Dame requests a trade.

[8thseed 4ever]

Not sure if it not being done yet is good or bad... I want this finished so everyone can move on.

I think it's a great sign it's taking longer in general, that means Cronin is really exhausting all options. Think about it like studying for a tough test at college who does better typically the guy that spends 1 hour studying or the guy that spend 12 hours?

It's not like Dame's value is dropping by the day or something and many other teams have done well taking their time when their all-star asks out.

Could not agree more.

[Norm2953]

Interesting to read ESPN saying the Lillard trade that makes the most sense is Herro/Lowry, Jovic
and JJJ with picks/swaps.

The problem with that is Miami has never offered this in any of their trade proposals for they don't
feel they have to. Would Portland take this assuming they really wanted this done before the start
of training camp?

[Brandon-Clyde]

Interesting to read ESPN saying the Lillard trade that makes the most sense is Herro/Lowry, Jovic
and JJJ with picks/swaps.

The problem with that is Miami has never offered this in any of their trade proposals for they don't
feel they have to. Would Portland take this assuming they really wanted this done before the start
of training camp?

I don't see Portland wanting a 4 year $120 million contract for a fourth guard and it would only be two guaranteed picks since that is all Miami can offer at this time.

[Norm2953]

Interesting to read ESPN saying the Lillard trade that makes the most sense is Herro/Lowry, Jovic
and JJJ with picks/swaps.

The problem with that is Miami has never offered this in any of their trade proposals for they don't
feel they have to. Would Portland take this assuming they really wanted this done before the start
of training camp?

I don't see Portland wanting a 4 year $120 million contract for a fourth guard and it would only be two guaranteed picks since that is all Miami can offer at this time.

Well, this does not take in account Portland spinning Herro or perhaps Simons elsewhere for more picks

[GEE]

Interesting to read ESPN saying the Lillard trade that makes the most sense is Herro/Lowry, Jovic
and JJJ with picks/swaps.

The problem with that is Miami has never offered this in any of their trade proposals for they don't
feel they have to. Would Portland take this assuming they really wanted this done before the start
of training camp?

I don't see Portland wanting a 4 year $120 million contract for a fourth guard and it would only be two guaranteed picks since that is all Miami can offer at this time.

If I were Cronin, I don't like anything that Miami has to offer, unless BAM was included... just like I said many many months ago. Herro and JJJ / two big guards we have no need for, Jovic / forever non-star player at best, Robinson / Not available, Lowry / Just an expiring, Picks / Weak. What am I missing? Martin / Not an upgrade over even Little IMO, Robinson / Yuck.

Screw The Heat. I want a BIG piece to add to our young core, and they really don't have one. Plus, I feel the Heat and Dame simply acted in bad faith, so I really hope Dame just goes somewhere else. Another thing I was saying loudly many months ago... I WANT MARK WILLIAMS, or someone similar and better. And Ayton... No Thank You. Just don't like him much, and at the price... Really don't like him. CP3 made him look good.

[DusterBuster]

Interesting to read ESPN saying the Lillard trade that makes the most sense is Herro/Lowry, Jovic
and JJJ with picks/swaps.

The problem with that is Miami has never offered this in any of their trade proposals for they don't
feel they have to. Would Portland take this assuming they really wanted this done before the start
of training camp?

I don't see Portland wanting a 4 year $120 million contract for a fourth guard and it would only be two guaranteed picks since that is all Miami can offer at this time.

If I were Cronin, I don't like anything that Miami has to offer, unless BAM was included... just like I said many many months ago. Herro and JJJ / two big guards we have no need for, Jovic / forever non-star player at best, Robinson / Not available, Lowry / Just an expiring, Picks / Weak. What am I missing? Martin / Not an upgrade over even Little IMO, Robinson / Yuck.

Screw The Heat. I want a BIG piece to add to our young core, and they really don't have one. Plus, I feel the Heat and Dame simply acted in bad faith, so I really hope Dame just goes somewhere else. Another thing I was saying loudly many months ago... I WANT MARK WILLIAMS, or someone similar and better. And Ayton... No Thank You. Just don't like him much, and at the price... Really don't like him. CP3 made him look good.

JJJ isn't a guard, he's a forward.

I like JJJ and Jovic as prospects, but they aren't core pieces. They could become that, but it's a complete and utter gamble they do at this point.

Cronin (and Schmitz) wants a blue chip prospect. Proven player who maybe just needs a new spot to blow up. I think they care more about getting the next Mikal Bridges than 774 First Round Picks and expiring deals. Ayton fits that mold. OG fits that mold too. Heat have nothing that fit that mold. Closest is Herro, and the Blazers have that player (and cheaper) already in Simons.

[monopoman]

I don't see Portland wanting a 4 year $120 million contract for a fourth guard and it would only be two guaranteed picks since that is all Miami can offer at this time.

If I were Cronin, I don't like anything that Miami has to offer, unless BAM was included... just like I said many many months ago. Herro and JJJ / two big guards we have no need for, Jovic / forever non-star player at best, Robinson / Not available, Lowry / Just an expiring, Picks / Weak. What am I missing? Martin / Not an upgrade over even Little IMO, Robinson / Yuck.

Screw The Heat. I want a BIG piece to add to our young core, and they really don't have one. Plus, I feel the Heat and Dame simply acted in bad faith, so I really hope Dame just goes somewhere else. Another thing I was saying loudly many months ago... I WANT MARK WILLIAMS, or someone similar and better. And Ayton... No Thank You. Just don't like him much, and at the price... Really don't like him. CP3 made him look good.

JJJ isn't a guard, he's a forward.

I like JJJ and Jovic as prospects, but they aren't core pieces. They could become that, but it's a complete and utter gamble they do at this point.

Cronin (and Schmitz) wants a blue chip prospect. Proven player who maybe just needs a new spot to blow up. I think they care more about getting the next Mikal Bridges than 774 First Round Picks and expiring deals. Ayton fits that mold. OG fits that mold too. Heat have nothing that fit that mold. Closest is Herro, and the Blazers have that player (and cheaper) already in Simons.

This is blatantly obvious this is why the Miami offer was a joke to Cronin, they acted like Herro was this missing piece and he's just not. Sure they could probably flip him for a 1st round pick and something else but that is just not as appealing as a SF, PF or C of equal skill.

Even Ayton has more potential for this team then Herro does since a change of scenery could do him good. **** he also might be happier here since we would be feeding him more on offense.

[Brandon-Clyde]

Interesting to read ESPN saying the Lillard trade that makes the most sense is Herro/Lowry, Jovic
and JJJ with picks/swaps.

The problem with that is Miami has never offered this in any of their trade proposals for they don't
feel they have to. Would Portland take this assuming they really wanted this done before the start
of training camp?

I don't see Portland wanting a 4 year $120 million contract for a fourth guard and it would only be two guaranteed picks since that is all Miami can offer at this time.

Well, this does not take in account Portland spinning Herro or perhaps Simons elsewhere for more picks

The problem with that is once Portland accepts Herro in trade every team in the league will know that Portland would need to make a trade and give low-ball offers and until there is a trade one or more of our young guards would have to play out of position. It would be better to tell Miami to find a deal for Herro that gives Portland assets that are better fits.

[GEE]

Just want to say it again... CP3 made Ayton look good. Without him, Ayton looks average at best, and IS a really spendy player, but again, if Cronin feels like Ayton is THE guy, then I'm OK with it. Just hoping we end up with someone better. I WANT MARK!

[Blazinaway]

I don't see Portland wanting a 4 year $120 million contract for a fourth guard and it would only be two guaranteed picks since that is all Miami can offer at this time.

Well, this does not take in account Portland spinning Herro or perhaps Simons elsewhere for more picks

The problem with that is once Portland accepts Herro in trade every team in the league will know that Portland would need to make a trade and give low-ball offers and until there is a trade one or more of our young guards would have to play out of position. It would be better to tell Miami to find a deal for Herro that gives Portland assets that are better fits.

Maybe and maybe not as there are several "rumored" teams interested in Herro such as Char/Indy/Utah and perhaps Tor and Brooklyn. So I don't think his value decreased just because we trade for him, we are rebuilding so worse case we can keep him and wait and see, no skin off our back as we have lots and lots of time. Not my preferred scenario, I think we likely move him in a Dame trade to Miami IF it ever happens.

[Norm2953]

I don't see Portland wanting a 4 year $120 million contract for a fourth guard and it would only be two guaranteed picks since that is all Miami can offer at this time.

Well, this does not take in account Portland spinning Herro or perhaps Simons elsewhere for more picks

The problem with that is once Portland accepts Herro in trade every team in the league will know that Portland would need to make a trade and give low-ball offers and until there is a trade one or more of our young guards would have to play out of position. It would be better to tell Miami to find a deal for Herro that gives Portland assets that are better fits.

Right now, Miami has yet to offer what ESPN says they should offer for they still feel Portland will ultimately
take what they want to offer. Makes you wonder if they start off the season at .500 and playing like the
7 seed they were in the regular season, if they will change their minds.

There is something to waiting until December 15 to complete a Dame trade, for that would free up more guys
who could be included in a trade

[Brandon-Clyde]

Well, this does not take in account Portland spinning Herro or perhaps Simons elsewhere for more picks

The problem with that is once Portland accepts Herro in trade every team in the league will know that Portland would need to make a trade and give low-ball offers and until there is a trade one or more of our young guards would have to play out of position. It would be better to tell Miami to find a deal for Herro that gives Portland assets that are better fits.

Maybe and maybe not as there are several "rumored" teams interested in Herro such as Char/Indy/Utah and perhaps Tor and Brooklyn. So I don't think his value decreased just because we trade for him, we are rebuilding so worse case we can keep him and wait and see, no skin off our back as we have lots and lots of time. Not my preferred scenario, I think we likely move him in a Dame trade to Miami IF it ever happens.

Remember before the draft when we were trying to trade Simons? I wouldn't expect much better offers than then. Herro might be slightly better than Simons but costs $5 million more per season.

[Brandon-Clyde]

Well, this does not take in account Portland spinning Herro or perhaps Simons elsewhere for more picks

The problem with that is once Portland accepts Herro in trade every team in the league will know that Portland would need to make a trade and give low-ball offers and until there is a trade one or more of our young guards would have to play out of position. It would be better to tell Miami to find a deal for Herro that gives Portland assets that are better fits.

Right now, Miami has yet to offer what ESPN says they should offer for they still feel Portland will ultimately
take what they want to offer. Makes you wonder if they start off the season at .500 and playing like the
7 seed they were in the regular season, if they will change their minds.

There is something to waiting until December 15 to complete a Dame trade, for that would free up more guys
who could be included in a trade

Or some other team starts well and thinks Dame might put them over the top so is willing to offer a fair amount for him.

[DaVoiceMaster]

Well, this does not take in account Portland spinning Herro or perhaps Simons elsewhere for more picks

The problem with that is once Portland accepts Herro in trade every team in the league will know that Portland would need to make a trade and give low-ball offers and until there is a trade one or more of our young guards would have to play out of position. It would be better to tell Miami to find a deal for Herro that gives Portland assets that are better fits.

Right now, Miami has yet to offer what ESPN says they should offer for they still feel Portland will ultimately
take what they want to offer. Makes you wonder if they start off the season at .500 and playing like the
7 seed they were in the regular season, if they will change their minds.

There is something to waiting until December 15 to complete a Dame trade, for that would free up more guys
who could be included in a trade

I'd like to get Robinson! Too bad they cant make the Lillard trade with a handshake deal to make a second trade in December.

[PDXKnight]

The problem with that is once Portland accepts Herro in trade every team in the league will know that Portland would need to make a trade and give low-ball offers and until there is a trade one or more of our young guards would have to play out of position. It would be better to tell Miami to find a deal for Herro that gives Portland assets that are better fits.

Right now, Miami has yet to offer what ESPN says they should offer for they still feel Portland will ultimately
take what they want to offer. Makes you wonder if they start off the season at .500 and playing like the
7 seed they were in the regular season, if they will change their minds.

There is something to waiting until December 15 to complete a Dame trade, for that would free up more guys
who could be included in a trade

I'd like to get Robinson! Too bad they cant make the Lillard trade with a handshake deal to make a second trade in December.

If I've seen anything from Riley in these discussions a handshake deal is pretty much a guarantee we get screwed

[DaVoiceMaster]

Right now, Miami has yet to offer what ESPN says they should offer for they still feel Portland will ultimately
take what they want to offer. Makes you wonder if they start off the season at .500 and playing like the
7 seed they were in the regular season, if they will change their minds.

There is something to waiting until December 15 to complete a Dame trade, for that would free up more guys
who could be included in a trade

I'd like to get Robinson! Too bad they cant make the Lillard trade with a handshake deal to make a second trade in December.

If I've seen anything from Riley in these discussions a handshake deal is pretty much a guarantee we get screwed

Agreed

[Norm2953]

It'll be interesting to see what happens if Dame gets traded to Toronto

https://heatnation.com/rumors/miami-heat-report-damian-lillard-would-make-it-ugly-if-he-were-traded-to-toronto-raptors/

I do find this hard to believe, coming out of Miami

[The Sebastian Express]

It'll be interesting to see what happens if Dame gets traded to Toronto

https://heatnation.com/rumors/miami-heat-report-damian-lillard-would-make-it-ugly-if-he-were-traded-to-toronto-raptors/

I do find this hard to believe, coming out of Miami

Not only Miami, but I believe these guys recently had on the Blazers Uprising guys which didn't work out well for them.

[monopoman]

Right now, Miami has yet to offer what ESPN says they should offer for they still feel Portland will ultimately
take what they want to offer. Makes you wonder if they start off the season at .500 and playing like the
7 seed they were in the regular season, if they will change their minds.

There is something to waiting until December 15 to complete a Dame trade, for that would free up more guys
who could be included in a trade

I'd like to get Robinson! Too bad they cant make the Lillard trade with a handshake deal to make a second trade in December.

If I've seen anything from Riley in these discussions a handshake deal is pretty much a guarantee we get screwed

I would trust Riley as far as I could throw him, he might make the top of my list for most likely to **** someone over on a deal in the NBA.

[mighty_duck]

Remember before the draft when we were trying to trade Simons? I wouldn't expect much better offers than then. Herro might be slightly better than Simons but costs $5 million more per season.

We were still in win-now mode then, looking for players who could better complement Dame for a run next season.
Could we have gotten a pick or two along with expiring contracts for Ant? Quite possibly. But at the time, they would have been rejected.