Trade Talk (Part Thirteen): 2023 Offseason Edition

[TimberKat]

I get that Minnesota needs a "PG of the future" but are either Graham or Vincent even better options than Shake Milton?

Definitely not , but that SAS first could be a gold mine though, if it’s lightly protected.

No protection whatsoever.

Graham is only a PG because he is 6-1, so I keep Naz. Vincent is a maybe, I haven't seen enough of him.

[Domejandro]

Absolutely no world in which a team trades an unprotected first round draft pick for Naz Reid.

[KGdaBom]

Absolutely no world in which a team trades an unprotected first round draft pick for Naz Reid.

Probably not so we don't trade him.

[Note30]

Absolutely no world in which a team trades an unprotected first round draft pick for Naz Reid.

...Doubt it. I think at his current contract given the state of the league he'd nab a UFRP

[Mamba4Goat]

If Naz is ever made available for a Pg Tyus has to be number 1 on the list of trade targets.

[Domejandro]

Absolutely no world in which a team trades an unprotected first round draft pick for Naz Reid.

...Doubt it. I think at his current contract given the state of the league he'd nab a UFRP

No hate, but if we seriously think that Naz Reid is netting an unprotected first round draft pick on a higher-than MLE salary, we have completely lost the plot. I could see a Playoff team offering a first for him around the deadline, but no shot would it be an unprotected one (especially from a team like San Antonio).

[Note30]

Absolutely no world in which a team trades an unprotected first round draft pick for Naz Reid.

...Doubt it. I think at his current contract given the state of the league he'd nab a UFRP

No hate, but if we seriously think that Naz Reid is netting an unprotected first round draft pick on a higher-than MLE salary, we have completely lost the plot. I could see a Playoff team offering a first for him around the deadline, but no shot would it be an unprotected one (especially from a team like San Antonio).

A playoff team definitely would offer a UFRP though. Naz is worth a post lottery pick atleast. #15-30? I think so.

He's barely higher than the MLE and one of the more difficult positions to find skilled players at.

Yeah he's not worth #1-14 atm but he could get there if his play improves as it has been and contracts continue to skyrocket.

[KGdaBom]

...Doubt it. I think at his current contract given the state of the league he'd nab a UFRP

No hate, but if we seriously think that Naz Reid is netting an unprotected first round draft pick on a higher-than MLE salary, we have completely lost the plot. I could see a Playoff team offering a first for him around the deadline, but no shot would it be an unprotected one (especially from a team like San Antonio).

A playoff team definitely would offer a UFRP though. Naz is worth a post lottery pick atleast. #15-30? I think so.

He's barely higher than the MLE and one of the more difficult positions to find skilled players at.

Yeah he's not worth #1-14 atm but he could get there if his play improves as it has been and contracts continue to skyrocket.

If it's a guaranteed playoff team no protection would need to be included, but the protection from it being a 1-14 pick is already built in by their playoff status. If it's a potential lottery team how much protection would be needed? Top 10 protected?

[Guest84]

I'm curious as to why Tyus keeps coming up. Like Rubio, we already had him and it didn't pan out. While I like his play style, I don't think he's a true starting pg or the pg we need for this team. Yes, he played well for Mem but he's not the answer.

But I also prefer to add more size/length, athleticism, etc to the lineup.

[shrink]

I'm curious as to why Tyus keeps coming up. Like Rubio, we already had him and it didn't pan out. While I like his play style, I don't think he's a true starting pg or the pg we need for this team. Yes, he played well for Mem but he's not the answer.

But I also prefer to add more size/length, athleticism, etc to the lineup.

1. Would it surprise you to know MIN was the fourth worst team for turnovers last year? We were worse than San Antonio, and worse than Detroit. Until last year, Tyus had led the NBA in AST/TO ratio for the previous four years.

2. Tyus was always a decent defender for his size, particularly in his ability to read passing lanes and get steals. But his main problem when he was here before was his inability to make three point shots. In MEM, he has shot 37-39% 3/4 years, while increasing his volume.

3. He is likely a top 25-35 PG, and has demonstrated he can win when the #1 guy goes down. Mike Conley will be 36 when the season starts, and we can’t rely on his health. Tyus could help keep Conley’s minutes safely lowered, without a significant drop in play.

4. One of the big problems MIN has faced in the past is getting decent players that want to be here. Tyus is from here, and the thinking is that he would want to re-sign. Adding Tyus might make him heir-apparent to the starting PG role next year, for the team he grew up rooting for - his dream job. He is already familiar with how to feed Towns. People like him.

Now, it might come down to us simply not being able to afford him next year. Getting Tyus likely means we have to let Kyle Anderson move on. We will have limited salary for complimentary players, and if Ant learns to pass (without all the turnovers), we might be able to scrimp by without a true point guard. That said, I think there are plenty of reasons to consider bringing Tyus home.

[Note30]

No hate, but if we seriously think that Naz Reid is netting an unprotected first round draft pick on a higher-than MLE salary, we have completely lost the plot. I could see a Playoff team offering a first for him around the deadline, but no shot would it be an unprotected one (especially from a team like San Antonio).

A playoff team definitely would offer a UFRP though. Naz is worth a post lottery pick atleast. #15-30? I think so.

He's barely higher than the MLE and one of the more difficult positions to find skilled players at.

Yeah he's not worth #1-14 atm but he could get there if his play improves as it has been and contracts continue to skyrocket.

If it's a guaranteed playoff team no protection would need to be included, but the protection from it being a 1-14 pick is already built in by their playoff status. If it's a potential lottery team how much protection would be needed? Top 10 protected?

Well then yeah, he probably wouldn't make it it'd be lottery protected.

[KGdaBom]

A playoff team definitely would offer a UFRP though. Naz is worth a post lottery pick atleast. #15-30? I think so.

He's barely higher than the MLE and one of the more difficult positions to find skilled players at.

Yeah he's not worth #1-14 atm but he could get there if his play improves as it has been and contracts continue to skyrocket.

If it's a guaranteed playoff team no protection would need to be included, but the protection from it being a 1-14 pick is already built in by their playoff status. If it's a potential lottery team how much protection would be needed? Top 10 protected?

Well then yeah, he probably wouldn't make it it'd be lottery protected.

We wouldn't trade him to a lottery team if the pick is protected for the entire lottery.

[Guest84]

I'm curious as to why Tyus keeps coming up. Like Rubio, we already had him and it didn't pan out. While I like his play style, I don't think he's a true starting pg or the pg we need for this team. Yes, he played well for Mem but he's not the answer.

But I also prefer to add more size/length, athleticism, etc to the lineup.

1. Would it surprise you to know MIN was the fourth worst team for turnovers last year? We were worse than San Antonio, and worse than Detroit. Until last year, Tyus had led the NBA in AST/TO ratio for the previous four years.

2. Tyus was always a decent defender for his size, particularly in his ability to read passing lanes and get steals. But his main problem when he was here before was his inability to make three point shots. In MEM, he has shot 37-39% 3/4 years, while increasing his volume.

3. He is likely a top 25-35 PG, and has demonstrated he can win when the #1 guy goes down. Mike Conley will be 36 when the season starts, and we can’t rely on his health. Tyus could help keep Conley’s minutes safely lowered, without a significant drop in play.

4. One of the big problems MIN has faced in the past is getting decent players that want to be here. Tyus is from here, and the thinking is that he would want to re-sign. Adding Tyus might make him heir-apparent to the starting PG role next year, for the team he grew up rooting for - his dream job. He is already familiar with how to feed Towns. People like him.

Now, it might come down to us simply not being able to afford him next year. Getting Tyus likely means we have to let Kyle Anderson move on. We will have limited salary for complimentary players, and if Ant learns to pass (without all the turnovers), we might be able to scrimp by without a true point guard. That said, I think there are plenty of reasons to consider bringing Tyus home.

All valid points. However, while he's gradually gotten better over the years, his production in the playoffs has dropped compared to his regular season performances. While playoff production made need to be taken with a grain of salt depending on how long a series can, I'm just not sold on bringing Tyus back. Also, just because someone is home grown, who's to say they actually want to be here?

In each of the last 4 years, his eFG%, apg have decreased while his TO has increased from the reg season to the playoffs. Now who's to say it wouldn't level out with him being the lead pg over time...I just prefer going a different route at the position.

[Nick K]

Definitely not , but that SAS first could be a gold mine though, if it’s lightly protected.

No protection whatsoever.

Graham is only a PG because he is 6-1, so I keep Naz. Vincent is a maybe, I haven't seen enough of him.

As far as I'm concerned Mike Conley can play another 3 years. He's the perfect fit here. I'll deal with the new franchise PG when the time comes.

[Nick K]

I'm curious as to why Tyus keeps coming up. Like Rubio, we already had him and it didn't pan out. While I like his play style, I don't think he's a true starting pg or the pg we need for this team. Yes, he played well for Mem but he's not the answer.

But I also prefer to add more size/length, athleticism, etc to the lineup.

I could not agree more with this. I've always been a big Tyus fan but he's underwhelming as a player. We can do better. Who knows, Shake might rattle our world.

[KGdaBom]

I'm curious as to why Tyus keeps coming up. Like Rubio, we already had him and it didn't pan out. While I like his play style, I don't think he's a true starting pg or the pg we need for this team. Yes, he played well for Mem but he's not the answer.

But I also prefer to add more size/length, athleticism, etc to the lineup.

I could not agree more with this. I've always been a big Tyus fan but he's underwhelming as a player. We can do better. Who knows, Shake might rattle our world.

Shake, Rattle and Roll Baby!!

[Klomp]

As far as I'm concerned Mike Conley can play another 3 years. He's the perfect fit here. I'll deal with the new franchise PG when the time comes.

I agree, I think Conley has a few more years in him before riding off into the sunset. However, he only has one more season on his current contract, so it is wise to be at least considering alternatives.

And while Conley may stick around, his minutes may not stay where they've been. It's worth pointing out that he averaged more minutes here than he did in any season in Utah. That might not be replicated. I will add that someone like Derek Fisher didn't see his role and playing time back off until his age 37 season, but that's still only one season away for Conley.

I do think he likes it here. I think the franchise is a good fit for him. I think he's a good fit for the franchise. I'm hopeful that he could re-sign next summer on a "value" deal, but that might be realistic with the way money has been thrown around lately. I believe he's extension-eligible, but I believe extensions have to be within a specific range of the final year of the existing contract (though I cannot corroborate this at the moment). I'd be thrilled with an AAV under $15 million, but I'm leaning more towards his next contract coming in closer to $20-25 million AAV.

[BlacJacMac]

No protection whatsoever.

Graham is only a PG because he is 6-1, so I keep Naz. Vincent is a maybe, I haven't seen enough of him.

As far as I'm concerned Mike Conley can play another 3 years. He's the perfect fit here. I'll deal with the new franchise PG when the time comes.

I'm sure he can play 3 more years. Provided 2 of them are as an outstanding back-up. Maybe you can squeeze an extra year of starting out of him if you bring him down to around 24 minutes.

But you're still going to need someone that can step in for 10-20 games - and you have to really hope his annual injuries don't come at Playoff time.

[BlacJacMac]

I will add that someone like Derek Fisher didn't see his role and playing time back off until his age 37 season, but that's still only one season away for Conley.

Derek Fisher was a virtual Iron Man.

Age 31: 82 Games.
Age 32: 82 Games
Age 33: 82 Games
Age 34: 82 Games
Age 35: 82 Games
Age 36: 82 Games
Age 37: 63 Games (66 Game shortened season)
Age 38: 33 Games (Left the game from Dec 22-Feb 25 to be closer to his family)
Age 39: 81 Games

Retired after the his Age 39 season.

[Nick K]

As far as I'm concerned Mike Conley can play another 3 years. He's the perfect fit here. I'll deal with the new franchise PG when the time comes.

I agree, I think Conley has a few more years in him before riding off into the sunset. However, he only has one more season on his current contract, so it is wise to be at least considering alternatives.

And while Conley may stick around, his minutes may not stay where they've been. It's worth pointing out that he averaged more minutes here than he did in any season in Utah. That might not be replicated. I will add that someone like Derek Fisher didn't see his role and playing time back off until his age 37 season, but that's still only one season away for Conley.

I do think he likes it here. I think the franchise is a good fit for him. I think he's a good fit for the franchise. I'm hopeful that he could re-sign next summer on a "value" deal, but that might be realistic with the way money has been thrown around lately. I believe he's extension-eligible, but I believe extensions have to be within a specific range of the final year of the existing contract (though I cannot corroborate this at the moment). I'd be thrilled with an AAV under $15 million, but I'm leaning more towards his next contract coming in closer to $20-25 million AAV.

Conley loves it here and this late in his career odds are high he takes a team friendly deal to finish his career.

More importantly, Conley's wife and kids love it here.