Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 11th Heaven

[Dogen]

Based on not much other than my own YouTube delinquency, here is my early ranking:

Oshae (cuz Brad signed him first and he can cover front court)
Svi (shooting, shooting, shooting. And better play-making than Hauser)
Lamar (Smarticus spirit lives. He's a dawg and will get minutes)
Walsh (Will not be denied, will be a garbage time fan favorite during the many blowout games)
Payton (it's happening again, sorry bro)
Hauser (Be happy bro)
Banton (Not really sure what he does to move up)

I think that Banton falls behind Pritchard.
But, with Davison on his 2nd year, and able to play 50 Games, that kinda makes Banton unnecessary.

If Davison plays 50 games for Boston, we're in big trouble. He didn't play any meaningful minutes last season and that is likely to be the case this season as well. He's just not an NBA player - not yet at least.

It wouldn't shock me if JD gets waived and Steward takes his 2-way spot. Steward was clearly the better player in summer league.

Yeah, Steward was better. I may need an avatar refresh if JD gets waived. I still have hopes for him, but maybe not for this team at this time. I have high hopes for Steward, too, and it is reported that Brad wants to keep him in the development pipeline. Shooting is there, but undersized for SG. If he gets some experience in running the point and gets stronger, I think he can be a solid backup for the team. JD, OTOH, it's hard to predict a player's shooting ability. After a few years, it's usually WYSIWYG.

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Same for "The Winter of Our Malcolmtent"

[GoCeltics123]

On the latest Celtics beat, not that it's a shocker, but Adam Kaufman said he's heard "whispers" that the Celtics are still trying to trade Brogdon.

He said they're probably not actively shopping him or trying to give him away for whatever they can get, but that he's definitely still on the block.

[snowman]

I think that Banton falls behind Pritchard.
But, with Davison on his 2nd year, and able to play 50 Games, that kinda makes Banton unnecessary.

We all know that White, Brown, Tatum, Rob, Porzingis, Brogdon (if healthy and not too pissed) and Horford are our top seven on the team. Camp battles are only going to make 8-15 better. I see Brissett, Hauser, and Svi as the top 3 talent of the above list. Stevens and Walsh will get some burn due their defense. I like Banton's size as a ball handler and think if he is used right could amount to a steal. I can live with Banton as a 3rd PG, if Pritchard is moved, but not as a 2nd PG should Brogdon not be able to go. I trust that Brad will have the Brogdon situation under control before the end of camp. If Brogdon is too injured or really pissed off, Brad will make a move with him early on. I really don't feel either will be the case, and Brogdon will be fine. Hope I'm right. We will also see some Queta with the big club when Horford, Rob and Porzingis get rest time off, and maybe even some Jay Scrub if needed. I think a big problem will be what 2 players will not be dressed on game day since we can only dress 13.

I still see Payton gone before the all-star break, or sooner. If I were Brad I would try and be part of the Lillard trade, with Payton going home to Portland for some draft capital return. Brissett, Kornet, Svi and Banton each cost less than 1/2 of what Payton is making this year and will be looking for a bigger payday or moving on next season. His qualifying offer next season is 6 million, and I'm not sure he is worth that. Also, at being 6'1, he and also JD (I really am concerned if JD is really anything more than a 3rd team PG) I could see both moved. I think Brad is done with undersized players at their positions, getting singled out on the defensive end, and that is why he signed Banton.

Agree with what you wrote, except the Hauser part. Maybe I under value him, mostly based on his second half of season performance. At this point, it's up to him to come in with the attitude that a rotation spot is his, and someone has to take it from him. Hard to say how Brad and Joe will handle the positions because we haven't had this problem.

Hauser is the best shooter on the team when he's got it going; now he has to show a veteran attitude and get after it. He showed signs of not being the defensive pushover opponents expected, but still needs to build on his successes.

To my eyes ( but not seeing Svi with Celtocs yet of course), Mykhailiuk can do what Hauser does, and more. Those two will be competing for minutes and must realize that their defense is going to be a major determining factor.

Hauser needs the right attitude coming into camp, but I do think the backup small forward is his to lose, just like I think the backup SG spot is Svi's to lose. Those two, along with Brogdon, Brissett and Horford is a real strong 6-10 rotation. Then if those guys are not hustling, bring in Pritchard, Banton, Walsh, Stevens and Kornet to get some minutes when the top 10 needs a rest or just having a bad night, or the Celtics need some hustle out there. This is a VERY deep team, unlike what the Celtics have had in a very long time.

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Same for "The Winter of Our Malcolmtent"

Scratch that. Random Steinbeck puns don't usually fly in sports journalism.

[snowman]

On the latest Celtics beat, not that it's a shocker, but Adam Kaufman said he's heard "whispers" that the Celtics are still trying to trade Brogdon.

He said they're probably not actively shopping him or trying to give him away for whatever they can get, but that he's definitely still on the block.

If this is true, what are the chances we revisit the Clips trade, with whatever the Clips send going to a third team?

[GoCeltics123]

On the latest Celtics beat, not that it's a shocker, but Adam Kaufman said he's heard "whispers" that the Celtics are still trying to trade Brogdon.

He said they're probably not actively shopping him or trying to give him away for whatever they can get, but that he's definitely still on the block.

If this is true, what are the chances we revisit the Clips trade, with whatever the Clips send going to a third team?

Maybe a three-teamer where we get Hield yeah.

I'd guess most likely scenario is that Brogdon is on the Celtics roster to start the year though obviously

[Dogen]

On the latest Celtics beat, not that it's a shocker, but Adam Kaufman said he's heard "whispers" that the Celtics are still trying to trade Brogdon.

He said they're probably not actively shopping him or trying to give him away for whatever they can get, but that he's definitely still on the block.

Buddy Hield could drop into that 6th man role pretty seamlessly. He's played more games on average than Malcolm, on average, and maybe is a bit more ... spotty? ... on offense, but when he has it going there are few players in the league that are more dangerous.

The big trades now, likely involving multiple teams would be Brogdon for either Hield or Herro. I don't think this is the type of trade Brad would do, as it would mean more pick assets included, and next year is a major opportunity for better trades if Embiid, Giannis are made available.

Definitely seems on the block though. My guess is that he will be moved, and not by deadline, but by end of training camp if not before.

[Hal14]

I think that Banton falls behind Pritchard.
But, with Davison on his 2nd year, and able to play 50 Games, that kinda makes Banton unnecessary.

If Davison plays 50 games for Boston, we're in big trouble. He didn't play any meaningful minutes last season and that is likely to be the case this season as well. He's just not an NBA player - not yet at least.

It wouldn't shock me if JD gets waived and Steward takes his 2-way spot. Steward was clearly the better player in summer league.

Yeah, Steward was better. I may need an avatar refresh if JD gets waived. I still have hopes for him, but maybe not for this team at this time. I have high hopes for Steward, too, and it is reported that Brad wants to keep him in the development pipeline. Shooting is there, but undersized for SG. If he gets some experience in running the point and gets stronger, I think he can be a solid backup for the team. JD, OTOH, it's hard to predict a player's shooting ability. After a few years, it's usually WYSIWYG.

Idk if Steward has to run the point. He could be a Tyrese Maxey / Jordan Poole / Anfernee Simons / Jamal Crawford type.

I doubt either of them contributes anything to the big club this season, though. More likely, we have a look at them in camp, develop them in G league this season and then possibly by next season 1 of them has developed enough to contribute some off the bench.

Side note - I do think this could be a pretty fun lineup for the Maine squad:

C Queta
PF Funk
SF Scrubb
SG Steward
PG JD

[Dogen]

We all know that White, Brown, Tatum, Rob, Porzingis, Brogdon (if healthy and not too pissed) and Horford are our top seven on the team. Camp battles are only going to make 8-15 better. I see Brissett, Hauser, and Svi as the top 3 talent of the above list. Stevens and Walsh will get some burn due their defense. I like Banton's size as a ball handler and think if he is used right could amount to a steal. I can live with Banton as a 3rd PG, if Pritchard is moved, but not as a 2nd PG should Brogdon not be able to go. I trust that Brad will have the Brogdon situation under control before the end of camp. If Brogdon is too injured or really pissed off, Brad will make a move with him early on. I really don't feel either will be the case, and Brogdon will be fine. Hope I'm right. We will also see some Queta with the big club when Horford, Rob and Porzingis get rest time off, and maybe even some Jay Scrub if needed. I think a big problem will be what 2 players will not be dressed on game day since we can only dress 13.

I still see Payton gone before the all-star break, or sooner. If I were Brad I would try and be part of the Lillard trade, with Payton going home to Portland for some draft capital return. Brissett, Kornet, Svi and Banton each cost less than 1/2 of what Payton is making this year and will be looking for a bigger payday or moving on next season. His qualifying offer next season is 6 million, and I'm not sure he is worth that. Also, at being 6'1, he and also JD (I really am concerned if JD is really anything more than a 3rd team PG) I could see both moved. I think Brad is done with undersized players at their positions, getting singled out on the defensive end, and that is why he signed Banton.

Agree with what you wrote, except the Hauser part. Maybe I under value him, mostly based on his second half of season performance. At this point, it's up to him to come in with the attitude that a rotation spot is his, and someone has to take it from him. Hard to say how Brad and Joe will handle the positions because we haven't had this problem.

Hauser is the best shooter on the team when he's got it going; now he has to show a veteran attitude and get after it. He showed signs of not being the defensive pushover opponents expected, but still needs to build on his successes.

To my eyes ( but not seeing Svi with Celtocs yet of course), Mykhailiuk can do what Hauser does, and more. Those two will be competing for minutes and must realize that their defense is going to be a major determining factor.

Hauser needs the right attitude coming into camp, but I do think the backup small forward is his to lose, just like I think the backup SG spot is Svi's to lose. Those two, along with Brogdon, Brissett and Horford is a real strong 6-10 rotation. Then if those guys are not hustling, bring in Pritchard, Banton, Walsh, Stevens and Kornet to get some minutes when the top 10 needs a rest or just having a bad night, or the Celtics need some hustle out there. This is a VERY deep team, unlike what the Celtics have had in a very long time.

The depth is a new -- and good -- problem to have. Since it is new, we're not sure how Joe will handle it.

Is the SF spot Hauser's to lose? Why? He's higher in the pecking order because he's been with the team longer and has seniority? Maybe, but we don't really know enough about Joe in this situation. Will Brad make those decisions? Hard to know yet, but still a good problem to have.

I would suppose that a healthy, equitable policy would be that the "incumbents" get the nod, meaning Hauser and Pritchard get the early nod, and it's up to them to hold their spot.

[Dogen]

If Davison plays 50 games for Boston, we're in big trouble. He didn't play any meaningful minutes last season and that is likely to be the case this season as well. He's just not an NBA player - not yet at least.

It wouldn't shock me if JD gets waived and Steward takes his 2-way spot. Steward was clearly the better player in summer league.

Yeah, Steward was better. I may need an avatar refresh if JD gets waived. I still have hopes for him, but maybe not for this team at this time. I have high hopes for Steward, too, and it is reported that Brad wants to keep him in the development pipeline. Shooting is there, but undersized for SG. If he gets some experience in running the point and gets stronger, I think he can be a solid backup for the team. JD, OTOH, it's hard to predict a player's shooting ability. After a few years, it's usually WYSIWYG.

Idk if Steward has to run the point. He could be a Tyrese Maxey / Jordan Poole / Anfernee Simons / Jamal Crawford type.

I doubt either of them contributes anything to the big club this season, though. More likely, we have a look at them in camp, develop them in G league this season and then possibly by next season 1 of them has developed enough to contribute some off the bench.

Side note - I do think this could be a pretty fun lineup for the Maine squad:

C Queta
PF Funk
SF Scrubb
SG Steward
PG JD

Maxey-lite is my hope for Steward. Good comp. Maxey isn't a trad PG, but he does bring the ball up and can initiate the offense. He's similar in basic frame in height and length to Steward, but much stronger. Simons-- that would be incredible if Steward can eventually get close to that level.

The Maine Funky Scrubs. Looks like a fun team.

[GoCeltics123]

On the latest Celtics beat, not that it's a shocker, but Adam Kaufman said he's heard "whispers" that the Celtics are still trying to trade Brogdon.

He said they're probably not actively shopping him or trying to give him away for whatever they can get, but that he's definitely still on the block.

Buddy Hield could drop into that 6th man role pretty seamlessly. He's played more games on average than Malcolm, on average, and maybe is a bit more ... spotty? ... on offense, but when he has it going there are few players in the league that are more dangerous.

The big trades now, likely involving multiple teams would be Brogdon for either Hield or Herro. I don't think this is the type of trade Brad would do, as it would mean more pick assets included, and next year is a major opportunity for better trades if Embiid, Giannis are made available.

Definitely seems on the block though. My guess is that he will be moved, and not by deadline, but by end of training camp if not before.

Hield is the only player that makes me think he will be moved by the end of camp, unless he openly holds out on the team.

If he puts his head down and plays, it'll probably be around the deadline

[MeanGeraldGreen]

On the latest Celtics beat, not that it's a shocker, but Adam Kaufman said he's heard "whispers" that the Celtics are still trying to trade Brogdon.

He said they're probably not actively shopping him or trying to give him away for whatever they can get, but that he's definitely still on the block.

[Dogen]

On the latest Celtics beat, not that it's a shocker, but Adam Kaufman said he's heard "whispers" that the Celtics are still trying to trade Brogdon.

He said they're probably not actively shopping him or trying to give him away for whatever they can get, but that he's definitely still on the block.

Buddy Hield could drop into that 6th man role pretty seamlessly. He's played more games on average than Malcolm, on average, and maybe is a bit more ... spotty? ... on offense, but when he has it going there are few players in the league that are more dangerous.

The big trades now, likely involving multiple teams would be Brogdon for either Hield or Herro. I don't think this is the type of trade Brad would do, as it would mean more pick assets included, and next year is a major opportunity for better trades if Embiid, Giannis are made available.

Definitely seems on the block though. My guess is that he will be moved, and not by deadline, but by end of training camp if not before.

Hield is the only player that makes me think he will be moved by the end of camp, unless he openly holds out on the team.

If he puts his head down and plays, it'll probably be around the deadline

Brogdon/Pritchard + 2 2nds for Hield/McConnell

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7862977

[GoCeltics123]

On the latest Celtics beat, not that it's a shocker, but Adam Kaufman said he's heard "whispers" that the Celtics are still trying to trade Brogdon.

He said they're probably not actively shopping him or trying to give him away for whatever they can get, but that he's definitely still on the block.

I'll say this...if this ends in him holding out on the team, I'm going to be **** pissed at Brad

That's $20 mil in dead salary. I understand he was hurt and harder to move, but holding onto him this long and finding out he's quitting on the team is Morey-esque level of arrogance

I hope/think it wouldn't come to that though, and that he'll play until he's moved. Brogdon has his next contract to think about too, quitting on the team wouldn't be a great look for him

[BK_2020]

A player who is so extremely unhappy as to demand a trade or hold out doesn't go the entire summer without saying anything. Not to mention the rumor earlier was he was unhappy *because* the Celtics tried to trade him.

[MeanGeraldGreen]

On the latest Celtics beat, not that it's a shocker, but Adam Kaufman said he's heard "whispers" that the Celtics are still trying to trade Brogdon.

He said they're probably not actively shopping him or trying to give him away for whatever they can get, but that he's definitely still on the block.

I'll say this...if this ends in him holding out on the team, I'm going to be **** pissed at Brad

That's $20 mil in dead salary. I understand he was hurt and harder to move, but holding onto him this long and finding out he's quitting on the team is Morey-esque level of arrogance

I hope/think it wouldn't come to that though, and that he'll play until he's moved. Brogdon has his next contract to think about too, quitting on the team wouldn't be a great look for him

No way he holds out lol.

He’s pissed at the FO, not the other players or coaches.

[GoCeltics123]

Spoiler:

I'll say this...if this ends in him holding out on the team, I'm going to be **** pissed at Brad

That's $20 mil in dead salary. I understand he was hurt and harder to move, but holding onto him this long and finding out he's quitting on the team is Morey-esque level of arrogance

I hope/think it wouldn't come to that though, and that he'll play until he's moved. Brogdon has his next contract to think about too, quitting on the team wouldn't be a great look for him

No way he holds out lol.

He’s pissed at the FO, not the other players or coaches.

Yeah he gives off major locker-room lawyer vibes to me so his Media Day stuff about this is probably going to be very cringe-worthy

[ConstableGeneva]

Good trade for everyone IMO. Just dunno if Raps feel they're giving up too much. Can't gauge how much they "want" Dame or if they're just being used as leverage. In any case, Toronto doesn't win **** even with Dame/Barnes/Siakam/Poeltl but it's at least better than what Dame would have now in terms of "contention" plus he'll be in the easier conference. Blazers will be content with that return. It's likely better than what Miami is offering.

[MeanGeraldGreen]

Lmao

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