Fake Trade Thread #5

[yosemiteben]

We haven't made a big trade in 15 years

Trading Kemba doesn't count?

No? Kemba signed somewhere else. Because we turned it to a S&T doesn't mean anything, and literally nobody cared in the media that we did turn it into a trade

Yeah I guess I was more saying making the decision to move on from Kemba was a foundational decision but I see your point and that's not a great example

[yosemiteben]

This franchise continues to trade for overpaid players.

Can you name a single example in the last 5 years of this happening? 10?

This seems like a totally inaccurate characterization of how we operate.

Dwight Howard, signing Batum and Hayward to massive contracts. We have sucked for years man. Our front office have made questionable trades and signings.

You said trades. Dwight I guess kinda, but that's like the only example of us trading for salary, and even then I think he was expiring.

One example in 10 years is pretty much proving the opposite.

[SWedd523]

Seems like the fact that Rozier in his apex prime is matching 22 year old Herro stats should be a point in favor of Herro, no?

Herro's been the same guy since the playoffs of his rookie year so expecting him to magically get significantly better isn't a given.

Have to think odds on him not improving from the game he had as a 20 year old are pretty bad

The odds aren't zero and that's an expensive gamble to take on an archetype that we all kind of agree is a rocky fit next to the team's centerpiece

[JustBuzzin]

Can you name a single example in the last 5 years of this happening? 10?

This seems like a totally inaccurate characterization of how we operate.

Dwight Howard, signing Batum and Hayward to massive contracts. We have sucked for years man. Our front office have made questionable trades and signings.

You said trades. Dwight I guess kinda, but that's like the only example of us trading for salary, and even then I think he was expiring.

One example in 10 years is pretty much proving the opposite.

Sorry I meant trading and signing. We make bad moves is my point. This is why we have sucked for most of the decade.

[HornetJail]

Seems like the fact that Rozier in his apex prime is matching 22 year old Herro stats should be a point in favor of Herro, no?

Herro's been the same guy since the playoffs of his rookie year so expecting him to magically get significantly better isn't a given.

Have to think odds on him not improving from the game he had as a 20 year old are pretty bad

are you new to the Hornets? players not improving is kinda our thing

But like I said, he's been the same dude at 22, the same dude at 23. Gambling that he becomes a 1st + $5M better than the guy we already have doesn't feel like a smart move, that pick can be utilized much better, for example, bringing in some competent defenders on the wings? A forward to replace Bridges if/when he bolts in FA next summer?

[Rich4114]

What exactly does Herro provide that Rozier doesn't already do?

So far the only thing I have seen people say is he is taller and younger.lmao

nobody has been able to tell me. better free throw shooter I guess? He's more limited defensively, and the main reason to want to move off of Rozier is to get *better* defenders next to LaMelo.

He is at worst on par with Terry defensively, c'mon now. Terry offers nothing defensively. I also think Herro is a better ball handler coming up the court and running plays and a more reliable shooter. He's also a willing 6th man. And so far the last few times we had huge cap space, we spent it all on Batum and Hayward. Even if this improves us incrementally, it's the best chance to improve at that spot barring a lucky break in prospects popping.

[Rich4114]

Herro's been the same guy since the playoffs of his rookie year so expecting him to magically get significantly better isn't a given.

Have to think odds on him not improving from the game he had as a 20 year old are pretty bad

are you new to the Hornets? players not improving is kinda our thing

But like I said, he's been the same dude at 22, the same dude at 23. Gambling that he becomes a 1st + $5M better than the guy we already have doesn't feel like a smart move, that pick can be utilized much better, for example, bringing in some competent defenders on the wings? A forward to replace Bridges if/when he bolts in FA next summer?

Well I think the trade to get Herro would be for Hayward - which I'm not too keen on tbh but then that creates flexibility for a follow up trade moving Terry for a veteran wing who is more defensively oriented.

[JMAC3]

What exactly does Herro provide that Rozier doesn't already do?

So far the only thing I have seen people say is he is taller and younger.lmao

From a team building standpoint him being 6 years younger is a rather large reason that is it a massive upgrade.
Herro is on the way up, Rozier on the way down.

Over the last two years Herro 3.5% better from 3, pretty big difference in NBA standards.

Herro has also scored 20+ points on a top 8 team, Rozier scored 20+ on a bottom 8 team.
Herro missed this whole playoff run and still has 41 playoff games under his belt over the last 4 years compared to 0 for Rozier.

Herro shooting splits 49.7/37.8/93.8 this year.
Rozier shooting splits 48/32.4/80.9 this year.

[Bassman]

Dittos to JMAC3 and Rich4114 observations.

RealGM headline claims Raptors in drivers seat to deal with Portland…doesn’t sound like a third team needed. If so where does that leave Miami and Herro? Do we try to trade directly and, if so, what becomes the deal we’d be OK with? Any deal would have to improve their playoff push, and I see little we can realistically offer there. I’d gladly send Terry and Bouk, or Gordon, plus a first rounder, but Heat won’t value that over Tyler. Other teams interested in Herro, so doubt we get anything done.

[Rich4114]

What exactly does Herro provide that Rozier doesn't already do?

So far the only thing I have seen people say is he is taller and younger.lmao

From a team building standpoint him being 6 years younger is a rather large reason that is it a massive upgrade.
Herro is on the way up, Rozier on the way down.

Over the last two years Herro 3.5% better from 3, pretty big difference in NBA standards.

Herro has also scored 20+ points on a top 8 team, Rozier scored 20+ on a bottom 8 team.
Herro missed this whole playoff run and still has 41 playoff games under his belt over the last 4 years compared to 0 for Rozier.

Herro shooting splits 49.7/37.8/93.8 this year.
Rozier shooting splits 48/32.4/80.9 this year.

I was too lazy to look up the stats, but that is actually more of a disparity than I thought. How can we honestly sit here and be like "nah, would rather have Terry and wait it out for a superstar to demand a trade here"? Let's be real, we need to improve the roster whether it's incrementally or significantly and if you can swap Herro in for Terry it accomplishes that without hamstringing us in any realistic way.

[Rich4114]

Dittos to JMAC3 and Rich4114 observations.

RealGM headline claims Raptors in drivers seat to deal with Portland…doesn’t sound like a third team needed. If so where does that leave Miami and Herro? Do we try to trade directly and, if so, what becomes the deal we’d be OK with? Any deal would have to improve their playoff push, and I see little we can realistically offer there. I’d gladly send Terry and Bouk, or Gordon, plus a first rounder, but Heat won’t value that over Tyler. Other teams interested in Herro, so doubt we get anything done.

I agree, I think the Raptors moving in makes that Herro scenario unlikely. But who knows how that would work since Dame is still insisting on Miami, but Miami doesn't want to mortgage their future for Dame at $70m/yr (I wouldn't either).

[LofJ]

Go get Jrue now Mitch, he's exactly who this team needs:

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[JDR720]

I assume that trade takes out any potential Herro deals.

[Liver_Pooty]

Holiday Ayton and a future unprotected first is a damn good haul for lillard

[Liver_Pooty]

Go get Jrue now Mitch, he's exactly who this team needs:

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I wish

[LofJ]

Go get Jrue now Mitch, he's exactly who this team needs:

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I wish

Mitch isn't doing his job if he isn't at least making the pitch. He's about as good a fit for this roster/team as you could ask for. If he was a little bit younger he'd be the perfect fit. But he's close enough that Mitch should push hard for him.

[SWedd523]

Why did Phoenix do this trade?

[JDR720]

To get Ayton off the team and get depth.

[Chapelchilla]

What would it take to get Holiday? He apparently has 35 and 37 million coming in the next 2 years with 24 being a player option. I would be hesitant to give up too much in that scenario. But if they want Hayward or Rozier (and some other salary filler) I( would do that easily. I would not want to throw in more then a first as the sweetener and thats probably not what Portland wants. Who knows...?

[SWedd523]

Their title window is like the next 2, 3 years max.

They're worse now and sold super low on Ayton