Dame traded to the Bucks!

[Tatum43]

End of an era. I thought the value you got was excellent. Much better than Herro (lol) and some picks

[ChiTownHero1992]

Hard to say as its super early but Suns might've won this trade they got a bunch of Depth and replaced Ayton with nearly equal value.

Bucks will be scary for the next 2-3 years!

Blazers have the nice path to a rebuild with Scoot/Simons/Sharpe that guard rotation looks fun!

[Capn'O]

I should also add, if the Blazers did this deal out of spite to the Heat, I'm also 100% OK with that.

I'm honestly fine if they did it just to spite a few insufferable Heat fans on these boards who felt entitled to Dame all summer and are now throwing a tantrum.

I and many others think this package is better, we will see once the Jrue trade is finalized. The Blazers are letting teams know he is tradable if any team has an interest. So I assume he will be traded before the season starts, I would be a bit surprised if he is a Blazer when the pre-season starts.

The regular season starts in 27 days so it's not like they only have a few days to trade him.

I also think it's better and probably better than Miami's best offer as they could only provide incremental improvements. The resale market for JRue is gonna be hot and if they don't find something right away he provides good mentorship. I'm not particularly high on Herro.

[Moonbeam]

What a saga this was. I feel kind of happy that Dame ended up in Milwaukee — he’ll get a real shot to contend for a title there, and I hope he gets one.

The return is… not great at first glance. It hinges on the potential for Ayton to put it together consistently and what the Blazers can get in return for Jrue. Part of that may be comparing this deal to recent deals for guys like Gobert and Mitchell, but the reality of the new CBA and the one-team request certainly had an impact. I think Portland has a few years in the wilderness ahead. That might be good if they can nail some draft picks and Scoot and/or Sharpe break out.

There is some bittersweet irony in Portland trading for a player within 2 years of being an All-Star for the first time since they traded for Dame, and that it was not only a PG, but a PG who stifled Dame and the Blazers in 2018 in a series that should have led to Portland making drastic changes to their roster.

Time to get excited for the Scoot era! I’m all aboard.

[Capn'O]

What a saga this was. I feel kind of happy that Dame ended up in Milwaukee — he’ll get a real shot to contend for a title there, and I hope he gets one.

The return is… not great at first glance. It hinges on the potential for Ayton to put it together consistently and what the Blazers can get in return for Jrue. Part of that may be comparing this deal to recent deals for guys like Gobert and Mitchell, but the reality of the new CBA and the one-team request certainly had an impact. I think Portland has a few years in the wilderness ahead. That might be good if they can nail some draft picks and Scoot and/or Sharpe break out.

There is some bittersweet irony in Portland trading for a player within 2 years of being an All-Star for the first time since they traded for Dame, and that it was not only a PG, but a PG who stifled Dame and the Blazers in 2018 in a series that should have led to Portland making drastic changes to their roster.

Time to get excited for the Scoot era! I’m all aboard.

He was an all star last season.

I agree that Jrue/Dame would've been a great backcourt.

[Moonbeam]

What a saga this was. I feel kind of happy that Dame ended up in Milwaukee — he’ll get a real shot to contend for a title there, and I hope he gets one.

The return is… not great at first glance. It hinges on the potential for Ayton to put it together consistently and what the Blazers can get in return for Jrue. Part of that may be comparing this deal to recent deals for guys like Gobert and Mitchell, but the reality of the new CBA and the one-team request certainly had an impact. I think Portland has a few years in the wilderness ahead. That might be good if they can nail some draft picks and Scoot and/or Sharpe break out.

There is some bittersweet irony in Portland trading for a player within 2 years of being an All-Star for the first time since they traded for Dame, and that it was not only a PG, but a PG who stifled Dame and the Blazers in 2018 in a series that should have led to Portland making drastic changes to their roster.

Time to get excited for the Scoot era! I’m all aboard.

He was an all star last season.

I agree that Jrue/Dame would've been a great backcourt.

Yes, I know Jrue was (rightfully!) an All-Star last season. Earlier this year, I looked into transactions involving All-Stars and players within 2 years of an All-Star berth. Portland hadn’t landed an All-Star calibre player by this metric since they traded Gerald Wallace for the pick that became Lillard. That they now have gotten one who was actually an All-Star last year, but only in return for Dame (and at the same position) kind of hurts.

[m0ng0]

So can someone tell me what a pick swap is? We get the better between ours and theirs in that years draft? If that's the case in essence we got one first for Dame?

[IceColdCubano]

Heat fan here, I am really glad this thing is over with, for real. Both teams can finally move on and work on whats on the roster for their future. I am also happy that Dame at least was sent to a situation to win a championship which was his ultimate desire.

I know he had his heart set on coming to Miami, and the stuff coming out now doesn't make the deal Portland took better than what Miami had waiting which is a shame. Shams is reporting all sort of stuff this morning, like Lillards agent found out that the deal for Toronto was close and that's when he pivoted and told Milwaukee and Brooklyn that Dame would be willing to go to their team. Dame wanted zero to do with the Toronto raptors. Shams also reported that Miami had an offer waiting, that also included bringing Phoenix in to get you guys Ayton additionally to the Heat assets. However it seems it was out of Cronins hands, it was above him that was the decision not to deal with Miami. Also the initial conversation with Miami from the get go was Lillard for Bam or Jimmy only from Portland's side, they did not want to hear about anything else.

I will just leave this here, so its sounding more like there was some bad blood created mostly by Lillards Agent here not necessarily Miami's front office.

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[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Heat fan here, I am really glad this thing is over with, for real. Both teams can finally move on and work on whats on the roster for their future. I am also happy that Dame at least was sent to a situation to win a championship which was his ultimate desire.

I know he had his heart set on coming to Miami, and the stuff coming out now doesn't make the deal Portland took better than what Miami had waiting which is a shame. Shams is reporting all sort of stuff this morning, like Lillards agent found out that the deal for Toronto was close and that's when he pivoted and told Milwaukee and Brooklyn that Dame would be willing to go to their team. Dame wanted zero to do with the Toronto raptors. Shams also reported that Miami had an offer waiting, that also included bringing Phoenix in to get you guys Ayton additionally to the Heat assets. However it seems it was out of Cronins hands, it was above him that was the decision not to deal with Miami. Also the initial conversation with Miami from the get go was Lillard for Bam or Jimmy only from Portland's side, they did not want to hear about anything else.

I will just leave this here, so its sounding more like there was some bad blood created mostly by Lillards Agent here not necessarily Miami's front office.

Read on Twitter

Also reported that the Heat were willing to send Caleb Martin to PHX to facilitate Deandre Ayton to POR, as part of the deal


Apparently, the Heat were offering

-3- first round picks (2 of these frp's coming from a different team, not Miami),
multiple swaps,
(sending Herro to another team),
Nikola Jovic (a promising 20 yr old big man prospect who we are high on)
and facilitating Ayton to Portland by sending Caleb Martin to PHX.

Cronin was not interested, and no attempt was made to try and inform the Heat of Milwaukee's offer, to create a bidding war, to try and "get the best possible return"

[Brandon-Clyde]

Heat fan here, I am really glad this thing is over with, for real. Both teams can finally move on and work on whats on the roster for their future. I am also happy that Dame at least was sent to a situation to win a championship which was his ultimate desire.

I know he had his heart set on coming to Miami, and the stuff coming out now doesn't make the deal Portland took better than what Miami had waiting which is a shame. Shams is reporting all sort of stuff this morning, like Lillards agent found out that the deal for Toronto was close and that's when he pivoted and told Milwaukee and Brooklyn that Dame would be willing to go to their team. Dame wanted zero to do with the Toronto raptors. Shams also reported that Miami had an offer waiting, that also included bringing Phoenix in to get you guys Ayton additionally to the Heat assets. However it seems it was out of Cronins hands, it was above him that was the decision not to deal with Miami. Also the initial conversation with Miami from the get go was Lillard for Bam or Jimmy only from Portland's side, they did not want to hear about anything else.

I will just leave this here, so its sounding more like there was some bad blood created mostly by Lillards Agent here not necessarily Miami's front office.

Read on Twitter

Also reported that the Heat were willing to send Caleb Martin to PHX to facilitate Deandre Ayton to POR, as part of the deal


Apparently, the Heat were offering

-3- first round picks,
multiple swaps,
(sending Herro to another team),
Nikola Jovic (a promising 20 yr old big man prospect who we are high on)
and facilitating Ayton to Portland by sending Caleb Martin to PHX.

Cronin was not interested, and no attempt was made to try and inform the Heat of Milwaukee's offer, to create a bidding war, to try and "get the best possible return"

Miami had 3 months to find a deal for Herro to get Portland what they wanted. No need to wait any longer.

[zzaj]

As long as those FRPs suck (they would have) and as long as those swaps were when Miami was good (they would be)...those picks are garbage. Blazers were smart and went with the long game UFRP and swaps with a likely bad team when they themselves will be on the rise...plus potential in Jrue trade.

Plus, "reports" can say whatever they want...we know that Miami is working over time to try and save face in this PR disaster.

Face it Miami...your team is smoldering out. You have some long years ahead of you, and Riley made it so. You can try and spin this however you want, but FRPs in the 20s aren't as valuable as UFRPs.

[DusterBuster]

:

Heat fan here, I am really glad this thing is over with, for real. Both teams can finally move on and work on whats on the roster for their future. I am also happy that Dame at least was sent to a situation to win a championship which was his ultimate desire.

I know he had his heart set on coming to Miami, and the stuff coming out now doesn't make the deal Portland took better than what Miami had waiting which is a shame. Shams is reporting all sort of stuff this morning, like Lillards agent found out that the deal for Toronto was close and that's when he pivoted and told Milwaukee and Brooklyn that Dame would be willing to go to their team. Dame wanted zero to do with the Toronto raptors. Shams also reported that Miami had an offer waiting, that also included bringing Phoenix in to get you guys Ayton additionally to the Heat assets. However it seems it was out of Cronins hands, it was above him that was the decision not to deal with Miami. Also the initial conversation with Miami from the get go was Lillard for Bam or Jimmy only from Portland's side, they did not want to hear about anything else.

I will just leave this here, so its sounding more like there was some bad blood created mostly by Lillards Agent here not necessarily Miami's front office.

Read on Twitter

I refuse to believe anything coming from Shams. He was out of the loop on this from the getgo and for as many Heat members saying Woj was bought and sold by the Blazers (laughable), the only one that was true for was Shams and Miami.

Shams has zero Blazers sources, rumor here is they shut him out after the Payton trade / injury reporting debacle. He let Bob Myers use him to slander the Blazers FO and medical staff with false accusations for weeks. He was wrong on almost every Lillard report, and now he’s conveniently the only reporter to claim the Heat had this “HUGE” offer for Portland… right.

Additionally, even if you want to believe this, that trade has big flaws. Jacquez isn’t in the deal, Blazers stuck with Herro who has no market right now and doesn’t fit the team, Blazers are also lacking the extra pieces they needed to get the Ayton deal done.

Was there bad blood, I’m sure there was probably some. Likely stemming from the report that the Heat “laughed in the Blazers faces” over their offer of 3 and extra pieces for Bam. It’s one thing to turn a deal down privately or say they aren’t interested in a reported rumor like Brooklyn did after the report the Blazers made a big offer for Bridges, it’s another thing to basically attempt to humiliate a franchise in public. It’s a **** way of doing business and you know it.

Allll that said, I still believe this was the better deal even if the Heat could have gotten to that many picks (of which I’m entirely skeptical). The Blazers will be able to make up the pick difference via Jrue, plus doing this “Did right by Dame” (something I know was of upmost concern by worried Heat fans) by sending him to a team with a better shot to win than Miami, and it allowed them to fill a roster need instead of being saddled with a player on a big long term contract at a position they’re overloaded with.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

As long as those FRPs suck (they would have) and as long as those swaps were when Miami was good (they would be)...those picks are garbage. Blazers were smart and went with the long game UFRP and swaps with a likely bad team when they themselves will be on the rise...plus potential in Jrue trade.

Plus, "reports" can say whatever they want...we know that Miami is working over time to try and save face in this PR disaster.

Face it Miami...your team is smoldering out. You have some long years ahead of you, and Riley made it so. You can try and spin this however you want, but FRPs in the 20s aren't as valuable as UFRPs.

2 of those frp's would have come from other teams
only 1 of the 3 frp's would be from Miami


Apparently after the first talks, Cronin refused to call the Heat at all, not even to try and make a bidding war.

Perhaps Jody Allen told Cronin not to deal with Miami. Something strange went on

[DusterBuster]

As long as those FRPs suck (they would have) and as long as those swaps were when Miami was good (they would be)...those picks are garbage. Blazers were smart and went with the long game UFRP and swaps with a likely bad team when they themselves will be on the rise...plus potential in Jrue trade.

Plus, "reports" can say whatever they want...we know that Miami is working over time to try and save face in this PR disaster.

Face it Miami...your team is smoldering out. You have some long years ahead of you, and Riley made it so. You can try and spin this however you want, but FRPs in the 20s aren't as valuable as UFRPs.

2 of those frp's would have come from other teams
only 1 of the 3 frp's would be from Miami

Why the **** are you still here? Go home, bars closed.

[zzaj]

As long as those FRPs suck (they would have) and as long as those swaps were when Miami was good (they would be)...those picks are garbage. Blazers were smart and went with the long game UFRP and swaps with a likely bad team when they themselves will be on the rise...plus potential in Jrue trade.

Plus, "reports" can say whatever they want...we know that Miami is working over time to try and save face in this PR disaster.

Face it Miami...your team is smoldering out. You have some long years ahead of you, and Riley made it so. You can try and spin this however you want, but FRPs in the 20s aren't as valuable as UFRPs.

2 of those frp's would have come from other teams
only 1 of the 3 frp's would be from Miami

Wrong.

All of those FRPs would have come from Shams.
There is zero reason to believe any of this anyway. His intel is toilet paper in this whole saga.

We don't need Miami fans trolling this board telling us what a "bad" job the GM of our team did by spreading garbage. Go away please.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

As long as those FRPs suck (they would have) and as long as those swaps were when Miami was good (they would be)...those picks are garbage. Blazers were smart and went with the long game UFRP and swaps with a likely bad team when they themselves will be on the rise...plus potential in Jrue trade.

Plus, "reports" can say whatever they want...we know that Miami is working over time to try and save face in this PR disaster.

Face it Miami...your team is smoldering out. You have some long years ahead of you, and Riley made it so. You can try and spin this however you want, but FRPs in the 20s aren't as valuable as UFRPs.

2 of those frp's would have come from other teams
only 1 of the 3 frp's would be from Miami

Wrong.

All of those FRPs would have come from Shams.
There is zero reason to believe any of this anyway. His intel is toilet paper in this whole saga.

We don't need Miami fans trolling this board telling us what a "bad" job the GM of our team did by spreading garbage. Go away please.

3 first round picks have been reported by everyone since the beginning of this, don't hate on Shams.

here is Sports Illustrated, reported by Aaron Fentress of The Oregonian.

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-reportedly-have-sent-trade-offer-to-portland-trailblazers-in-deal-centered-around-tyler-herro-and-multiple-first-round-picks


“I’m told that right now Miami has three firsts, [Tyler] Herro, filler and maybe a young player already like willing to go with that," Fentress said on the Blazer Focused podcast.

That was back in July. Tyler Herro being sent somewhere, and POR receiving -3- frp's, a young player (Nikola Jovic).... and reports are willing to send Caleb Martin to PHX to facilitate Ayton to POR too.

Seems consistent.

[zzaj]

Also...

I like the return the Blazers got. Part of that return is pissing off Skeletor and you fans. Even if those returns were true (they aren't) and even if they were better (they aren't), I'm happy with Cronin's choice. I'm happy and Lillard is happy. Who cares what you or your disintegrating team think or feel.

[zzaj]

2 of those frp's would have come from other teams
only 1 of the 3 frp's would be from Miami

Wrong.

All of those FRPs would have come from Shams.
There is zero reason to believe any of this anyway. His intel is toilet paper in this whole saga.

We don't need Miami fans trolling this board telling us what a "bad" job the GM of our team did by spreading garbage. Go away please.

3 first round picks have been reported by everyone since the beginning of this, don't hate on Shams.

here is Sports Illustrated, reported by Aaron Fentress of The Oregonian.

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-reportedly-have-sent-trade-offer-to-portland-trailblazers-in-deal-centered-around-tyler-herro-and-multiple-first-round-picks


“I’m told that right now Miami has three firsts, [Tyler] Herro, filler and maybe a young player already like willing to go with that," Fentress said on the Blazer Focused podcast.

That was back in July. Tyler Herro being sent somewhere, and POR receiving -3- frp's, a young player (Nikola Jovic).... and reports are willing to send Caleb Martin to PHX to facilitate Ayton to POR too.

Seems consistent.

OMG. Do we have to get into Fentress again? I may as well be a beat writer if you're going to put any value in what he reports. My wife has better intel on the Blazers than Fentress...

[zzaj]

2 of those frp's would have come from other teams
only 1 of the 3 frp's would be from Miami

Wrong.

All of those FRPs would have come from Shams.
There is zero reason to believe any of this anyway. His intel is toilet paper in this whole saga.

We don't need Miami fans trolling this board telling us what a "bad" job the GM of our team did by spreading garbage. Go away please.

3 first round picks have been reported by everyone since the beginning of this, don't hate on Shams.

here is Sports Illustrated, reported by Aaron Fentress of The Oregonian.

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-reportedly-have-sent-trade-offer-to-portland-trailblazers-in-deal-centered-around-tyler-herro-and-multiple-first-round-picks


“I’m told that right now Miami has three firsts, [Tyler] Herro, filler and maybe a young player already like willing to go with that," Fentress said on the Blazer Focused podcast.

That was back in July. Tyler Herro being sent somewhere, and POR receiving -3- frp's, a young player (Nikola Jovic).... and reports are willing to send Caleb Martin to PHX to facilitate Ayton to POR too.

Seems consistent.

I'm fully happy knowing the last gasp of Riley's legacy will be that his hubris didn't do enough to persuade Cronin to get Miami another championship. And I'm happy knowing Miami fans like you will be miserable for the foreseeable future.

Enjoy Lowry.

[Brandon-Clyde]

2 of those frp's would have come from other teams
only 1 of the 3 frp's would be from Miami

Wrong.

All of those FRPs would have come from Shams.
There is zero reason to believe any of this anyway. His intel is toilet paper in this whole saga.

We don't need Miami fans trolling this board telling us what a "bad" job the GM of our team did by spreading garbage. Go away please.

3 first round picks have been reported by everyone since the beginning of this, don't hate on Shams.

here is Sports Illustrated, reported by Aaron Fentress of The Oregonian.

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-reportedly-have-sent-trade-offer-to-portland-trailblazers-in-deal-centered-around-tyler-herro-and-multiple-first-round-picks


“I’m told that right now Miami has three firsts, [Tyler] Herro, filler and maybe a young player already like willing to go with that," Fentress said on the Blazer Focused podcast.

That was back in July. Tyler Herro being sent somewhere, and POR receiving -3- frp's, a young player (Nikola Jovic).... and reports are willing to send Caleb Martin to PHX to facilitate Ayton to POR too.

Seems consistent.

Except at no point in time did Miami have 3 available firsts to trade. Oh yes there were rumors of teams interested in Herro but never anything more than rumors of a general nature. There was never a rumor that stated that a team was on the verge of giving Miami that third first and Portland rejected it. What we heard most was "Miami ain't going to bid against itself ." Well Portland got tired of waiting and found a different team to trade with. Miami fafo.