Dame traded to the Bucks!

[PDXKnight]

Now blazers fans that haven't can finally come to terms with the fact Dame is maybe the worst rapper out there. No hate I wish him the best but man his music stank

[DaVoiceMaster]

Totally, but I don't know how professional Cronin is, so far his resume:

tank a season
tank a season
promise to build around Dame and don't deliver
trade Dame for a worse deal out of spite

I don't know if Cronin wants to, but I think the Heat might offer 1 FRP + one of their young guys.

Yes, he absolutely traded Dame for a worse deal out of spite after ensuring other guys got where they wanted.

I know it's difficult for you to maybe reflect on whether the Heat just didn't offer what they could've.

You had a superstar who publicly wanted to go only to your team and your team didn't offer all it could. We're familiar here with holding onto young talent and picks rather than trade them for better players (CJ + picks for Jimmy, CJ + picks for PG13).

In the end Portland still traded him to a team he was fine with going to as we see from Marc Spears' report about Goodwin reaching out to the Nets and Milwaukee.

Jrue + a pick + two swaps is better than Herro + two picks, which is the latest reports on what Miami was willing to offer.

For Miami fans who want to come over here and try to derail our trade thread because you're upset Portland didn't acquiesce to Miami, move on. There's no need to personally do your part in lowering concerns about rising sea levels by draining all the salt out of the Atlantic.

I'm not trying to derail anything. I'm happy you guys got the deal done and Dame got to a reasonble destination. It's the first thing that I said.

Now the Heat had Herro, Jovic, JJJ + 3 FRPs, Caleb as assets that are close to a FRP and they really wanted Dame.
It is very difficult for me to imagine that the Portland FO went to them and said, hey here is the deal we have from Milwaukee if you don't beat it we take it.
They absolutely could have beaten that deal.

The way it went down from reports is that they just never went back to the Heat and were happy to take the Milwaukee offer.
It's fine with me, it is what it is and down the road offering everything the Heat have would have hurt them.

The Heat are fine, they have promising young guys and are banking on Herro making another leap.
The only one who really suffers here is Jimmy and that is the only part I am upset about, he played his heart out for the organization and they could not put another star next to him. Maybe they get smth. done, but the clock is ticking for him.

A lot of assumptions here. How do you know Riley offered offered Hero, Jovic, Jaquez, Martin, and 3 picks? I don't know whether that works financially. You can't assume 3 pucks either. Obtain the third pick, then you can claim to have 3 picks.

[Pattycakes]

Now blazers fans that haven't can finally come to terms with the fact Dame is maybe the worst rapper out there. No hate I wish him the best but man his music stank

Bro. I’m a huge hip hop guy but thank you for this. He is not the one. In that arena

[DaVoiceMaster]

I'm not overly excited about this return. Milwaukee essentially traded Holladay, Allen, a 2nd round pick (dunno his name), and a future pick. I don't know how I feel about pick Swaps, but they don't excite me at this point. Overall, it's not too exciting. If the Blazers can get something decent for Holladay, then I might be more excited.

[DusterBuster]

I should also add, if the Blazers did this deal out of spite to the Heat, I'm also 100% OK with that.

And there it is

Heat did nothing wrong here, blaming Miami for Dame wanting out is hilarious, Dame was upset at YOUR front office.

So Buster's opinion is now fact? Okay then...

Wait, it’s not!!?

[DiegoChara]

Totally, but I don't know how professional Cronin is, so far his resume:

tank a season
tank a season
promise to build around Dame and don't deliver
trade Dame for a worse deal out of spite

I don't know if Cronin wants to, but I think the Heat might offer 1 FRP + one of their young guys.

Yes, he absolutely traded Dame for a worse deal out of spite after ensuring other guys got where they wanted.

I know it's difficult for you to maybe reflect on whether the Heat just didn't offer what they could've.

You had a superstar who publicly wanted to go only to your team and your team didn't offer all it could. We're familiar here with holding onto young talent and picks rather than trade them for better players (CJ + picks for Jimmy, CJ + picks for PG13).

In the end Portland still traded him to a team he was fine with going to as we see from Marc Spears' report about Goodwin reaching out to the Nets and Milwaukee.

Jrue + a pick + two swaps is better than Herro + two picks, which is the latest reports on what Miami was willing to offer.

For Miami fans who want to come over here and try to derail our trade thread because you're upset Portland didn't acquiesce to Miami, move on. There's no need to personally do your part in lowering concerns about rising sea levels by draining all the salt out of the Atlantic.

Cronin didn't call Miami to tell them, "Milwaukee offered this. Can you beat it?"

Ayton was going to POR no matter which team was involved.

He just accepted an inferior offer without even trying to get more from Miami, and went against Dame's wishlist... 100% looks like spite.


You have a GM who mismanaged your GOAT Franchise player into demanding a trade, and then he makes spite trades fueled on emotion. Ouch.

And you have a GM who horribly overplayed his “there’s no market for Dame” hand. Woe to both of us I guess.

[PDXKnight]

Now blazers fans that haven't can finally come to terms with the fact Dame is maybe the worst rapper out there. No hate I wish him the best but man his music stank

Bro. I’m a huge hip hop guy but thank you for this. He is not the one. In that arena

I like hip hop as well, to each their own in regards to Dames music but definitely his money from basketball is the only reason he's had any success there

[DiegoChara]

Totally, but I don't know how professional Cronin is, so far his resume:

tank a season
tank a season
promise to build around Dame and don't deliver
trade Dame for a worse deal out of spite

I don't know if Cronin wants to, but I think the Heat might offer 1 FRP + one of their young guys.

Yes, he absolutely traded Dame for a worse deal out of spite after ensuring other guys got where they wanted.

I know it's difficult for you to maybe reflect on whether the Heat just didn't offer what they could've.

You had a superstar who publicly wanted to go only to your team and your team didn't offer all it could. We're familiar here with holding onto young talent and picks rather than trade them for better players (CJ + picks for Jimmy, CJ + picks for PG13).

In the end Portland still traded him to a team he was fine with going to as we see from Marc Spears' report about Goodwin reaching out to the Nets and Milwaukee.

Jrue + a pick + two swaps is better than Herro + two picks, which is the latest reports on what Miami was willing to offer.

For Miami fans who want to come over here and try to derail our trade thread because you're upset Portland didn't acquiesce to Miami, move on. There's no need to personally do your part in lowering concerns about rising sea levels by draining all the salt out of the Atlantic.

I'm not trying to derail anything. I'm happy you guys got the deal done and Dame got to a reasonble destination. It's the first thing that I said.

Now the Heat had Herro, Jovic, JJJ + 3 FRPs, Caleb as assets that are close to a FRP and they really wanted Dame.
It is very difficult for me to imagine that the Portland FO went to them and said, hey here is the deal we have from Milwaukee if you don't beat it we take it.
They absolutely could have beaten that deal.

The way it went down from reports is that they just never went back to the Heat and were happy to take the Milwaukee offer.
It's fine with me, it is what it is and down the road offering everything the Heat have would have hurt them.

The Heat are fine, they have promising young guys and are banking on Herro making another leap.
The only one who really suffers here is Jimmy and that is the only part I am upset about, he played his heart out for the organization and they could not put another star next to him. Maybe they get smth. done, but the clock is ticking for him.

I actually agree Portland should have told Miami they have an offer they were going to accept, and Miami had one last chance to put their best offer on the table.

But Miami shouldn’t have dicked around and really overplayed their hand.

Incidentally, the market for Jrue is better than the market for Herro, so Portland will end up with a better deal than what Miami had offered.

[DusterBuster]

Yes, he absolutely traded Dame for a worse deal out of spite after ensuring other guys got where they wanted.

I know it's difficult for you to maybe reflect on whether the Heat just didn't offer what they could've.

You had a superstar who publicly wanted to go only to your team and your team didn't offer all it could. We're familiar here with holding onto young talent and picks rather than trade them for better players (CJ + picks for Jimmy, CJ + picks for PG13).

In the end Portland still traded him to a team he was fine with going to as we see from Marc Spears' report about Goodwin reaching out to the Nets and Milwaukee.

Jrue + a pick + two swaps is better than Herro + two picks, which is the latest reports on what Miami was willing to offer.

For Miami fans who want to come over here and try to derail our trade thread because you're upset Portland didn't acquiesce to Miami, move on. There's no need to personally do your part in lowering concerns about rising sea levels by draining all the salt out of the Atlantic.

I'm not trying to derail anything. I'm happy you guys got the deal done and Dame got to a reasonble destination. It's the first thing that I said.

Now the Heat had Herro, Jovic, JJJ + 3 FRPs, Caleb as assets that are close to a FRP and they really wanted Dame.
It is very difficult for me to imagine that the Portland FO went to them and said, hey here is the deal we have from Milwaukee if you don't beat it we take it.
They absolutely could have beaten that deal.

The way it went down from reports is that they just never went back to the Heat and were happy to take the Milwaukee offer.
It's fine with me, it is what it is and down the road offering everything the Heat have would have hurt them.

The Heat are fine, they have promising young guys and are banking on Herro making another leap.
The only one who really suffers here is Jimmy and that is the only part I am upset about, he played his heart out for the organization and they could not put another star next to him. Maybe they get smth. done, but the clock is ticking for him.

I actually agree Portland should have told Miami they have an offer they were going to accept, and Miami had one last chance to put their best offer on the table.

But Miami shouldn’t have dicked around and really overplayed their hand.

Incidentally, the market for Jrue is better than the market for Herro, so Portland will end up with a better deal than what Miami had offered.

No front office would ever do that courtesy call. Miami couldn’t match or beat it, so what is Portland making that call to the Heat for?

When a trade is close, you don’t put it on pause and go “hey, I need to talk to this other team real quick”. You get your offers and make the decision, you don’t have a trade ready and pause it to make other calls. That is a perfect way to lose the trade you are close to making. Teams are fast to pull offers, it’s a negotiation tactic. Blazers knew the best offer the Heat could make when they had this Milwaukee offer on the table. There was no reason to delay the decision or “run it by Riley”.

[Norm2953]

Portland likely felt Miami not budging in what they were offering since July did not earn
a call back.

Trade is not yet complete for if Portland can get solid assets from trading Jrue, trade would
be a solid trade for both Portland/Milwaukee. It would be better to get a solid FRP over two
mediocre FRP's and a PF who could contribute for Portland still has nobody proven behind
Ayton.

[DiegoChara]

I'm not trying to derail anything. I'm happy you guys got the deal done and Dame got to a reasonble destination. It's the first thing that I said.

Now the Heat had Herro, Jovic, JJJ + 3 FRPs, Caleb as assets that are close to a FRP and they really wanted Dame.
It is very difficult for me to imagine that the Portland FO went to them and said, hey here is the deal we have from Milwaukee if you don't beat it we take it.
They absolutely could have beaten that deal.

The way it went down from reports is that they just never went back to the Heat and were happy to take the Milwaukee offer.
It's fine with me, it is what it is and down the road offering everything the Heat have would have hurt them.

The Heat are fine, they have promising young guys and are banking on Herro making another leap.
The only one who really suffers here is Jimmy and that is the only part I am upset about, he played his heart out for the organization and they could not put another star next to him. Maybe they get smth. done, but the clock is ticking for him.

I actually agree Portland should have told Miami they have an offer they were going to accept, and Miami had one last chance to put their best offer on the table.

But Miami shouldn’t have dicked around and really overplayed their hand.

Incidentally, the market for Jrue is better than the market for Herro, so Portland will end up with a better deal than what Miami had offered.

No front office would ever do that courtesy call. Miami couldn’t match or beat it, so what is Portland making that call to the Heat for?

When a trade is close, you don’t put it on pause and go “hey, I need to talk to this other team real quick”. You get your offers and make the decision, you don’t have a trade ready and pause it to make other calls. That is a perfect way to lose the trade you are close to making. Teams are fast to pull offers, it’s a negotiation tactic. Blazers knew the best offer the Heat could make when they had this Milwaukee offer on the table. There was no reason to delay the decision or “run it by Riley”.

It’s not a courtesy call. It’s an attempt to get the best possible deal.

If Miami offered everything (Herro redirected, Jovic, Jaquez, 2 firsts, 2 swaps) I do think that’s better than Jrue, a first, and 2 swaps.
I guess depending on what we get for Jrue.

[VaDe255]

I'm not trying to derail anything. I'm happy you guys got the deal done and Dame got to a reasonble destination. It's the first thing that I said.

Now the Heat had Herro, Jovic, JJJ + 3 FRPs, Caleb as assets that are close to a FRP and they really wanted Dame.
It is very difficult for me to imagine that the Portland FO went to them and said, hey here is the deal we have from Milwaukee if you don't beat it we take it.
They absolutely could have beaten that deal.

The way it went down from reports is that they just never went back to the Heat and were happy to take the Milwaukee offer.
It's fine with me, it is what it is and down the road offering everything the Heat have would have hurt them.

The Heat are fine, they have promising young guys and are banking on Herro making another leap.
The only one who really suffers here is Jimmy and that is the only part I am upset about, he played his heart out for the organization and they could not put another star next to him. Maybe they get smth. done, but the clock is ticking for him.

I actually agree Portland should have told Miami they have an offer they were going to accept, and Miami had one last chance to put their best offer on the table.

But Miami shouldn’t have dicked around and really overplayed their hand.

Incidentally, the market for Jrue is better than the market for Herro, so Portland will end up with a better deal than what Miami had offered.

No front office would ever do that courtesy call. Miami couldn’t match or beat it, so what is Portland making that call to the Heat for?

When a trade is close, you don’t put it on pause and go “hey, I need to talk to this other team real quick”. You get your offers and make the decision, you don’t have a trade ready and pause it to make other calls. That is a perfect way to lose the trade you are close to making. Teams are fast to pull offers, it’s a negotiation tactic. Blazers knew the best offer the Heat could make when they had this Milwaukee offer on the table. There was no reason to delay the decision or “run it by Riley”.

You don't put competitors for your player against each other to get the best offer? I guess if you are Cronin you don't.

[DusterBuster]

I actually agree Portland should have told Miami they have an offer they were going to accept, and Miami had one last chance to put their best offer on the table.

But Miami shouldn’t have dicked around and really overplayed their hand.

Incidentally, the market for Jrue is better than the market for Herro, so Portland will end up with a better deal than what Miami had offered.

No front office would ever do that courtesy call. Miami couldn’t match or beat it, so what is Portland making that call to the Heat for?

When a trade is close, you don’t put it on pause and go “hey, I need to talk to this other team real quick”. You get your offers and make the decision, you don’t have a trade ready and pause it to make other calls. That is a perfect way to lose the trade you are close to making. Teams are fast to pull offers, it’s a negotiation tactic. Blazers knew the best offer the Heat could make when they had this Milwaukee offer on the table. There was no reason to delay the decision or “run it by Riley”.

It’s not a courtesy call. It’s an attempt to get the best possible deal.

If Miami offered everything (Herro redirected, Jovic, Jaquez, 2 firsts, 2 swaps) I do think that’s better than Jrue, a first, and 2 swaps.
I guess depending on what we get for Jrue.

Miami had 3 god damn months to improve their offer. They made the Blazers do the legwork to see what Herro’s trade value was and Miami clearly were set in that they had their final offer already in.

Again, there was zero reason to go back to the Heat here. Even if this made them get their **** in gear and start looking for a Herro deal to improve their offer, at this point they were so far behind schedule, there was no time. They wanted to get this done, Miami knew Portland was having serious discussions with other teams. They didn’t make any effort to reach back out and say they’re working on things to improve an offer. They kept with their opinion Portland would crap out and just take whatever they offer in the end to resolve it before camp.

So yeah, I agree with everything else you said in your first post, but going back to Miami would have been at best a waste, at worst, risking the Milwaukee deal falling apart.

[DusterBuster]

I actually agree Portland should have told Miami they have an offer they were going to accept, and Miami had one last chance to put their best offer on the table.

But Miami shouldn’t have dicked around and really overplayed their hand.

Incidentally, the market for Jrue is better than the market for Herro, so Portland will end up with a better deal than what Miami had offered.

No front office would ever do that courtesy call. Miami couldn’t match or beat it, so what is Portland making that call to the Heat for?

When a trade is close, you don’t put it on pause and go “hey, I need to talk to this other team real quick”. You get your offers and make the decision, you don’t have a trade ready and pause it to make other calls. That is a perfect way to lose the trade you are close to making. Teams are fast to pull offers, it’s a negotiation tactic. Blazers knew the best offer the Heat could make when they had this Milwaukee offer on the table. There was no reason to delay the decision or “run it by Riley”.

You don't put competitors for your player against each other to get the best offer? I guess if you are Cronin you don't.

You’re very very very dense. I actually remember you from before too, reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Not going to bother trying to explain this any clearer and waste my time.

[VaDe255]

No front office would ever do that courtesy call. Miami couldn’t match or beat it, so what is Portland making that call to the Heat for?

When a trade is close, you don’t put it on pause and go “hey, I need to talk to this other team real quick”. You get your offers and make the decision, you don’t have a trade ready and pause it to make other calls. That is a perfect way to lose the trade you are close to making. Teams are fast to pull offers, it’s a negotiation tactic. Blazers knew the best offer the Heat could make when they had this Milwaukee offer on the table. There was no reason to delay the decision or “run it by Riley”.

You don't put competitors for your player against each other to get the best offer? I guess if you are Cronin you don't.

You’re very very very dense. I actually remember you from before too, reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Not going to bother trying to explain this any clearer and waste my time.

Thanks, I try my best to be as dense as possible.

[DiegoChara]

No front office would ever do that courtesy call. Miami couldn’t match or beat it, so what is Portland making that call to the Heat for?

When a trade is close, you don’t put it on pause and go “hey, I need to talk to this other team real quick”. You get your offers and make the decision, you don’t have a trade ready and pause it to make other calls. That is a perfect way to lose the trade you are close to making. Teams are fast to pull offers, it’s a negotiation tactic. Blazers knew the best offer the Heat could make when they had this Milwaukee offer on the table. There was no reason to delay the decision or “run it by Riley”.

It’s not a courtesy call. It’s an attempt to get the best possible deal.

If Miami offered everything (Herro redirected, Jovic, Jaquez, 2 firsts, 2 swaps) I do think that’s better than Jrue, a first, and 2 swaps.
I guess depending on what we get for Jrue.

Miami had 3 god damn months to improve their offer. They made the Blazers do the legwork to see what Herro’s trade value was and Miami clearly were set in that they had their final offer already in.

Again, there was zero reason to go back to the Heat here. Even if this made them get their **** in gear and start looking for a Herro deal to improve their offer, at this point they were so far behind schedule, there was no time. They wanted to get this done, Miami knew Portland was having serious discussions with other teams. They didn’t make any effort to reach back out and say they’re working on things to improve an offer. They kept with their opinion Portland would crap out and just take whatever they offer in the end to resolve it before camp.

So yeah, I agree with everything else you said in your first post, but going back to Miami would have been at best a waste, at worst, risking the Milwaukee deal falling apart.

I just don’t see any risk. That Milwaukee offer wasn’t going anywhere. Where would it have gone? There’s not really an alternative for Milwaukee.

I do agree Miami dicked around. They didn’t necessarily DESERVE a chance to up their offer at the last minute. And I won’t deny I do feel some schadenfreude that they struck out. But ultimately I care most about the Blazers getting the best possible deal. Checking back with Miami would have been the better move to achieve that end.

[DusterBuster]

It’s not a courtesy call. It’s an attempt to get the best possible deal.

If Miami offered everything (Herro redirected, Jovic, Jaquez, 2 firsts, 2 swaps) I do think that’s better than Jrue, a first, and 2 swaps.
I guess depending on what we get for Jrue.

Miami had 3 god damn months to improve their offer. They made the Blazers do the legwork to see what Herro’s trade value was and Miami clearly were set in that they had their final offer already in.

Again, there was zero reason to go back to the Heat here. Even if this made them get their **** in gear and start looking for a Herro deal to improve their offer, at this point they were so far behind schedule, there was no time. They wanted to get this done, Miami knew Portland was having serious discussions with other teams. They didn’t make any effort to reach back out and say they’re working on things to improve an offer. They kept with their opinion Portland would crap out and just take whatever they offer in the end to resolve it before camp.

So yeah, I agree with everything else you said in your first post, but going back to Miami would have been at best a waste, at worst, risking the Milwaukee deal falling apart.

I just don’t see any risk. That Milwaukee offer wasn’t going anywhere. Where would it have gone? There’s not really an alternative for Milwaukee.

I do agree Miami dicked around. They didn’t necessarily DESERVE a chance to up their offer at the last minute. And I won’t deny I do feel some schadenfreude that they struck out. But ultimately I care most about the Blazers getting the best possible deal. Checking back with Miami would have been the better move to achieve that end.

I would recommend listening to GM interviews when they discuss the dynamics of negotiating a trade. It’s a very fluid situation and that Milwaukee trade could have been pulled or maybe with too much time they remove some pieces. It happens all the time and teams put time limits on offers regularly to get deals completed.

So I’m not talking about personal opinion or what I think here, this is how trades work from people who’ve made them. There can be a risk if you take too long on any trade. I’m sorry, but it’s flat out wrong to say “that deal was always going to be there”. That’s just factually inaccurate based on what every GM has said in trade negotiations.

[VaDe255]

It’s not a courtesy call. It’s an attempt to get the best possible deal.

If Miami offered everything (Herro redirected, Jovic, Jaquez, 2 firsts, 2 swaps) I do think that’s better than Jrue, a first, and 2 swaps.
I guess depending on what we get for Jrue.

Miami had 3 god damn months to improve their offer. They made the Blazers do the legwork to see what Herro’s trade value was and Miami clearly were set in that they had their final offer already in.

Again, there was zero reason to go back to the Heat here. Even if this made them get their **** in gear and start looking for a Herro deal to improve their offer, at this point they were so far behind schedule, there was no time. They wanted to get this done, Miami knew Portland was having serious discussions with other teams. They didn’t make any effort to reach back out and say they’re working on things to improve an offer. They kept with their opinion Portland would crap out and just take whatever they offer in the end to resolve it before camp.

So yeah, I agree with everything else you said in your first post, but going back to Miami would have been at best a waste, at worst, risking the Milwaukee deal falling apart.

I just don’t see any risk. That Milwaukee offer wasn’t going anywhere. Where would it have gone? There’s not really an alternative for Milwaukee.

I do agree Miami dicked around. They didn’t necessarily DESERVE a chance to up their offer at the last minute. And I won’t deny I do feel some schadenfreude that they struck out. But ultimately I care most about the Blazers getting the best possible deal. Checking back with Miami would have been the better move to achieve that end.

It is pretty obvious Cronin didn't want to trade Dame to Miami.
My guess is, it had not much to do with the Heat, but rather the personal fallout these two guys had.
Dame showed it by making the request the way he did and Cronin showed it by taking the deal that he did.

[DaVoiceMaster]

I'm not trying to derail anything. I'm happy you guys got the deal done and Dame got to a reasonble destination. It's the first thing that I said.

Now the Heat had Herro, Jovic, JJJ + 3 FRPs, Caleb as assets that are close to a FRP and they really wanted Dame.
It is very difficult for me to imagine that the Portland FO went to them and said, hey here is the deal we have from Milwaukee if you don't beat it we take it.
They absolutely could have beaten that deal.

The way it went down from reports is that they just never went back to the Heat and were happy to take the Milwaukee offer.
It's fine with me, it is what it is and down the road offering everything the Heat have would have hurt them.

The Heat are fine, they have promising young guys and are banking on Herro making another leap.
The only one who really suffers here is Jimmy and that is the only part I am upset about, he played his heart out for the organization and they could not put another star next to him. Maybe they get smth. done, but the clock is ticking for him.

I actually agree Portland should have told Miami they have an offer they were going to accept, and Miami had one last chance to put their best offer on the table.

But Miami shouldn’t have dicked around and really overplayed their hand.

Incidentally, the market for Jrue is better than the market for Herro, so Portland will end up with a better deal than what Miami had offered.

No front office would ever do that courtesy call. Miami couldn’t match or beat it, so what is Portland making that call to the Heat for?

When a trade is close, you don’t put it on pause and go “hey, I need to talk to this other team real quick”. You get your offers and make the decision, you don’t have a trade ready and pause it to make other calls. That is a perfect way to lose the trade you are close to making. Teams are fast to pull offers, it’s a negotiation tactic. Blazers knew the best offer the Heat could make when they had this Milwaukee offer on the table. There was no reason to delay the decision or “run it by Riley”.

It sounds like you watched Shark Tank!!!

[Shem]

And there it is

Heat did nothing wrong here, blaming Miami for Dame wanting out is hilarious, Dame was upset at YOUR front office.

So Buster's opinion is now fact? Okay then...

Wait, it’s not!!?

No offense buddy!