to run the offense and lead the team. The guys on the team respect him even being so young and in the league for less than 2 years.

[Pattersonca65]

I haven't watched a whole lot of Gardner Minshew, but he didn't play particularly well with a supporting cast that is very comparable to the Niners last year. As you've pointed out, he was stepping into an offense that had a lot of QB run concepts that they couldn't run with him, but it's not like the playbook was devoid of straightforward pass plays. He had the best OL in football, a top-5 WR duo, a top-5 TE, and a good stable of RBs. And he was awful against the Saints last year. Better against Dallas, but in those two games, he threw three INTs and fumbled four times. He was pretty bad in two of four starts for the Eagles in 2021 and 2022.

This Niners' offensive supporting cast is awfully good, but it's not unprecedented. Particularly given fairly shaky OL play. What is unprecedented is the start to Purdy's career.

And again, what physical skill made Brady so great? What about Brees? Hell, what unique physical trait made Montana great?

Well, beyond just great playmakers Purdy also has probably the best offensive coach in the league. Kyle took Matty Ass & Jimmy G to Superbowls and had RG3 taking his team to the playoffs as a rookie looking like Lamar Jackson.

Are you just going to keep penalizing Purdy because of everything this team has? He still needs to be good enough to run the offense and lead the team. The guys on the team respect him even being so young and in the league for less than 2 years.

No, the 49ers should have stuck with the raw guy that can't read defenses or execute Shanahan's basic plays consistently because he can throw a ball in practice 60 yards and has all this " potential " that might come to fruition in three years. Shanahan apparently doesn't know who is best to execute his offense and he can't see what is going on with his own team.

[CrimsonCrew]

Mahomes
Stafford
Brady
Wentz / Foles
Manning (washed)
Wilson

Those are the QBs to win a Super Bowl the last 10 years. Brady and Mahomes are probably the two best to ever do it, but the others were good but “limited” QBs that took care of the ball, played within an offensive system and complimented a great defense. Purdy is absolutely good enough to take us all the way IMO.

Yeah, it's a fair point. Several of those guys had elite traits. Stafford and Wilson have elite arms, but Mahomes is the only one who is pretty close to elite all-around (not an elite runner, but more than mobile enough). And Stafford and Wilson had other issues, Stafford with poor decision-making and turnovers, and Wilson with reading the field, consistent play within the structure of an offense, etc. Hard to say that Foles, Manning (second time; he had good not elite arm strength earlier in his career), or Brady had any elite physical tools when they won their more recent titles.

[CrimsonCrew]

Well, beyond just great playmakers Purdy also has probably the best offensive coach in the league. Kyle took Matty Ass & Jimmy G to Superbowls and had RG3 taking his team to the playoffs as a rookie looking like Lamar Jackson.

Are you just going to keep penalizing Purdy because of everything this team has? He still needs to be good enough to run the offense and lead the team. The guys on the team respect him even being so young and in the league for less than 2 years.

No, the 49ers should have stuck with the raw guy that can't read defenses or execute Shanahan's basic plays consistently because he can throw a ball in practice 60 yards and has all this " potential " that might come to fruition in three years. Shanahan apparently doesn't know who is best to execute his offense and he can't see what is going on with his own team.

To be fair, Shanahan has made quite a few god-awful decisions where the QB position is concerned (Hoyer, passing on Mahomes and Watson, trading up for Beathard, arguably extending Jimmy with the contract he gave him, all things Trey Lance, going with Sudfeld as the primary backup, Darnold TBD), so I don't think it's entirely unfair to question his judgment there.

[Pattersonca65]

Are you just going to keep penalizing Purdy because of everything this team has? He still needs to be good enough to run the offense and lead the team. The guys on the team respect him even being so young and in the league for less than 2 years.

No, the 49ers should have stuck with the raw guy that can't read defenses or execute Shanahan's basic plays consistently because he can throw a ball in practice 60 yards and has all this " potential " that might come to fruition in three years. Shanahan apparently doesn't know who is best to execute his offense and he can't see what is going on with his own team.

To be fair, Shanahan has made quite a few god-awful decisions where the QB position is concerned (Hoyer, passing on Mahomes and Watson, trading up for Beathard, arguably extending Jimmy with the contract he gave him, all things Trey Lance, going with Sudfeld as the primary backup, Darnold TBD), so I don't think it's entirely unfair to question his judgment there.

Sure. Shanahan can be fairly questioned on his selection of QBs based on what happened. The only one I don't mind as much was Hoyer based on where the team was at the time. But those are two different things. Player selection and determining who should start based on performance on the field.

[Big J]

Mahomes
Stafford
Brady
Wentz / Foles
Manning (washed)
Wilson

Those are the QBs to win a Super Bowl the last 10 years. Brady and Mahomes are probably the two best to ever do it, but the others were good but “limited” QBs that took care of the ball, played within an offensive system and complimented a great defense. Purdy is absolutely good enough to take us all the way IMO.

All of these guys besides Foles had elite skills.

Stafford - arm
Brady - all around talent
Manning - brain
Wilson - legs/escapability

Even Foles has height which Purdy lacks.

[CrimsonCrew]

Mahomes
Stafford
Brady
Wentz / Foles
Manning (washed)
Wilson

Those are the QBs to win a Super Bowl the last 10 years. Brady and Mahomes are probably the two best to ever do it, but the others were good but “limited” QBs that took care of the ball, played within an offensive system and complimented a great defense. Purdy is absolutely good enough to take us all the way IMO.

All of these guys besides Foles had elite skills.

Stafford - arm
Brady - all around talent
Manning - brain
Wilson - legs/escapability

Even Foles has height which Purdy lacks.

Brady had all around talent? What physical talent? League minimum athleticism. No bulk (he added muscle throughout his career but was always slight for his height). Well below average NFL starting QB arm strength. The only physical area where he was even average was his height.

And Purdy may very well have a special brain. His recognition and decision making have been extraordinary for a guy with his level of experience. No reason at all to think that he's maxed out mentally.

[SK21209]

Mahomes
Stafford
Brady
Wentz / Foles
Manning (washed)
Wilson

Those are the QBs to win a Super Bowl the last 10 years. Brady and Mahomes are probably the two best to ever do it, but the others were good but “limited” QBs that took care of the ball, played within an offensive system and complimented a great defense. Purdy is absolutely good enough to take us all the way IMO.

All of these guys besides Foles had elite skills.

Stafford - arm
Brady - all around talent
Manning - brain
Wilson - legs/escapability

Even Foles has height which Purdy lacks.

Brady had all around talent? What physical talent? League minimum athleticism. No bulk (he added muscle throughout his career but was always slight for his height). Well below average NFL starting QB arm strength. The only physical area where he was even average was his height.

And Purdy may very well have a special brain. His recognition and decision making have been extraordinary for a guy with his level of experience. No reason at all to think that he's maxed out mentally.

Purdy's strength is playing within Shanahan's system 95% of the time and making correct, decisive decisions, but also having that 5% improvisational ability when things go off schedule. That's really hard to do. At one extreme is a guy like Fields, who has all the physical talent in the world but just cannot be decisive and deliver the ball within a structure. The other extreme is someone like Jimmy, who needs to be on schedule and starts to panic when he's thrown off that schedule. There a lot of other QBs with more physical talent than Purdy, but I don't know if there are 10 QBs that I trust more than Purdy to strike that balance.