Fake Trade Thread #5

[JustBuzzin]

Gordon is going to be 34 this season. Rozier is going to be 30.

Neither of them are part of the teams long term future. Herro fits that timeline a lot better than either of them.

We aren't going to trade for or sign any real difference makers, we have to wait & hope Melo/Mark/Miles/Miller become difference makers (and stay healthy). Herro, at least theoretically, is a good fit with them.

The main thing that could cause me to be hesitant on Herro is how it impacts us resigning Miles. If we do keep Miles + Herro, then our core is set for at least the next several years.

So your reasoning for trading for Herro is because he's younger and fits our core?

Nowhere did you say Herro gives us a chance to compete in the playoffs. He's a one trick pony all offense and no defense. We basically trading Rozier for a similar young player.

Cmon man we can't keep making these kind of trades. The moment we trade for Herro our future flexibility is gone.

[JMAC3]

I'm holding out for something better than a overpaid Herro. He's not helping us anymore than Rozier.

If we going to trade for that kind of salary it needs to be for a difference maker.

I'm not trying to be locked down into a core of Melo/Herro/Bridges. That's simply not going to get it done.

You never know what the future holds. With new ownership maybe we can get a impact FA in the coming years.


Once you trade for Herro that opportunity is gone.

I disagree. LaMelo-Herro-Miles/PJ-Mark is a very very good core.

Rozier is just not as good as Herro, no matter how general you want to slice it. Plus Herro is 23, he is going to get better as he enters his prime. The contract is what it is, he was a really good value on his rookie contract and would of cost more to acquire then now, we are getting a discount on him now he is fairly paid. He is under 4 years of control from ages 24-27, as a small market team that is valuable.

This could be a different conversation if we just 60 million in cap space and were a good market, but it isn't. We have 30 million in cap space and most of that is set for Bridges. Trading Hayward for a guy on Herro level is a huge win and maximizes our assets/cap situation.

I am all ears for 2-3 other stars you want to target with realistic price tags, but more often then not when we start talking about trading 2-3 firsts and young talent the board typically isn't going to agree that is move they want to make.

[Diop]

Rozier gave me the **** last year, but looking back over the last couple of years, I'm not saying Rozier is not as good as Herro.

They're both scorers but Rozier averages more steals and assists which I was ready to blame Rozier being forced to play point guard, but somehow Rozier averages less turnovers as well.

Herro has had his moments in the spot light, but I don't see him being a big step up.
He's younger and taller.

[SWedd523]

I do find it funny that we all admit that Rozier is a poor fit next to Melo, but then are clamoring for a guy who plays a lot like Rozier to replace him, at a bigger salary to boot.

Like a bunch of crack fiends itching for a hit

[JustBuzzin]

I do find it funny that we all admit that Rozier is a poor fit next to Melo, but then are clamoring for a guy who plays a lot like Rozier to replace him, at a bigger salary to boot.

Like a bunch of crack fiends itching for a hit

I swear.

Herro is basically a younger Rozier with a higher salary. People are blind because they think Herro is better because he plays for a great franchise. Those Heat rules don't apply in Charlotte. Herro would be a bad decision.

[Robot Rock]

What would be given up in a trade for Herro?

[Rich4114]

What exactly makes Rozier and Herro so similar? Their scoring average and natural position? Herro is the better player and still has some upside. The real challenge here is figuring out how we move Terry if we bring Herro in. It probably does need to be a Hayward trade as others have mentioned, but I actually think Hayward on this team is much more beneficial towards us being successful this year than most.

Honestly, we need a re-shuffling of the roster. I think even if we did a Hayward + whatever for Herro move, we should still follow that up with a Terry for wing/pf vet type move. We can't expect to make and win in the playoffs with a roster full of 22 year olds.

[JMAC3]

I do find it funny that we all admit that Rozier is a poor fit next to Melo, but then are clamoring for a guy who plays a lot like Rozier to replace him, at a bigger salary to boot.

Like a bunch of crack fiends itching for a hit

We have been through this, the shooting guard position is very limited in terms of archetypes.
More than half the position is all offense, no defense level type of guys.

Do you have a real suggestion at who you would trade for and what you would offer?

[JMAC3]

Once you trade for Herro that opportunity is gone.

I am all ears for 2-3 other stars you want to target with realistic price tags, but more often then not when we start talking about trading 2-3 firsts and young talent the board typically isn't going to agree that is move they want to make.

Still waiting.

[JustBuzzin]

Once you trade for Herro that opportunity is gone.

I am all ears for 2-3 other stars you want to target with realistic price tags, but more often then not when we start talking about trading 2-3 firsts and young talent the board typically isn't going to agree that is move they want to make.

Still waiting.

It's impossible to know what stars will be available and I was talking about FA. If Lamelo ends up being a superstar there is no doubt stars would want to play with him. If Miller ends up being a star then we are really cooking. Im not trying to trade for Herro and have no flexibility moving forward.

Herro is a younger Rozier. There is no reason to make that trade.

[Bassman]

I am all ears for 2-3 other stars you want to target with realistic price tags, but more often then not when we start talking about trading 2-3 firsts and young talent the board typically isn't going to agree that is move they want to make.

Still waiting.

It's impossible to know what stars will be available and I was talking about FA. If Lamelo ends up being a superstar there is no doubt stars would want to play with him. If Miller ends up being a star then we are really cooking. Im not trying to trade for Herro and have no flexibility moving forward.

Herro is a younger Rozier. There is no reason to make that trade.

I respect your opinion but disagree on Herro. This team lost our best chances to draft a quality SG when we crapped the bed drafting Bouknight and Kai. Didn’t like the Kai deal, was very happy for the falling knife in Bouk, but he was and is horrible. Tyler is a better player now than Rozier, younger and with height/length advantage. Nobody claims he will become Jordan Jr. I see Herro as that important scoring option we need next to LaMelo and Miller. Three guys who are able to shoot, hit 3’s with extended range, score and move the ball can be almost impossible to defend. Couple them with Miles/PJ at the 4 and our not so secret weapon Williams dominating the paint. Herro has improved on defense; not a strength but no longer a paper tiger out there. He also has an innate ability to make big plays and quick decisions. I like how he’d fit here.

The real issue is back to alternatives. Saving some cap room gives us a shot at…whom? If there are some dominant SG’s on the near horizon that we can sign…who absolutely won’t go to major market teams or back to their own for the most money, and are YOUNG…I’m all ears. PROBLEM: this team just doesn’t attract those guys, and won’t unless we’re on the cusp of winning a championship. Can’t get to the cusp without investing in better players. I think Herro is that type of better player, who can help us reach higher.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Still waiting.

It's impossible to know what stars will be available and I was talking about FA. If Lamelo ends up being a superstar there is no doubt stars would want to play with him. If Miller ends up being a star then we are really cooking. Im not trying to trade for Herro and have no flexibility moving forward.

Herro is a younger Rozier. There is no reason to make that trade.

Tyler is a better player now than Rozier, younger and with height/length advantage.

Herro is 6'5 with a 6'3 wingspan. Terry is 6'2 with a 6"8 wingspan He is taller than Terry but not longer.

[JMAC3]

I am all ears for 2-3 other stars you want to target with realistic price tags, but more often then not when we start talking about trading 2-3 firsts and young talent the board typically isn't going to agree that is move they want to make.

Still waiting.

It's impossible to know what stars will be available and I was talking about FA. If Lamelo ends up being a superstar there is no doubt stars would want to play with him. If Miller ends up being a star then we are really cooking. Im not trying to trade for Herro and have no flexibility moving forward.

Herro is a younger Rozier. There is no reason to make that trade.

Yeah, this is fantasy land stuff.
1. We aren't attracting that type of FA.
2. We don't have cap space regardless of trading for Herro or not.

[JustBuzzin]

What exactly does Herro provide that Rozier doesn't already do?

So far the only thing I have seen people say is he is taller and younger.lmao

[HornetJail]

What exactly does Herro provide that Rozier doesn't already do?

So far the only thing I have seen people say is he is taller and younger.lmao

nobody has been able to tell me. better free throw shooter I guess? He's more limited defensively, and the main reason to want to move off of Rozier is to get *better* defenders next to LaMelo.

[yosemiteben]

What exactly does Herro provide that Rozier doesn't already do?

So far the only thing I have seen people say is he is taller and younger.lmao

nobody has been able to tell me. better free throw shooter I guess? He's more limited defensively, and the main reason to want to move off of Rozier is to get *better* defenders next to LaMelo.

Seems like the fact that Rozier in his apex prime is matching 22 year old Herro stats should be a point in favor of Herro, no?

[HornetJail]

What exactly does Herro provide that Rozier doesn't already do?

So far the only thing I have seen people say is he is taller and younger.lmao

nobody has been able to tell me. better free throw shooter I guess? He's more limited defensively, and the main reason to want to move off of Rozier is to get *better* defenders next to LaMelo.

Seems like the fact that Rozier in his apex prime is matching 22 year old Herro stats should be a point in favor of Herro, no?

Herro's been the same guy since the playoffs of his rookie year so expecting him to magically get significantly better isn't a given. point is I don't think Herro is worth the extra money per year AND a 1st more than Terry is.

[Diop]

What exactly does Herro provide that Rozier doesn't already do?

So far the only thing I have seen people say is he is taller and younger.lmao

nobody has been able to tell me. better free throw shooter I guess? He's more limited defensively, and the main reason to want to move off of Rozier is to get *better* defenders next to LaMelo.

Seems like the fact that Rozier in his apex prime is matching 22 year old Herro stats should be a point in favor of Herro, no?

peak Rozier was slightly more efficient but point taken.

I guess with Ball being a low efficiency, sub par defensive guard, I would prefer a defensive wing next to him. This was the issue with Rozier, this would be the issue with Herro. It would be fun to watch them run and gun, can't see them winning anything meaningful though.

[JustBuzzin]

My hope is Melo turns into a true superstar. He is already popular but if he can start turning us into a winning team I can see a future star down the line wanting to play with a guy like Melo.

[yosemiteben]

nobody has been able to tell me. better free throw shooter I guess? He's more limited defensively, and the main reason to want to move off of Rozier is to get *better* defenders next to LaMelo.

Seems like the fact that Rozier in his apex prime is matching 22 year old Herro stats should be a point in favor of Herro, no?

Herro's been the same guy since the playoffs of his rookie year so expecting him to magically get significantly better isn't a given.

Have to think odds on him not improving from the game he had as a 20 year old are pretty bad