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Post#81 » by Mtsportsfan » Sat Sep 9, 2023 7:04 pm

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Bud couldn't make guys hit shots, but how many 4-33 nights (using game 7 vs Bos as the example) in the playoffs do you need before you change up your Let it fly and Play Random offensive philosophy.

AG and Stotts don't have to be miracle workers here. All they have to do is what Bud didn't do. And that is tell a bunch of guys who can't hit 3's to stop spamming 3's. Do that and the offense should be noticeably improved.

Hopefully the days are over of Giannis scoring easily in the paint on 3 straight possessions, only to proceed to go 0-8 on 3's as his coach did nothing.


Excellent post in my opinion ! Buds in ability to make adjustments at key times or just the randomness of his offense was a killer ! The idea of just let it fly when we couldn't hit the broadside of barn and just keep doing drove me nuts, while Brooks down low was working against the heat only to not go back to it ( small example ) things like that drove me crazy !


If you hated Bud's let it fly approach I have a feeling you aren't going to like the Stotts offense very much


Didn't say I hated it ! Not a big fan of it though ! It was great in the regular season , but playoff times teams clamped down on us and we had no counter , just random play ! Thought Bud was a good coach not great !
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Post#82 » by raferfenix » Sat Sep 9, 2023 7:41 pm

midranger wrote:I’m hoping the Giannis playoff injury bug will improve if the new coach doesn’t have him going 1-on-5 from the top of the key every offensive playoff possession.


Stotts coached peak Shawn Kemp.

Curious if we see Giannis used differently.
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Post#83 » by CharityStripe34 » Sat Sep 9, 2023 8:47 pm

How about if some diminutive team tries to go small, go to the Freak/Brook pick and roll that was murdering Miami that they suddenly veered away from?
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Re: Bucks Roster this year is objectively better 

Post#84 » by Shaffty » Sat Sep 9, 2023 11:11 pm

Bud failed in every single playoffs, only bailed out by the basketball gods in that nets series.

I'm not sure how much credit he should get for getting the 1 seed in Giannis' literal prime
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Post#85 » by blazza18 » Sun Sep 10, 2023 1:20 am

midranger wrote:I’m hoping the Giannis playoff injury bug will improve if the new coach doesn’t have him going 1-on-5 from the top of the key every offensive playoff possession.


Griffin is going to come in and Giannis will immediately stop running over dudes, stop having yips at the line and make shots outside of 3 feet. We will find out Bud was holding him back the entire time.
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Post#86 » by raferfenix » Sun Sep 10, 2023 1:29 am

For all the reports about Giannis picking Griffin, that NYT interview sure didn’t reflect it.
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Post#87 » by Shaffty » Sun Sep 10, 2023 12:38 pm

raferfenix wrote:For all the reports about Giannis picking Griffin, that NYT interview sure didn’t reflect it.



those reports were incorrect. His only qualifier was he wanted a former player. So that made AG his favorite, they also got along well in the 1 on 1 interview. BUt it wasnt like I WANT AG, it was I want a former player, and AG is a former player.
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Re: Bucks Roster this year is objectively better 

Post#88 » by MVP2110 » Sun Sep 10, 2023 1:40 pm

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raferfenix wrote:For all the reports about Giannis picking Griffin, that NYT interview sure didn’t reflect it.



those reports were incorrect. His only qualifier was he wanted a former player. So that made AG his favorite, they also got along well in the 1 on 1 interview. BUt it wasnt like I WANT AG, it was I want a former player, and AG is a former player.


If that was truly his only qualifier then why were Nurse & Atkinson even finalists? Were they really willing to spurn GAs wishes?
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Re: Bucks Roster this year is objectively better 

Post#89 » by Shaffty » Sun Sep 10, 2023 2:25 pm

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raferfenix wrote:For all the reports about Giannis picking Griffin, that NYT interview sure didn’t reflect it.



those reports were incorrect. His only qualifier was he wanted a former player. So that made AG his favorite, they also got along well in the 1 on 1 interview. BUt it wasnt like I WANT AG, it was I want a former player, and AG is a former player.


If that was truly his only qualifier then why were Nurse & Atkinson even finalists? Were they really willing to spurn GAs wishes?



from all reports the Bucks had an extremly comprehensive search, its actually how AG got to the finalist stage even. They did zoom intereviews then phone interviews then in real life interviews, and AG earned his spot all the way.

I saw Atkinson was who Horst wanted and Nurse was who Wes wanted but I DONT KNOW if thats true. But it makes sense if those two were like the favorites of those running the process and AG was the one who actually won the process, and they trusted the process and went with him.

I dont think Giannis is the type of guy who would feel like his wishes were spurned if they went with one of the other two, he doesnt see himself as having that type of sway, or he tries not to be.
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Post#90 » by raferfenix » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:37 am

Maybe Giannis is challenging AG here.

I imagine the emphasis at media day will be much more positive.

Either way hopefully Chauncey Billups’ first head coaching gig turning into a rebuild Dame-be-damned won’t be a comparable situation.

Milwaukee fired its coach, Mike Budenholzer, and hired Adrian Griffin, who had been an assistant coach for the Toronto Raptors. That change, Antetokounmpo said, is part of why he is unsure if he’ll sign an extension.

“You’ve got to see the dynamics,” he said. “How the coach is going to be, how we’re going to be together. At the end of the day, I feel like all my teammates know and the organization knows that I want to win a championship. As long as we’re on the same page with that and you show me and we go together to win a championship, I’m all for it. The moment I feel like, oh, yeah, we’re trying to rebuild —”

He paused briefly before continuing.


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/24/sports/basketball/giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-contract.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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Re: Bucks Roster this year is objectively better 

Post#91 » by Shaffty » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:56 am

raferfenix wrote:Maybe Giannis is challenging AG here.

I imagine the emphasis at media day will be much more positive.

Either way hopefully Chauncey Billups’ first head coaching gig turning into a rebuild Dame-be-damned won’t be a comparable situation.

Milwaukee fired its coach, Mike Budenholzer, and hired Adrian Griffin, who had been an assistant coach for the Toronto Raptors. That change, Antetokounmpo said, is part of why he is unsure if he’ll sign an extension.

“You’ve got to see the dynamics,” he said. “How the coach is going to be, how we’re going to be together. At the end of the day, I feel like all my teammates know and the organization knows that I want to win a championship. As long as we’re on the same page with that and you show me and we go together to win a championship, I’m all for it. The moment I feel like, oh, yeah, we’re trying to rebuild —”

He paused briefly before continuing.


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/24/sports/basketball/giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-contract.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare



"I feel like all my teammates know and the organization knows that I want to win a championship. As long as we’re on the same page with that and you show me and we go together to win a championship, I’m all for it."

what more do you need? Why wouldn't we be on the same page on this?
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Post#92 » by raferfenix » Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:07 am

Shaffty wrote:”I feel like all my teammates know and the organization knows that I want to win a championship. As long as we’re on the same page with that and you show me and we go together to win a championship, I’m all for it."

what more do you need? Why wouldn't we be on the same page on this?


Giannis gave this NYT interview for a reason.

Are we sure he isn’t pissed we haven’t traded something like Jrue / 2029 first / 2028 and 2030 swaps / Bobby for Bradley Beal or Dame?

Or even just draft assets for someone like Sexton.
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Post#93 » by Shaffty » Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:12 am

raferfenix wrote:
Shaffty wrote:”I feel like all my teammates know and the organization knows that I want to win a championship. As long as we’re on the same page with that and you show me and we go together to win a championship, I’m all for it."

what more do you need? Why wouldn't we be on the same page on this?


Giannis gave this NYT interview for a reason.

Are we sure he isn’t pissed we haven’t traded something like Jrue / 2029 first / 2028 and 2030 swaps / Bobby for Bradley Beal or Dame?

Or even just draft assets for someone like Sexton.



we made that offer for beal but we can only offer 2029 till next year.


but this is how he presses his leverage. He said the same thing after the Bubble before the Jrue trade.
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Post#94 » by GoldenAntlers » Mon Sep 11, 2023 2:03 pm

It's a non-issue until we start sucking and do nothing about it.
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Post#95 » by mediocrityrules » Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:45 pm

I agree. This roster is now objectively better than last season.
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Re: Bucks Roster this year is objectively better 

Post#96 » by Jez2983 » Thu Sep 28, 2023 1:10 am

mediocrityrules wrote:I agree. This roster is now objectively better than last season.


I agree. We are in agreeance.
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Re: Bucks Roster this year is objectively better 

Post#97 » by crkone » Thu Sep 28, 2023 1:15 am

crkone wrote:The offense routinely **** the bed in the postseason because players couldn't make their open shots and now we're hoping a defensive coach and a couple retread assistants can turn it around with our top pick that shoots the three like he's in a shot put contest.


I believe my worries have dissipated a bit. :wink:

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Post#98 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Sep 28, 2023 1:19 am

You know what, I'm starting to see it. Team could be good.
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Post#99 » by emunney » Thu Sep 28, 2023 1:45 am

Tf are we going to do at SG now
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Re: Bucks Roster this year is objectively better 

Post#100 » by MVP2110 » Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:39 am

After squinting at it just right I think I see the path here
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