The Jett Howard Thread

[drsd]

Not for me. Need and BPA aligned beautifully IMO

Indeed Orlando had that opening for 3rd string PG and Black will be really solid in that 12th man role for this team.


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I was thinking about the need for a point guard of the future. Cole and Fultz are expiring contracts and we drafted Black. I doubt they spent the 6th pick to fill a 3rd string vacancy.

Yeh I was being sarcastic. Seriously, Orlando needs to trade Suggs or Anthony. But it is clear that is not going to happen.

So Anthony "I will collect buckets of DNPCDs" Black will ride the bench hard. And Howard will probably spend more time in Osceola than Orlando.

Orlando is not going to pay C. Anthony the 17M a year he will request; friggen-just trade him now and make some court time for Black. Geez. Again: not gonna happen.

Vent over.

[eyriq]

Indeed Orlando had that opening for 3rd string PG and Black will be really solid in that 12th man role for this team.


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I was thinking about the need for a point guard of the future. Cole and Fultz are expiring contracts and we drafted Black. I doubt they spent the 6th pick to fill a 3rd string vacancy.

Yeh I was being sarcastic. Seriously, Orlando needs to trade Suggs or Anthony. But it is clear that is not going to happen.

So Anthony "I will collect buckets of DNPCDs" Black will ride the bench hard. And Howard will probably spend more time in Osceola than Orlando.

Orlando is not going to pay C. Anthony the 17M a year he will request; friggen-just trade him now and make some court time for Black. Geez. Again: not gonna happen.

Vent over.

I don't get why you'd think the obvious plan is "not going to happen". Why is it obviously not going to happen?

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Indeed Orlando had that opening for 3rd string PG and Black will be really solid in that 12th man role for this team.


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I was thinking about the need for a point guard of the future. Cole and Fultz are expiring contracts and we drafted Black. I doubt they spent the 6th pick to fill a 3rd string vacancy.

Yeh I was being sarcastic. Seriously, Orlando needs to trade Suggs or Anthony. But it is clear that is not going to happen.

So Anthony "I will collect buckets of DNPCDs" Black will ride the bench hard. And Howard will probably spend more time in Osceola than Orlando.

Orlando is not going to pay C. Anthony the 17M a year he will request; friggen-just trade him now and make some court time for Black. Geez. Again: not gonna happen.

Vent over.

Im curious why you continually say Anthony or Suggs as opposed to Fultz or G Harris.

Should Orlando be resigning older, more expensive, players over guys that are younger and on much friendlier contracts?

The drop off between the talent you are assuming is not exactly as vast as you think it happens to be. The ceiling is much higher and Cole/Suggs have better defined skill sets that work with Paolo/Franz.

[Residual-Heat]

Can we all agree that Fultz has to show more improvement this season or he needs to go? It just makes no sense to settle for a below average PG that cant shoot the 3. If he doesnt improve we HAVE to find a new starting PG and either move on from Fultz or move him to the bench.

[cedric76]

Jett is a SG

[RichCollab]

Jett is a SG

I think he will struggle to guard guards on defense.

SF may be his best position.

[mattdelray1220]

Jett is a SG

I think he will struggle to guard guards on defense.

SF may be his best position.

I do think it will take 1-2 years but I also believe he is SF. Needs to add some size which he will. I legit think he will be Franz back up for a long long time.

[p0peye]

Jett can shoot, but he's no guard.

Howard is clearly a combo-wing. But as he is too slow to guard SGs and too weak to guard SFs, expect him to log a LOT of DNCDs this year (and indeed most nights he won't be in uniform anyhow).

Howard's job this season is to improve his defensive foot work, do "something" to be competent in rebounding, and develop his body. Not to log NBA minutes.

Jonathan Clay was neither a PG nor a SG his rookie year, and as such, Redick was unplayable until him improved his team defensive abilities. In the same way, Howard will have that same trajectory over the first ~3 years in the NBA. But if healthy, Howard is a lock to be a rotational player in the NBA from the 2025/26 season and on. He is just too good a shooter to not be "useful".

He is the only shooter we have besides Harris and I fully expect him to be backing up Franz.

[p0peye]

Not for me. Need and BPA aligned beautifully IMO

Indeed Orlando had that opening for 3rd string PG and Black will be really solid in that 12th man role for this team.


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I was thinking about the need for a point guard of the future. Cole and Fultz are expiring contracts and we drafted Black. I doubt they spent the 6th pick to fill a 3rd string vacancy.

That'd be such a Bamba move, wouldn't it?

Nah, we're smarter org than one that picked that fool.

[SOUL]

Jett can shoot, but he's no guard.

Howard is clearly a combo-wing. But as he is too slow to guard SGs and too weak to guard SFs, expect him to log a LOT of DNCDs this year (and indeed most nights he won't be in uniform anyhow).

Howard's job this season is to improve his defensive foot work, do "something" to be competent in rebounding, and develop his body. Not to log NBA minutes.

Jonathan Clay was neither a PG nor a SG his rookie year, and as such, Redick was unplayable until him improved his team defensive abilities. In the same way, Howard will have that same trajectory over the first ~3 years in the NBA. But if healthy, Howard is a lock to be a rotational player in the NBA from the 2025/26 season and on. He is just too good a shooter to not be "useful".

He is the only shooter we have besides Harris and I fully expect him to be backing up Franz.

Ingles will back him up and is a shooter.. Black and Jett are going to get way less minutes than people expect unless there's injuries this year, but I think moving forward next year(s) that will open up.

[p0peye]

Howard is clearly a combo-wing. But as he is too slow to guard SGs and too weak to guard SFs, expect him to log a LOT of DNCDs this year (and indeed most nights he won't be in uniform anyhow).

Howard's job this season is to improve his defensive foot work, do "something" to be competent in rebounding, and develop his body. Not to log NBA minutes.

Jonathan Clay was neither a PG nor a SG his rookie year, and as such, Redick was unplayable until him improved his team defensive abilities. In the same way, Howard will have that same trajectory over the first ~3 years in the NBA. But if healthy, Howard is a lock to be a rotational player in the NBA from the 2025/26 season and on. He is just too good a shooter to not be "useful".

He is the only shooter we have besides Harris and I fully expect him to be backing up Franz.

Ingles will back him up and is a shooter.. Black and Jett are going to get way less minutes than people expect unless there's injuries this year, but I think moving forward next year(s) that will open up.

Oh right, totally forgot our great signing. Ingles will slide into that coveted 3rd string SF slot.

[drsd]

I don't get why you'd think the obvious plan is "not going to happen". Why is it obviously not going to happen?

Clearly we both want some sort of guard change (and I am sure we have opposing views on "who"). But let me flip this around: what scenario exists that will lead to WePark making a trade before opening night? I cannot see one.

[drsd]

Im curious why you continually say Anthony or Suggs as opposed to Fultz or G Harris.

Fascinating question!

M views:
i) G-Harris should be waived now or thrown in to any trade the Magic makes. He is flat horrible on offense. The Magic plays 4 on 5 basketball when he is on the court.
So, yes trade G-Harris if management believes Suggs is actually a SG and not a PG.

ii) As to Fultz, he is currently Orlando's best PG. He is the 19th best PG in the NBA. So, unless this is about trading Fultz for a top-18 PG, he needs to be retained this year.


If I was the spiritual overlord of WePark, I would puppet them to trade G-Harris and Anthony for a starting-capable SG. And I cannot, under any scenario, see my dream trade coming to fruition.

In conclusion, it is my opinion that every guard on this roster, including Howard and Black, is available in a trade to improve the guard rotation. It is just my view that it is unlikely Fultz will be traded this year.

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Im curious why you continually say Anthony or Suggs as opposed to Fultz or G Harris.

Fascinating question!

M views:
i) G-Harris should be waived now or thrown in to any trade the Magic makes. He is flat horrible on offense. The Magic plays 4 on 5 basketball when he is on the court.
So, yes trade G-Harris if management believes Suggs is actually a SG and not a PG.

ii) As to Fultz, he is currently Orlando's best PG. He is the 19th best PG in the NBA. So, unless this is about trading Fultz for a top-18 PG, he needs to be retained this year.


If I was the spiritual overlord of WePark, I would puppet them to trade G-Harris and Anthony for a starting-capable SG. And I cannot, under any scenario, see my dream trade coming to fruition.

In conclusion, it is my opinion that every guard on this roster, including Howard and Black, is available in a trade to improve the guard rotation. It is just my view that it is unlikely Fultz will be traded this year.

Red:
Why wouldn’t they? He played nearly all of his minutes last season with one of Fultz or Cole bringing the ball up the floor.

Blue:
This is ridiculous logic. Fultz started 60/60 of the games he was available for 30mpg. Cole 4/60 at 24mpg. Fultz in year 6 as the #1 pick should be better, but it really isn’t that close comparatively. Just because Fultz is better today doesn’t mean he will be later if you factor in the ceiling of Black or Cole. This is like saying schemes don’t matter and skill sets have no factor in team building. Orlando is in fact still acquiring talent and building a roster.

Green:
Teams like Orlando do not trade top lotto picks after being selected unless it’s an extremely rare scenario. It’s not going to happen. The likelier outcome is that they rot on the bench because Fultz and G Harris playing a zillion minutes with your “better than them now” logic wins out as opposed to cultivating talent other more successful organizations like Miami tend to do.

Nobody wants an Ibaka scenario where you trade multiple young players with high ceiling (Oladipo, Sabonis, etc) for an established washed player because you can’t get past the fact that todays players are better than tomorrows.

[drsd]

Red:
Why wouldn’t they? He played nearly all of his minutes last season with one of Fultz or Cole bringing the ball up the floor.

Blue:
This is ridiculous logic. Fultz started 60/60 of the games he was available for 30mpg. Cole 4/60 at 24mpg. Fultz in year 6 as the #1 pick should be better, but it really isn’t that close comparatively. Just because Fultz is better today doesn’t mean he will be later if you factor in the ceiling of Black or Cole. This is like saying schemes don’t matter and skill sets have no factor in team building. Orlando is in fact still acquiring talent and building a roster.

Green:
Teams like Orlando do not trade top lotto picks after being selected unless it’s an extremely rare scenario. It’s not going to happen. The likelier outcome is that they rot on the bench because Fultz and G Harris playing a zillion minutes with your “better than them now” logic makes more sense to them than cultivating talent other more successful organizations like Miami tend to do.

Red: Orlando needs to trade G-Harris because he is the worst starting SG in the league. But Suggs as a starting SG has not been tested as a companionship with Fultz. It is a huge question mark (mostly because Fultz broke his toe last off-season).

Blue: Orlando has four PGs. It is not ridiculous logic for the team to start the best of the four. What I think you are really getting at is that there is no upside in Fultz and that in subsequent years, FUltz will not be the future of this team. That might be true, but that has nothing to do with Fultz starting on opening night.

Green: there are loads of draft scenarios for Lillard that involved the team trading its pick. Example: if the Raptors get Lillard, Dick will be on the move as 100%.

In conclusion: do I think the Magic will trade either Black or Howard? Of course not. But it is false to say that either is untradeable.
Orlando only has two untradeable assets. (Three if you include Stuff !)

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Red:
Why wouldn’t they? He played nearly all of his minutes last season with one of Fultz or Cole bringing the ball up the floor.

Blue:
This is ridiculous logic. Fultz started 60/60 of the games he was available for 30mpg. Cole 4/60 at 24mpg. Fultz in year 6 as the #1 pick should be better, but it really isn’t that close comparatively. Just because Fultz is better today doesn’t mean he will be later if you factor in the ceiling of Black or Cole. This is like saying schemes don’t matter and skill sets have no factor in team building. Orlando is in fact still acquiring talent and building a roster.

Green:
Teams like Orlando do not trade top lotto picks after being selected unless it’s an extremely rare scenario. It’s not going to happen. The likelier outcome is that they rot on the bench because Fultz and G Harris playing a zillion minutes with your “better than them now” logic makes more sense to them than cultivating talent other more successful organizations like Miami tend to do.

Red: Orlando needs to trade G-Harris because he is the worst starting SG in the league. But Suggs as a starting SG has not been tested as a companionship with Fultz. It is a huge question mark (mostly because Fultz broke his toe last off-season).

Blue: Orlando has four PGs. It is not ridiculous logic for the team to start the best of the four. What I think you are really getting at is that there is no upside in Fultz and that in subsequent years, FUltz will not be the future of this team. That might be true, but that has nothing to do with Fultz starting on opening night.

Green: there are loads of draft scenarios for Lillard that involved the team trading its pick. Example: if the Raptors get Lillard, Dick will be on the move as 100%.

In conclusion: do I think the Magic will trade either Black or Howard? Of course not. But it is false to say that either is untradeable.
Orlando only has two untradeable assets. (Three if you include Stuff !)

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We will see what happens with Suggs. Fortunately we have the third year of his rookie contract to see.

It’s not that I don’t see upside with him. It’s that his skillset doesn’t highlight either of the players I’m assuming you are deeming untradeable in most scenarios. Black playing 5-8 mpg behind two guys in contract years will not settle anything. Fultz being the best point guard today says more about Cole than it does Black. If they resign both then it’s time to worry.

I’d argue the Raptors would be absolute losers in that trade. They could get more value in a total rebuild rather than moving Siakam, one of Barnes/OG, and Dick. Is Toronto’s roster even remotely good after that trade? The point is that you would like to believe your draft selections become major contributors sooner than later if taken as high as they were. Their value as picks was high before, not after, selection.

[Fortune Teller]

Suggs and Anthony likely have way more value than Fultz and Gary Harris, unless some other team really needs an expiring contract. Expiring deals don't have the value they used to. You have to give up something to get something. If the Magic really want to improve the team, Suggs is the most likely candidate.

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Monta Ellis is better than Steph Curry in year 1.
Jusuf Nurkic is better than Nikola Jokic year 1.
D’Aaron Fox is better than Tyrese Haliburton year 1.

You do realize how stupid it is to say these things now.

The only difference is that there isn’t 1 guy in front of them holding back playing time - there are two on Orlando’s roster for both Howard and Black.

I can’t take you seriously if you fail to see the correlation.