Shams: Lillard to Milwaukee in three team deal

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People love to give the FO credit for the Barnes pick, but bare in mind we were slated to draft 8th - we just got insanely lucky with the lottery balls.

I cannot window dress the last 3 years have been very bad for the raptors and I will put a 1-2 year timeline on masai's tenure remaining with the raptors. It does look liek to me we may have to change things.

[Raptorfan2012]

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People love to give the FO credit for the Barnes pick, but bare in mind we were slated to draft 8th - we just got insanely lucky with the lottery balls.

Struck out on Spida, KD, and Dame? By that logic, 27 teams struck out on those 3 players...

[Spida888]

Not dangling OG for Lillard is pretty funny if true. We were never that serious to begin with. Probably just kicked the tires to see what value our players have - classic.

If FO didn't want to trade OG for Dame combined with multiple rumours about trading Pascal earlier, maybe they value OG more than Pascal.

[goinrogue]

Lol at blazers fans wanting Scottie Barnes and getting this. Ouch.

[LoveMyRaps]

FO has treated Siakam terribly.

Got him a competent center several years after forcing him to play with the likes of the dead corpse of Gasol & Bonafide Bum Baynes.

Refused to get him another star player to take some of the pressure off him. Hence, why he remains one of the league leaders in double teams attracted.

Refused to get him a playmaker that can set him up.

Giannis complained and basically threatened the Bucks organization and the FO acted fast and got him Dame.
Siakam is too quiet for his own good.

A #2 option making noise is not the same as a top 3 player in the league complaining.

Your comparison is bad.

No one is comparing the two players.
The FO made Siakam “that guy” and had all the faith in the world in him become one of the best players in the league. Yet instead of surrounding him the right pieces, ones that would bring the best out of Siakam, they surrounded him with 6’9 forwards that don’t know how to shoot.

The long boi experiment was an utter failure.

Siakam is a very talented player. One of the best playmakers at his position, so why didn’t they surround him with more shooters? He’s one of the best at creating down low, so why did they not get him a competent center till last year?

[Brinbe]

i get the frustration as we've been down this road a second time and struck out after KD last season and we know they were in on other guys too.

But there will be other stars and opportunities.

[Scase]

Which 2029 first rounder are you referring to ?

Grayson was not traded with a 1st rounder.

The Bucks traded their 2029 1st and 2 swaps in the Dame deal.

That deal isn't possible if the Bucks traded us the 2029 pick at last year's deadline for Fred, as rumoured. It makes the asset package much more complicated the same way our 2024 pick trade makes it for us.

Ok but was the Bucks 2029 1st available for FVV?

Or are you saying at the deadline we should have somehow had the foresight to trade for the Bucks picks to block them from trading for Dame? What salary was MIL giving up to obtain FVV AND give up picks?

Come on man

Yes, yes it was.
https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/milwaukee-bucks-made-trade-deadline-push-for-fred-vanvleet

[hype_2004]

HE could've been a Lillard Loonie now he's just a BUCK! will he even report? I 3xoect him to be professional but you just never know these days.

[Airmiess]

Dont try to compete this season, it was already a pipe dream but now it would be a waste of time.

[720]

I ain’t even mad. Glad we get to keep our young players and our picks. We are not ready to go all in and compete.

[Rapsfan07]

Fk man

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Even if that were remotely true, that's absolutely insane.

Maybe our front office is waiting for better offers next summer? Sure worked out well for us last time.

I was never on the "Trade for Dame" bandwagon but I'm interested in the implications of this report, if true.

If Masai never dangled OG, what exactly does he hope to get for him? There's no guarantee he stays with us after his current deal and even if he did, we're not a contender anyways.

Is he planning to get screwed again FVV style or... what's the angle?

[Prestige]

One thing this ordeal shows is that the Raptors are still very committed to going all in and competing. They want to make win now moves rather than patiently develop around Barnes and acquire young players that fit his timeline. Or they are trying to do both.

[LoveMyRaps]

i get the frustration as we've been down this road a second time and struck out after KD last season and we know they were in on other guys too.

But there will be other stars and opportunities.

And we’ll continue to strike out on other stars.
Masai has been a big believer of internal growth since day 1, he overvalues his guys and refuses to part ways with them for players that are significantly better.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Not dangling OG for Lillard is pretty funny if true. We were never that serious to begin with. Probably just kicked the tires to see what value our players have - classic.

If FO didn't want to trade OG for Dame combined with multiple rumours about trading Pascal earlier, maybe they value OG more than Pascal.

There's only Wolstat talking to a 'league source' (code for other journalist). I'd bet OG was offered. Doesn't matter now, he's still a Raptor.

[JB7]

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Underrated part of this deal. The Bucks will be awful by then. No way Masai could match this.

Yeah the more I look the more it makes sense for POR.

Ayton
2028 swap
2029 first
2030 swap

and then whatever you get for Jrue (say, another future 1st or 2 in 2029/2030) really is going to be a great return. They now have young studs, future picks, and some potential in Grant / Ayton who might be solid trade chips in 2-3 years once the cap rises if those 2 continue to grow.

IDK if an expiring OG really is better than all that.

If Cronin didn't offer Dame the choice, then this is about the choice between the known prize, and the mystery box.

Who's to say Bucks don't trade Giannis for a massive haul from OKC in two years, and by the time those picks roll around, Buck are competitive again.

[YogurtProducer]

The Bucks traded their 2029 1st and 2 swaps in the Dame deal.

That deal isn't possible if the Bucks traded us the 2029 pick at last year's deadline for Fred, as rumoured. It makes the asset package much more complicated the same way our 2024 pick trade makes it for us.

Ok but was the Bucks 2029 1st available for FVV?

Or are you saying at the deadline we should have somehow had the foresight to trade for the Bucks picks to block them from trading for Dame? What salary was MIL giving up to obtain FVV AND give up picks?

Come on man

Yes, yes it was.
https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/milwaukee-bucks-made-trade-deadline-push-for-fred-vanvleet

Milwaukee could have traded its 2029 first-round pick or a pick swap in 2028.

So AKA - absolutely no concrete clue if it was available and possibly the "first" was truly a swap and not a full first.

Media was also saying that Miami was guaranteed to get Dame. Why do we believe a word these "rumours" say?

That entire source is Grange. The same Grange that this morning had Miami getting Dame.

[sidsid]

Fk man

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Even if that were remotely true, that's absolutely insane.

Maybe our front office is waiting for better offers next summer? Sure worked out well for us last time.

Our offer doesn't require OG to beat or match the Heat/Bucks packages. We could offer the same or more picks, and add rookie scales if we needed in a Trent package.

That's an offer that is adequate but not overwhelming. The Blazers just chose another team.

The correct read by the FO is that Dame isn't good enough, and you need to retain assets in order to get good enough with follow up moves.

[Scase]

One thing this ordeal shows is that the Raptors are still very committed to going all in and competing. They want to make win now moves rather than patiently develop around Barnes and acquire young players that fit his timeline. Or they are trying to do both.

It could've been a hail mary type approach, I'm hopeful this signifies our hand being forced yet again, towards a rebuild.

[Inevitable]

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People love to give the FO credit for the Barnes pick, but bare in mind we were slated to draft 8th - we just got insanely lucky with the lottery balls.

I cannot window dress the last 3 years have been very bad for the raptors and I will put a 1-2 year timeline on masai's tenure remaining with the raptors. It does look liek to me we may have to change things.

If our media wasn’t owned by the team there would be big time questions asking if they are still fit for the job. We can’t expect failure and diminishing returns every single year. The fact they are one of the least active FOs makes it even worse.

[Tha Cynic]

what masai was offering lol

Yeah, doesn't make sense. Wouldn't Dick and OG easily be a better deal? I assume he only offered Dick and fillers. The first rounders probably finalized it for the Bucks.