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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1941 » by Green89 » Thu Sep 21, 2023 3:41 pm

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ConstableGeneva wrote:I don't think we'd be in pursuit of Hield if the sticking point in Indy was his contract extension. He won't get that in Boston either. Same issue Brogdon would be facing. Cs already extended Brown and Porzingis. White up next (then Tatum next offseason). Gotta think there's some limit to ownership spending considering repeater tax is a nastier bitch with the new CBA.


If he has the opportunity to acquire him, Brad does this 10/10 times, regardless of what contract he wants next year. Adding Hield would make us unstoppable on offense. With him on the floor to end games, we'd give all coaches in the league nightmares. The chance of a title outweighs whether or not you can retain Hield next season.

Except Brogdon is better overall and fills a larger need. Only clear advantage of Hield is his durability. One of the few iron men in the league.

And as with Brogdon, Pacers will do good by Hield and send him to a team of his preference (as long as they're compensated fairly). I'd imagine Hield would prefer to join a team that's willing to extend him -- Orlando, for example.


Brogdon would be unhappy and looking over his shoulder all season through the trade deadline, waiting to know where he has to relocate to. Hield will love playing in his first playoffs and will be playing with $$$ in mind. The motivation is higher for Hield.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1942 » by Hal14 » Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:15 pm

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If he has the opportunity to acquire him, Brad does this 10/10 times, regardless of what contract he wants next year. Adding Hield would make us unstoppable on offense. With him on the floor to end games, we'd give all coaches in the league nightmares. The chance of a title outweighs whether or not you can retain Hield next season.

Except Brogdon is better overall and fills a larger need. Only clear advantage of Hield is his durability. One of the few iron men in the league.

And as with Brogdon, Pacers will do good by Hield and send him to a team of his preference (as long as they're compensated fairly). I'd imagine Hield would prefer to join a team that's willing to extend him -- Orlando, for example.


Brogdon would be unhappy and looking over his shoulder all season through the trade deadline, waiting to know where he has to relocate to. Hield will love playing in his first playoffs and will be playing with $$$ in mind. The motivation is higher for Hield.

That's all pure speculation.

Indy probably only trades him to a team where there's strong mutual interest in getting an extension done - since the reason why he's on the trading block is because they couldn't come to an agreement on an extension..
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1943 » by Green89 » Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:19 pm

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ConstableGeneva wrote:Except Brogdon is better overall and fills a larger need. Only clear advantage of Hield is his durability. One of the few iron men in the league.

And as with Brogdon, Pacers will do good by Hield and send him to a team of his preference (as long as they're compensated fairly). I'd imagine Hield would prefer to join a team that's willing to extend him -- Orlando, for example.


Brogdon would be unhappy and looking over his shoulder all season through the trade deadline, waiting to know where he has to relocate to. Hield will love playing in his first playoffs and will be playing with $$$ in mind. The motivation is higher for Hield.

That's all pure speculation.

Indy probably only trades him to a team where there's strong mutual interest in getting an extension done - since the reason why he's on the trading block is because they couldn't come to an agreement on an extension..


If he was to remain with us this year, he would absolutely be a trade piece at the deadline and talked about in deals.

And so you believe Hield would rather go to the Hornets and be guaranteed an extension, or head to an instant contender? The guy's played 7 years and hasn't seen a minute of playoff action. He currently ranks 6th in players with the most career games without a playoff appearance.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1944 » by Hal14 » Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:33 pm

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Brogdon would be unhappy and looking over his shoulder all season through the trade deadline, waiting to know where he has to relocate to. Hield will love playing in his first playoffs and will be playing with $$$ in mind. The motivation is higher for Hield.

That's all pure speculation.

Indy probably only trades him to a team where there's strong mutual interest in getting an extension done - since the reason why he's on the trading block is because they couldn't come to an agreement on an extension..


If he was to remain with us this year, he would absolutely be a trade piece at the deadline and talked about in deals.

And so you believe Hield would rather go to the Hornets and be guaranteed an extension, or head to an instant contender? The guy's played 7 years and hasn't seen a minute of playoff action. He currently ranks 6th in players with the most career games without a playoff appearance.

It's certainly possible that Brogdon stays with us all season and helps us raise Banner 18.

Who said anything about the Hornets? They have too many wings as it is - I doubt they would be one of the teams interested in trading for Hield.

Teams like the Rockets, Lakers, Sixers, Mavericks, Spurs, Bucks, Pelicans could all be in the running. Who knows, maybe even Cavs, Heat or Clippers.

Most of those teams could be more likely to give Hield an extension than the Celtics, considering we just signed JB to the supermax, signing Tatum to the supermax next summer, we just extended Porzingis and have White's extension coming up. Given those extensions and the ramifications of the new CBA, we probably can't add anyone else long term who is making over $20 mil a year..and Buddy likely wants at least $20 mil (maybe $25 mil or more) per year on his extension.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1945 » by Dogen » Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:37 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Shelburne hit job. Same **** Windhorst was spewing months ago. These are cronies of Lebron/Lakers/Klutch who have an agenda. Not buying it until Brogdon stomps on the leprechaun logo.


And check his gym bag for sage, too.
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Post#1946 » by Dogen » Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:42 pm

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Malcontent Brogdon is going to be a distraction all year.


Basically, the team is in the ECF, battling for their playoff lives in what could have been the greatest 0-3 comeback ever.

Is that the time period that Brogdon is referring to? If so, then it's a matter if he can go, or if he cannot. Is it any more complicated than that?

It would be good to hear from Malcolm once camps starts I guess. It's either a media hot take, or Brogdon is more of a prima donna than expected and the team doesn't need the distraction.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1947 » by Hal14 » Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:49 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273009/Austin-Rivers-Interested-In-Signing-With-Heat-Celtics

Austin Rivers was a guest on The Bill Simmons Podcast and he had a wide-ranging conversation with Simmons about his career, the NBA and basketball in general. When the topic of him being unsigned came up, Rivers admitted he was surprised, but said there are two teams he has his eyes on.

The veteran guard said he'd like to play for the Miami Heat. Rivers noted that if Miami trades for Damian Lillard, they will likely have several roster spots to fill, so he's being patient and watching that situation.

Rivers also said he'd like to play for the Boston Celtics. He noted that he reached out to Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens directly. He said that he and Stevens had a "great talk" and agreed to see where things were at down the line.

Pull the trigger, Brad. Sign Rivers...or lamar Stevens.

My preference is for Lamar, because I think he's a better locker room/culture fit, helps to fill a leadership void, has more size and is a better, more versatile defender. I think Rivers is kind of nuts, kind of a loose cannon, might not be so happy with a reduced role..

But I wouldn't hate it if we signed Rivers, since he's the better shooter, passer, ball handler and the more proven playoff performer.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1948 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:50 pm

Rule of thumb has always been reports that support your biases are 100% true. Otherwise, those reports are unsourced garbage.
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Post#1949 » by playa-hater » Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:57 pm

This feels like July all over again..

Someone trade someone already!!
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1950 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:02 pm

Brogdon is so upset with the Celtics and the handling of his injury that he's working out with his teammates more than a month early.

Even some of the newer Celtics are starting to get work in. Guard Jay Scrubb told Celtics Blog’s Adam Taylor that he, rookie forward Jordan Walsh and guards JD Davison and Dalano Banton have been working out together, and have also traveled to Atlanta to work out with guard Malcolm Brogdon and center Al Horford.


Anyway, Brogdon does look disappointed here while Stevens is trying to make amends. Stocky Jon Hamm looks on for some reason.

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Post#1951 » by 165bows » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:11 pm

Dogen wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
MeanGeraldGreen wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Malcontent Brogdon is going to be a distraction all year.


Basically, the team is in the ECF, battling for their playoff lives in what could have been the greatest 0-3 comeback ever.

Is that the time period that Brogdon is referring to? If so, then it's a matter if he can go, or if he cannot. Is it any more complicated than that?

It would be good to hear from Malcolm once camps starts I guess. It's either a media hot take, or Brogdon is more of a prima donna than expected and the team doesn't need the distraction.

Or could be both!
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1952 » by Hal14 » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:12 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:Brogdon is so upset with the Celtics and the handling of his injury that he's working out with his teammates more than a month early.

Even some of the newer Celtics are starting to get work in. Guard Jay Scrubb told Celtics Blog’s Adam Taylor that he, rookie forward Jordan Walsh and guards JD Davison and Dalano Banton have been working out together, and have also traveled to Atlanta to work out with guard Malcolm Brogdon and center Al Horford.


Anyway, Brogdon does look disappointed here while Stevens is trying to make amends. Stocky Jon Hamm looks on for some reason.

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Post#1953 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:23 pm

Read on Twitter

Not sure about the Hornets, but I agree with the overall point.
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Post#1954 » by GoCeltics123 » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:25 pm

Today is the one-year anniversary of the Ime Udoka stuff coming out btw
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Post#1955 » by 165bows » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:27 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:
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Not sure about the Hornets, but I agree with the overall point.

Don’t the Thunder already have a million guards?
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Post#1956 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:34 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:Today is the one-year anniversary of the Ime Udoka stuff coming out btw


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Post#1957 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:35 pm

165bows wrote:
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Read on Twitter

Not sure about the Hornets, but I agree with the overall point.

Don’t the Thunder already have a million guards?

Don't really know much about their roster but their team could probably use more shooting (have Isaiah Joe, added Bertans) and a few veterans.
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Post#1958 » by BK_2020 » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:36 pm

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If he has the opportunity to acquire him, Brad does this 10/10 times, regardless of what contract he wants next year. Adding Hield would make us unstoppable on offense. With him on the floor to end games, we'd give all coaches in the league nightmares. The chance of a title outweighs whether or not you can retain Hield next season.

Except Brogdon is better overall and fills a larger need. Only clear advantage of Hield is his durability. One of the few iron men in the league.

And as with Brogdon, Pacers will do good by Hield and send him to a team of his preference (as long as they're compensated fairly). I'd imagine Hield would prefer to join a team that's willing to extend him -- Orlando, for example.


Brogdon would be unhappy and looking over his shoulder all season through the trade deadline, waiting to know where he has to relocate to. Hield will love playing in his first playoffs and will be playing with $$$ in mind. The motivation is higher for Hield.

Why is the motivation higher for Hield? They are both in the final year of their contracts.
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Post#1959 » by Celts17Pride » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:37 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
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ConstableGeneva wrote:Except Brogdon is better overall and fills a larger need. Only clear advantage of Hield is his durability. One of the few iron men in the league.

And as with Brogdon, Pacers will do good by Hield and send him to a team of his preference (as long as they're compensated fairly). I'd imagine Hield would prefer to join a team that's willing to extend him -- Orlando, for example.


Brogdon would be unhappy and looking over his shoulder all season through the trade deadline, waiting to know where he has to relocate to. Hield will love playing in his first playoffs and will be playing with $$$ in mind. The motivation is higher for Hield.

Why is the motivation higher for Hield? They are both in the final year of their contracts.

Brogdon is not an expiring contract.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1960 » by MeanGeraldGreen » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:38 pm

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Not sure about the Hornets, but I agree with the overall point.


He makes a ton of sense for the Magic, who desperately need outside shooting.

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