Dame requests a trade.

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We might be seeing a bit of spite from the Blazers here with how insane the lowball offers were early on. I don't think they are trying to piss Dame off by sending him elsewhere I think they were upset with Miami trying to take advantage early on.

Keep in mind they seem hellbent on sending Dame anywhere else unless Miami starts really putting their best offer forward.

I want to think I’m wrong, but I think a lot of this talk of the Blazers talking to other teams, not talking to Miami, etc… I think it’s kinda bull-ish. I don’t even think they’re hell bent on sending Dame elsewhere, I think Cronin is doing everything he can to not get bullied and pushed around by Riley, but knowing how the league works and how teams use media spokespeople now… all this stuff of “Blazers won’t work with Miami and talking to multiple other teams about Dame trades…”. This just reminds me of pre-draft talks when the Blazers were in “talks” for guys like Zion for the #3, offering big deals for Bam or Bridges…. It feels like they’re more worried about winning the media war then the actual war.

I legit will not be surprised if the deal ends up just Portland and Miami, Blazers get Lowry, Jovic and 2 firsts for Dame. Followed by a pitiful Cronin press conference where he says they exhausted every possible opportunity but their hands were tied… blah blah blah (even if it’s true).

Cronin doesn’t want to get showed up by Riley. That’s what ALL this is (with the Ayton stuff esp). They only way he’s going to go toe to toe with Riley is take this into the season. Let it get messy and uncomfortable. The good GMs will do that. Morey, Whitsitt, Riley, Ainge… they will do that. Morey doesn’t care if a player sits out, Whitsitt was willing to take PR heat if it made for a good team, Riley and Ainge would let a franchise “piller” walk or trade them for the betterment of a franchise.

Cronin gives me zero confidence he has it in him to make stuff that messy and uncomfortable. I think he will reason with himself “well at least we got this resolved before camp”, even if it’s a bad deal.

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We might be seeing a bit of spite from the Blazers here with how insane the lowball offers were early on. I don't think they are trying to piss Dame off by sending him elsewhere I think they were upset with Miami trying to take advantage early on.

Keep in mind they seem hellbent on sending Dame anywhere else unless Miami starts really putting their best offer forward.

I want to think I’m wrong, but I think a lot of this talk of the Blazers talking to other teams, not talking to Miami, etc… I think it’s kinda bull-ish. I don’t even think they’re hell bent on sending Dame elsewhere, I think Cronin is doing everything he can to not get bullied and pushed around by Riley, but knowing how the league works and how teams use media spokespeople now… all this stuff of “Blazers won’t work with Miami and talking to multiple other teams about Dame trades…”. This just reminds me of pre-draft talks when the Blazers were in “talks” for guys like Zion for the #3, offering big deals for Bam or Bridges…. It feels like they’re more worried about winning the media war then the actual war.

I legit will not be surprised if the deal ends up just Portland and Miami, Blazers get Lowry, Jovic and 2 firsts for Dame. Followed by a pitiful Cronin press conference where he says they exhausted every possible opportunity but their hands were tied… blah blah blah (even if it’s true).

Cronin doesn’t want to get showed up by Riley. That’s what ALL this is (with the Ayton stuff esp). They only way he’s going to go toe to toe with Riley is take this into the season. Let it get messy and uncomfortable. The good GMs will do that. Morey, Whitsitt, Riley, Ainge… they will do that. Morey doesn’t care if a player sits out, Whitsitt was willing to take PR heat if it made for a good team, Riley and Ainge would let a franchise “piller” walk or trade them for the betterment of a franchise.

Cronin gives me zero confidence he has it in him to make stuff that messy and uncomfortable. I think he will reason with himself “well at least we got this resolved before camp”, even if it’s a bad deal.

That might be the case but I have a feeling with all the rumors of more teams I highly doubt he is just sitting there and doing nothing or facing brick walls everywhere.

Sure that might be the case but there has to be at least a few teams willing to trade for Dame, and make a reasonable offer. Keep in mind the whole trading the #3 pick thing we never heard this level of rumors, it was mostly Cronin explaining after the fact. That just shows for that deal there was no fire on anything otherwise we would have heard more rumblings about the Blazers making a big move.

I think the Blazers at that time were hedging their bets because they were afraid an all-in move with Dame would not work out well long term. You can blame Cronin that is well within your rights but if I was looking for long term success I think staying with Sharpe Simons and Scoot will pay much higher dividends then going for a win-now move with Dame.

[DusterBuster]

We might be seeing a bit of spite from the Blazers here with how insane the lowball offers were early on. I don't think they are trying to piss Dame off by sending him elsewhere I think they were upset with Miami trying to take advantage early on.

Keep in mind they seem hellbent on sending Dame anywhere else unless Miami starts really putting their best offer forward.

I want to think I’m wrong, but I think a lot of this talk of the Blazers talking to other teams, not talking to Miami, etc… I think it’s kinda bull-ish. I don’t even think they’re hell bent on sending Dame elsewhere, I think Cronin is doing everything he can to not get bullied and pushed around by Riley, but knowing how the league works and how teams use media spokespeople now… all this stuff of “Blazers won’t work with Miami and talking to multiple other teams about Dame trades…”. This just reminds me of pre-draft talks when the Blazers were in “talks” for guys like Zion for the #3, offering big deals for Bam or Bridges…. It feels like they’re more worried about winning the media war then the actual war.

I legit will not be surprised if the deal ends up just Portland and Miami, Blazers get Lowry, Jovic and 2 firsts for Dame. Followed by a pitiful Cronin press conference where he says they exhausted every possible opportunity but their hands were tied… blah blah blah (even if it’s true).

Cronin doesn’t want to get showed up by Riley. That’s what ALL this is (with the Ayton stuff esp). They only way he’s going to go toe to toe with Riley is take this into the season. Let it get messy and uncomfortable. The good GMs will do that. Morey, Whitsitt, Riley, Ainge… they will do that. Morey doesn’t care if a player sits out, Whitsitt was willing to take PR heat if it made for a good team, Riley and Ainge would let a franchise “piller” walk or trade them for the betterment of a franchise.

Cronin gives me zero confidence he has it in him to make stuff that messy and uncomfortable. I think he will reason with himself “well at least we got this resolved before camp”, even if it’s a bad deal.

That might be the case but I have a feeling with all the rumors of more teams I highly doubt he is just sitting there and doing nothing or facing brick walls everywhere.

Sure that might be the case but there has to be at least a few teams willing to trade for Dame, and make a reasonable offer. Keep in mind the whole trading the #3 pick thing we never heard this level of rumors, it was mostly Cronin explaining after the fact. That just shows for that deal there was no fire on anything otherwise we would have heard more rumblings about the Blazers making a big move.

I think the Blazers at that time were hedging their bets because they were afraid an all-in move with Dame would not work out well long term. You can blame Cronin that is well within your rights but if I was looking for long term success I think staying with Sharpe Simons and Scoot will pay much higher dividends then going for a win-now move with Dame.

Oh yeah, I’m not saying he’s doing nothing. I think he’s doing this due diligence and trying. I also think he knows there’s not much out there and his hands are tied, so he’s trying to win the PR / Social war. He did the same thing at the draft, and this is feeling much the same.

[m0ng0]

If I was to blame anybody it's Dame and his agent for putting his GM in an unwinnable situation. Cronin played along but the clock is ticking, after summer break it seems they said screw it let's find a deal with whomever makes the best offer. Which was my opinion from the get go.

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Looks like we do have at least 4 teams interested in Herro from reports if we do end up getting him. So that is an nice consolation prize if it does indeed end up being Miami in any capacity.

Now who knows what the offers would like for Herro but that is something.

[m0ng0]

Looks like we do have at least 4 teams interested in Herro from reports if we do end up getting him. So that is an nice consolation prize if it does indeed end up being Miami in any capacity.

Now who knows what the offers would like for Herro but that is something.

What is your source on that? I'm not that savvy on these rumors, not really on Twitter

[monopoman]

Looks like we do have at least 4 teams interested in Herro from reports if we do end up getting him. So that is an nice consolation prize if it does indeed end up being Miami in any capacity.

Now who knows what the offers would like for Herro but that is something.

What is your source on that? I'm not that savvy on these rumors, not really on Twitter

Just saw it on the RealGM feed of Basketball rumors, it should be in their section for news.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273025/Jazz-Bulls-Hornets-Nets-Interested-In-Acquiring-Tyler-Herro

I also hate using Twitter I get all my rumors from here and Reddit and if you scour enough and pay attention you can still find most of them quickly.

[m0ng0]

Excellent, thanks! I always thought Reddit was for old ladies who went to buy yarn animals.

[monopoman]

Excellent, thanks! I always thought Reddit was for old ladies who went to buy yarn animals.

Nah it's probably the biggest site for forum type discussion like this, it can be a bit more annoying to navigate with how they sort things though.

Almost every major interest be it random video games including precise titles or series, sports, etc. has a pretty damn active userbase there.

[DusterBuster]

Looks like we do have at least 4 teams interested in Herro from reports if we do end up getting him. So that is an nice consolation prize if it does indeed end up being Miami in any capacity.

Now who knows what the offers would like for Herro but that is something.

What is your source on that? I'm not that savvy on these rumors, not really on Twitter

Just saw it on the RealGM feed of Basketball rumors, it should be in their section for news.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273025/Jazz-Bulls-Hornets-Nets-Interested-In-Acquiring-Tyler-Herro

I also hate using Twitter I get all my rumors from here and Reddit and if you scour enough and pay attention you can still find most of them quickly.

RealGM gets all their rumors from twitter. The internet is a snake eating its own tail. What you see here is just from Podcasts / radio shows first, then twitter, then here given someone has to physically make a post on this CMS. RealGM is no more factual than anything else online.

[JRoy]

Excellent, thanks! I always thought Reddit was for old ladies who went to buy yarn animals.

Deviants too stupid for 4 Chan have to go somewhere.

[monopoman]

What is your source on that? I'm not that savvy on these rumors, not really on Twitter

Just saw it on the RealGM feed of Basketball rumors, it should be in their section for news.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273025/Jazz-Bulls-Hornets-Nets-Interested-In-Acquiring-Tyler-Herro

I also hate using Twitter I get all my rumors from here and Reddit and if you scour enough and pay attention you can still find most of them quickly.

RealGM gets all their rumors from twitter. The internet is a snake eating its own tail. What you see here is just from Podcasts / radio shows first, then twitter, then here given someone has to physically make a post on this CMS. RealGM is no more factual than anything else online.

Yeah I see the twitter posts linked in threads like this and others, my only point was I personally do not go on Twitter I don't like using it so I ignore it. I get mine second hand by people on here posting the Tweets on RealGM. I never got into Twitter and from the horror stories I hear about it I am glad I never did.

I also try to look at the source when I see a Twitter post, we had one recently that was going around where some Miami Heat beat writer claimed Dame would immediately demand a trade if traded to any team not named Miami. I felt that tweet was trying to push a narrative that Dame is not even worth trading for if you are any other team and it heavily benefited the Heat so I ignored it.

I'm not saying I don't technically get info from Twitter, I realize many of the insiders use Twitter to post their rumors.

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Just saw it on the RealGM feed of Basketball rumors, it should be in their section for news.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273025/Jazz-Bulls-Hornets-Nets-Interested-In-Acquiring-Tyler-Herro

I also hate using Twitter I get all my rumors from here and Reddit and if you scour enough and pay attention you can still find most of them quickly.

RealGM gets all their rumors from twitter. The internet is a snake eating its own tail. What you see here is just from Podcasts / radio shows first, then twitter, then here given someone has to physically make a post on this CMS. RealGM is no more factual than anything else online.

Yeah I see the twitter posts linked in threads like this and others, my only point was I personally do not go on Twitter I don't like using it so I ignore it. I get mine second hand by people on here posting the Tweets on RealGM. I never got into Twitter and from the horror stories I hear about it I am glad I never did.

I also try to look at the source when I see a Twitter post, we had one recently that was going around where some Miami Heat beat writer claimed Dame would immediately demand a trade if traded to any team not named Miami. I felt that tweet was trying to push a narrative that Dame is not even worth trading for if you are any other team and it heavily benefited the Heat so I ignored it.

I'm not saying I don't technically get info from Twitter, I realize many of the insiders use Twitter to post their rumors.

Oh god yeah, twitter (now X?) is hot ****. It’s a cesspool. Good to get early info, but makes you read between the lines or sniff out bull-shitters even faster.

Not meaning to call you out or nothing, just that the NBA rumor mill era has peaked. We’re post-Avengers Endgame now and no one will care anymore now that a random @droppindimes78 can be as trusted as Woj. Trying to make NBA rumors / drama as entertaining as the games itself is coming back to bite the league in the ass imo.

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RealGM gets all their rumors from twitter. The internet is a snake eating its own tail. What you see here is just from Podcasts / radio shows first, then twitter, then here given someone has to physically make a post on this CMS. RealGM is no more factual than anything else online.

Yeah I see the twitter posts linked in threads like this and others, my only point was I personally do not go on Twitter I don't like using it so I ignore it. I get mine second hand by people on here posting the Tweets on RealGM. I never got into Twitter and from the horror stories I hear about it I am glad I never did.

I also try to look at the source when I see a Twitter post, we had one recently that was going around where some Miami Heat beat writer claimed Dame would immediately demand a trade if traded to any team not named Miami. I felt that tweet was trying to push a narrative that Dame is not even worth trading for if you are any other team and it heavily benefited the Heat so I ignored it.

I'm not saying I don't technically get info from Twitter, I realize many of the insiders use Twitter to post their rumors.

Oh god yeah, twitter (now X?) is hot ****. It’s a cesspool. Good to get early info, but makes you read between the lines or sniff out bull-shitters even faster.

Not meaning to call you out or nothing, just that the NBA rumor mill era has peaked. We’re post-Avengers Endgame now and no one will care anymore now that a random @droppindimes78 can be as trusted as Woj. Trying to make NBA rumors / drama as entertaining as the games itself is coming back to bite the league in the ass imo.

Some people care about the sources I don't trust these randoms that seem to throw **** at the wall and hope something sticks so they can get credit for "breaking the rumor".

Now obviously some people don't care and they treat any rumor on Twitter as valid but that is not me.

[Shem]

Honestly, I'm wondering if the Heat are possibly saving those assets for a potential future trade for Giannis. Assets they aren't willing to part for Dame, but definitely for Giannis.

I mean those assets don't come close to getting Giannis. Milwaukee would hang up the phone unless they included Bam. And even then I'm not sure they do it, they just go right to OKC and ask for some combination of two of Chet, Giddey or Williams and then many, many, many picks.

Make sure you don't view what you see today on the Heat's roster as what you'll see in a year from now. Players values change from year-to-year and don't forget trades and other transitions. From what I keep hearing (it may not be true), the Heat refuse to include Jovic or Caleb Martin in their trade offers. And the Blazers don't want Tyler Herro.

So what I'm saying is that players who are untouchable in a trade for Dame becoming available when going to Giannis. Then you have the values of other players that maybe players the Bucks want that didn't move the needle a year ago. That's including roster transactions that change their chances. And maybe the Heat might be willing to move an aging Jimmy Butler who is aging to help move salary in order to sign a younger free agent on top of it, but aren't for sure willing to move him for Dame.

In Pat Riley's mind, he may want to hold on to what he has in order to get a shot at Giannis. Just know other teams are thinking about it and that will make it harder to trade Dame for the value the Blazers are looking to get.

One thing I do know is that teams start changing minds once you get to the trade deadline and think someone like Dame could take them over the top versus no urgency to want to unload to get him during the offseason. Durant is a good example of that. The Nets were unimpressed by the offers for him during the offseason after KD requested a trade and then all of a sudden Phoenix decided to go all in to get him.

If the Blazers don't trade Dame in the next week, it's looking like we'll have him till the all-star break before he's likely traded. In that time he should be a good mentor for Scoot. That mentorship will be very valuable for his future growth.

[The Sebastian Express]

Honestly, I'm wondering if the Heat are possibly saving those assets for a potential future trade for Giannis. Assets they aren't willing to part for Dame, but definitely for Giannis.

I mean those assets don't come close to getting Giannis. Milwaukee would hang up the phone unless they included Bam. And even then I'm not sure they do it, they just go right to OKC and ask for some combination of two of Chet, Giddey or Williams and then many, many, many picks.

So what I'm saying is that players who are untouchable in a trade for Dame becoming available when going to Giannis. .

I know what you meant. Read my post again. I am saying even if Miami put every asset on the table, I don't think it's enough to get Giannis.

Milwaukee will go right to OKC. Milwaukee will look to rebuild with incredible assets who are young if it comes to it, not try to reboot with someone like Bam and Miami's far more mediocre assets. They'll go right to OKC.

[BlazersBroncos]

Another idea - NYK had previous interest in OG I believe -

PDX OUT - Damian Lillard
PDX IN - DeAndre Ayton, Evan Fournier, Gradey Dick, Jericho Simms, OPJ [CUT], 2024 DAL FRP (24 Top-10, 25 Top-10, 26 SRP), 2024 DET FRP (24 Top-18, 25 Top-13, 26 Top-11, 27 Top-7, 28 SRP), 2025 MIL FRP (Top-4), 2028 TPR FRP UNP, 2030 TOR FRP UNP

TOR TRADES - OG Anunoby, Gary Trent JR, Gradey Dick, OPJ, 2028 TOR FRP UNP, 2030 TOR FRP UNP
TOR RECEIVES - Damian Lillard

NYK TRADES - Evan Fournier, Jericho Simms, 2024 DAL FRP (24 Top-10, 25 Top-10, 26 SRP), 2024 DET FRP (24 Top-18, 25 Top-13, 26 Top-11, 27 Top-7, 28 SRP), 2025 MIL FRP (Top-4)
NYK RECEIVES - OG Anunoby

PHX TRADES - DeAndre Ayton
PHX RECEIVES - Jusuf Nurkic, Gary Trent JR

G - Scoot Henderson / Anfernee Simons / Keon Johnson
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Anfernee Simons / Evan Fournier
F - Matisse Thybulle / Gradey Dick / Rayan Rupert
F - Jerami Grant / Nas Little / Kris Murray
C - DeAndre Ayton / Jericho Simms / Jabari Walker JR

+ 2024 DAL FRP (24 Top-10, 25 Top-10, 26 SRP)
+ 2024 DET FRP (24 Top-18, 25 Top-13, 26 Top-11, 27 Top-7, 28 SRP)
+ 2025 MIL FRP (Top-4)
+ 2028 TOR FRP UNP
+ 2030 TOR FRP UNP

Probably too rich - but IMO that DET FRP + DAL FRP should be valued about equal to a single LP FRP.

[The Sebastian Express]

I'd honestly try to flip OPJ to another team for some seconds if possible. But otherwise I could live with it. Not happy with it, but I could live with it. I don't know if that detroit pick will ever convey, 2027 is probably the best chance.

Though I'm rooting for Detroit! I like their young guys.

[Goldbum]

Not sure if it not being done yet is good or bad... I want this finished so everyone can move on.

[monopoman]

Not sure if it not being done yet is good or bad... I want this finished so everyone can move on.

I think it's a great sign it's taking longer in general, that means Cronin is really exhausting all options. Think about it like studying for a tough test at college who does better typically the guy that spends 1 hour studying or the guy that spend 12 hours?

It's not like Dame's value is dropping by the day or something and many other teams have done well taking their time when their all-star asks out.