Dame traded to the Bucks!

[zzaj]

As long as those FRPs suck (they would have) and as long as those swaps were when Miami was good (they would be)...those picks are garbage. Blazers were smart and went with the long game UFRP and swaps with a likely bad team when they themselves will be on the rise...plus potential in Jrue trade.

Plus, "reports" can say whatever they want...we know that Miami is working over time to try and save face in this PR disaster.

Face it Miami...your team is smoldering out. You have some long years ahead of you, and Riley made it so. You can try and spin this however you want, but FRPs in the 20s aren't as valuable as UFRPs.

2 of those frp's would have come from other teams
only 1 of the 3 frp's would be from Miami


Apparently after the first talks, Cronin refused to call the Heat at all, not even to try and make a bidding war.

Perhaps Jody Allen told Cronin not to deal with Miami. Something strange went on

Yeah, exactly what the Blazers need...more picks from other teams in the 20s. Explain to me how Miami was going to conjure up even a single unprotected FRP. UFRP will always be better than PFRP.

Your team is smoldering out. And us Blazer fans are happy to see it. Cronin got a great return on a start that wanted to leave. Lillard is excited to be on his new team and they will be better than Miami for the foreseeable future.

This is all great news to Blazer fans.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Wrong.

All of those FRPs would have come from Shams.
There is zero reason to believe any of this anyway. His intel is toilet paper in this whole saga.

We don't need Miami fans trolling this board telling us what a "bad" job the GM of our team did by spreading garbage. Go away please.

3 first round picks have been reported by everyone since the beginning of this, don't hate on Shams.

here is Sports Illustrated, reported by Aaron Fentress of The Oregonian.

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-reportedly-have-sent-trade-offer-to-portland-trailblazers-in-deal-centered-around-tyler-herro-and-multiple-first-round-picks


“I’m told that right now Miami has three firsts, [Tyler] Herro, filler and maybe a young player already like willing to go with that," Fentress said on the Blazer Focused podcast.

That was back in July. Tyler Herro being sent somewhere, and POR receiving -3- frp's, a young player (Nikola Jovic).... and reports are willing to send Caleb Martin to PHX to facilitate Ayton to POR too.

Seems consistent.

Except at no point in time did Miami have 3 available firsts to trade. Oh yes there were rumors of teams interested in Herro but never anything more than rumors of a general nature. There was never a rumor that stated that a team was on the verge of giving Miami that third first and Portland rejected it. What we heard most was "Miami ain't going to bid against itself ." Well Portland got tired of waiting and found a different team to trade with. Miami fafo.

Yes, we had a deal in place to unlock a first with OKC. Then another FRP from another team for moving Tyler Herro. And the last pick would come from Miami itself.

Miami had 3 frp's in that scenario

[Capn'O]

What a saga this was. I feel kind of happy that Dame ended up in Milwaukee — he’ll get a real shot to contend for a title there, and I hope he gets one.

The return is… not great at first glance. It hinges on the potential for Ayton to put it together consistently and what the Blazers can get in return for Jrue. Part of that may be comparing this deal to recent deals for guys like Gobert and Mitchell, but the reality of the new CBA and the one-team request certainly had an impact. I think Portland has a few years in the wilderness ahead. That might be good if they can nail some draft picks and Scoot and/or Sharpe break out.

There is some bittersweet irony in Portland trading for a player within 2 years of being an All-Star for the first time since they traded for Dame, and that it was not only a PG, but a PG who stifled Dame and the Blazers in 2018 in a series that should have led to Portland making drastic changes to their roster.

Time to get excited for the Scoot era! I’m all aboard.

He was an all star last season.

I agree that Jrue/Dame would've been a great backcourt.

Yes, I know Jrue was (rightfully!) an All-Star last season. Earlier this year, I looked into transactions involving All-Stars and players within 2 years of an All-Star berth. Portland hadn’t landed an All-Star calibre player by this metric since they traded Gerald Wallace for the pick that became Lillard. That they now have gotten one who was actually an All-Star last year, but only in return for Dame (and at the same position) kind of hurts.

That... is sad. Nurkic looked like he might have been that second player for a minute. Injuries suck.

[BlazersBroncos]

3 first round picks have been reported by everyone since the beginning of this, don't hate on Shams.

here is Sports Illustrated, reported by Aaron Fentress of The Oregonian.

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-reportedly-have-sent-trade-offer-to-portland-trailblazers-in-deal-centered-around-tyler-herro-and-multiple-first-round-picks


“I’m told that right now Miami has three firsts, [Tyler] Herro, filler and maybe a young player already like willing to go with that," Fentress said on the Blazer Focused podcast.

That was back in July. Tyler Herro being sent somewhere, and POR receiving -3- frp's, a young player (Nikola Jovic).... and reports are willing to send Caleb Martin to PHX to facilitate Ayton to POR too.

Seems consistent.

Except at no point in time did Miami have 3 available firsts to trade. Oh yes there were rumors of teams interested in Herro but never anything more than rumors of a general nature. There was never a rumor that stated that a team was on the verge of giving Miami that third first and Portland rejected it. What we heard most was "Miami ain't going to bid against itself ." Well Portland got tired of waiting and found a different team to trade with. Miami fafo.

Yes, we had a deal in place to unlock a first with OKC. Then another FRP from another team for moving Tyler Herro. And the last pick would come from Miami itself.

Miami had 3 frp's in that scenario

Sure you did.

[Norm2953]

Quite possibly Dame would have been traded to the Heat if Dame/agent had literally not tried
to put their thumbs on the scale to force to the Heat

I don't blame the Heat for they felt with Dame's help, there would be no market for Dame and they
could get him for a package favorable for the Heat. In any event, Dame is now in a situation where
he and Giannis will be expected to compete for a title.

Portland can move forward with their rebuild but imagine Portland with Scoot, Sharpe and Simons in
their BC, adding a Buzelis from the 2024 draft.

[Brandon-Clyde]

3 first round picks have been reported by everyone since the beginning of this, don't hate on Shams.

here is Sports Illustrated, reported by Aaron Fentress of The Oregonian.

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-reportedly-have-sent-trade-offer-to-portland-trailblazers-in-deal-centered-around-tyler-herro-and-multiple-first-round-picks


“I’m told that right now Miami has three firsts, [Tyler] Herro, filler and maybe a young player already like willing to go with that," Fentress said on the Blazer Focused podcast.

That was back in July. Tyler Herro being sent somewhere, and POR receiving -3- frp's, a young player (Nikola Jovic).... and reports are willing to send Caleb Martin to PHX to facilitate Ayton to POR too.

Seems consistent.

Except at no point in time did Miami have 3 available firsts to trade. Oh yes there were rumors of teams interested in Herro but never anything more than rumors of a general nature. There was never a rumor that stated that a team was on the verge of giving Miami that third first and Portland rejected it. What we heard most was "Miami ain't going to bid against itself ." Well Portland got tired of waiting and found a different team to trade with. Miami fafo.

Yes, we had a deal in place to unlock a first with OKC. Then another FRP from another team for moving Tyler Herro. And the last pick would come from Miami itself.

Miami had 3 frp's in that scenario

Except nobody has reported that. Lots of reports that Miami "refuses to bid against themselves" and Portland "won't get a better offer" and of course the ever popular" show us another team bidding for Dame." Miami management sc***ed the pooch and now have to worry about Milwaukee having two all NBA players.

[Vampirate]

Tyler Herro is really a slightly taller CJ

The Blazers already have CJ 2.0 in Simons, that's pretty much the issue here. They just don't want to run into the same thing that they had with Dame and CJ and I don't blame them.

[zzaj]

So the best case scenario for the Blazers...

Lilard got traded for

1 top 5 pick in 2028
1 top 5 pick in 2029
1 top 5 pick in 2030
2 FRPs or a good young player +1 FRP (Holiday)

Of course those Top 5s aren't guaranteed to be that high, but if I was a gambling man I'd bet on them being close to that. And of course every Miami fan is going to come in here saying Holiday isn't worth even a single second rounder ...

Unless you were looking for the Blazers to be mediocre right now, or it turns out that the Bucks are great in 2028-30, I don't really see how that's not a pretty damn good haul for an asking out player that demanded a trade to a single team.

And of course that best case absolutely creams any of the made up packages that Miami had on the table. Plus we get the extra spice of kicking dirt in skeletor's eyes, and Lillard being stoked.

[Wizenheimer]

Heat fan here, I am really glad this thing is over with, for real. Both teams can finally move on and work on whats on the roster for their future. I am also happy that Dame at least was sent to a situation to win a championship which was his ultimate desire.

I know he had his heart set on coming to Miami, and the stuff coming out now doesn't make the deal Portland took better than what Miami had waiting which is a shame. Shams is reporting all sort of stuff this morning, like Lillards agent found out that the deal for Toronto was close and that's when he pivoted and told Milwaukee and Brooklyn that Dame would be willing to go to their team. Dame wanted zero to do with the Toronto raptors. Shams also reported that Miami had an offer waiting, that also included bringing Phoenix in to get you guys Ayton additionally to the Heat assets. However it seems it was out of Cronins hands, it was above him that was the decision not to deal with Miami. Also the initial conversation with Miami from the get go was Lillard for Bam or Jimmy only from Portland's side, they did not want to hear about anything else.

I will just leave this here, so its sounding more like there was some bad blood created mostly by Lillards Agent here not necessarily Miami's front office.

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anybody who believes anything Shams says, Blazer related, is a damn fool

[Whole Truth]

So the best case scenario for the Blazers...

Lilard got traded for

1 top 5 pick in 2028
1 top 5 pick in 2029
1 top 5 pick in 2030
2 FRPs or a good young player +1 FRP (Holiday)

Of course those Top 5s aren't guaranteed to be that high, but if I was a gambling man I'd bet on them being close to that. And of course every Miami fan is going to come in here saying Holiday isn't worth even a single second rounder ...

Unless you were looking for the Blazers to be mediocre right now, or it turns out that the Bucks are great in 2028-30, I don't really see how that's not a pretty damn good haul for an asking out player that demanded a trade to a single team.

And of course that best case absolutely creams any of the made up packages that Miami had on the table. Plus we get the extra spice of kicking dirt in skeletor's eyes, and Lillard being stoked.

too often people get taken with quantity over quality. These Bucks picks far & away project out better than the Heat's.

- Buck's went all in on ageing players with declining value to make the most of their franchise player, At the end of this neither Middleton nor Dame can be successfully flipped for anything game changing & even Giannis who relies on his athleticism still holds some at that point, if he's even still with the Bucks, won't help a franchise thar holds no other avenue to improve.

- NO's own all their picks so the snow ball effect here of having the swaps & controlling 3 consecutive yrs of their draft.would close the draft & asset to trade route for them to improve

- That leaves the cap space freed for potential free agents... Can Bucks build a successful team through free agency in that projected state of no pick & no assets while also not having the draw of south beach/location.

- As for the Heat offered picks in the same time frame. Riley had designs on Dame getting Giannis to south beach via free agency & assuredly with location he would be in a strong position to draw helpwith big contracts coming off the books,

Projection of Bucks picks swaps or not >>>>> than the Heats projected picks

Will be nice too when the Young Blazzers will be entering their extensions to have quality young cheap talent coming in via the draft for a healthy cap situation.

People might gloss over your post as hoping for the best but i think it's A heathy projection of the Bucks situation & they did it to rightfully make the most of Giannis. Where the other teams involved were hoping for cheap offers to help get Dame to pry Giannis from them,

Portland nailed this trade in many unseen aspects,

[BlazersBroncos]

Will be nice too wgen the Young Blazzers will be entering their extensions to have quality young cheap talent coming in via the draft for a healthy cap situation.

This is a great observation. Basically, even if Scoot and Sharpe are playing well this year and Ayton resurges a bit we are likely picking Top-10 - but with development by the time Scoot and SS are looking at extensions we may not be in the mix for blue chippers anymore w/ our own picks.

Having MIL FRPs after the Giannis era as a talent supplement to a team that (If all goes well) will be hitting its stride w/ a 25 year old Scoot, 26 year old Sharpe and 30 year old Ayton will be incredible - as by that time (Again, if all goes well developmentally) we are likely not picking too high anymore.

[Whole Truth]

Heat fans, Dames contract is a pill to swallow at the tail end,,, the first 2yrs is what is expected to contend,

Portland lands Jrue for a diminished value Dame not just because Dame is an offensive upgrade but because he's the only viable salary Bucks can use to match., Same age & still one of the best 2 way guards in the game even at an advanced age that helped the Bucks get over the hump for a chip & is under contract...you guessed it... for the next 2yrs with a PO 2nd yr voiding the financial risk attached to Dames already diminished value.

I expect good value returned if flipped, just simply by having a wider market & less financial risk,,

Some will even debate the worth of his defense lost to the offensive upgrade of Dame.

Like OG an elite role player any team in need of a 2 way guard can plug & play

[Whole Truth]

Will be nice too wgen the Young Blazzers will be entering their extensions to have quality young cheap talent coming in via the draft for a healthy cap situation.

This is a great observation. Basically, even if Scoot and Sharpe are playing well this year and Ayton resurges a bit we are likely picking Top-10 - but with development by the time Scoot and SS are looking at extensions we may not be in the mix for blue chippers anymore w/ our own picks.

Having MIL FRPs after the Giannis era as a talent supplement to a team that (If all goes well) will be hitting its stride w/ a 25 year old Scoot, 26 year old Sharpe and 30 year old Ayton will be incredible - as by that time (Again, if all goes well developmentally) we are likely not picking too high anymore.

Cheap depth with upside controlling a healthy cap situation raises the potential ceiling & opens avenues in free agency to improve a young core going into extensions.

[Whole Truth]

Memphis paid a mid-late first for Allen. Not sure what Bucks gave up to get him but he was the value of a salary dump for the Suns.

Portland dumped an injury riddled ageing talent for a former #1 pick who was ignored offensively because of fit, which created an eventual rift..

Besides already being a positional upgrade more in line with the young core with potential room to grow, A change in offensive usage alone will recoup some of his lost value.
'
As a NO's fan. I watched him dominate game 3 of our series when Booker was out. They had no choice but to run the offense through him.. Then when Booker returned they went away from that dominant performance which led to his rift with Monte about his usage, eventual disinterest & uninterested play,

Same principal,,, why do you reward a big man for running the floor?

[Whole Truth]

Anyways, I really just stopped by to say congrats. Your GM did right by Dame, did right by his org, fans & got the best available deal considering the circumstances.

[zzaj]

So the best case scenario for the Blazers...

Lilard got traded for

1 top 5 pick in 2028
1 top 5 pick in 2029
1 top 5 pick in 2030
2 FRPs or a good young player +1 FRP (Holiday)

Of course those Top 5s aren't guaranteed to be that high, but if I was a gambling man I'd bet on them being close to that. And of course every Miami fan is going to come in here saying Holiday isn't worth even a single second rounder ...

Unless you were looking for the Blazers to be mediocre right now, or it turns out that the Bucks are great in 2028-30, I don't really see how that's not a pretty damn good haul for an asking out player that demanded a trade to a single team.

And of course that best case absolutely creams any of the made up packages that Miami had on the table. Plus we get the extra spice of kicking dirt in skeletor's eyes, and Lillard being stoked.

too often people get taken with quantity over quality. These Bucks picks far & away project out better than the Heat's.

- Buck's went all in on ageing players with declining value to make the most of their franchise player, At the end of this neither Middleton nor Dame can be successfully flipped for anything game changing & even Giannis who relies on his athleticism still holds some at that point, if he's even still with the Bucks, won't help a franchise thar holds no other avenue to improve.

- NO's own all their picks so the snow ball effect here of having the swaps & controlling 3 consecutive yrs of their draft.would close the draft & asset to trade route for them to improve

- That leaves the cap space freed for potential free agents... Can Bucks build a successful team through free agency in that projected state of no pick & no assets while also not having the draw of south beach/location.

- As for the Heat offered picks in the same time frame. Riley had designs on Dame getting Giannis to south beach via free agency & assuredly with location he would be in a strong position to draw helpwith big contracts coming off the books,

Projection of Bucks picks swaps or not >>>>> than the Heats projected picks

Will be nice too when the Young Blazzers will be entering their extensions to have quality young cheap talent coming in via the draft for a healthy cap situation.

People might gloss over your post as hoping for the best but i think it's A heathy projection of the Bucks situation & they did it to rightfully make the most of Giannis. Where the other teams involved were hoping for cheap offers to help get Dame to pry Giannis from them,

Portland nailed this trade in many unseen aspects,

I’ll take it a step further…

If the Blazers get Top 5 picks in the next 2 years (as they should), the potential is there to add four Top 5 FRPs in 7 years…TO ADD to Scoot and Sharpe in their primes.

Cronin is doing EXACTLY what he should be doing for a non-destination city like PDX—potentially adding top-end talent via draft instead of free agency.

Even if Ayton stays at his current level, the 2030s could be a dynasty for the Blazers.

[Whole Truth]

I’ll take it a step further…

If the Blazers get Top 5 picks in the next 2 years (as they should), the potential is there to add four Top 5 FRPs in 7 years…TO ADD to Scoot and Sharpe in their primes.

Cronin is doing EXACTLY what he should be doing for a non-destination city like PDX—potentially adding top-end talent via draft instead of free agency.

Even if Ayton stays at his current level, the 2030s could be a dynasty for the Blazers.

Nothing is given but the trajectory looks good.

Grant & Simons can also be flipped for value but it's good for young players to have vets & structure to develop properly. It's why the Spurs were so good at developing late picks successfully when they were contenders vs now that they're in a complete rebuild.

[The Sebastian Express]

I for one am grateful for Shams' reporting.

It's let me prepare for the fact that Brandon Miller is a Blazer now, I won a lot of money betting on Scoot being drafted second overall there last minute. I also now understand the great trauma GPII went through with his multiple injections, truly he suffered.

This report today? I buy it. Why would they do any damage control? I know Bam and Jimmy aren't upset Giannis was paired with Dame rather than Dame coming to them. I know Pat Riley definitely isn't a stubborn man who tries to bluff or overvalue assets, it's why the Heat also have Kevin Durant, Donovan Mitchell and Bradley Beal right now.

I bathe myself in the Shams news, a refreshing cleanse from the other propaganda going around the league. Only the purest and most truthful of reports.

[AussieBuck]

Y'all are welcome to join us when the season starts as part-time fans. Great doing business with you and I hope you get a **** haul of picks for Jrue. Can't **** wait for Dame Time.




lol Miami.

[zzaj]

Y'all are welcome to join us when the season starts as part-time fans. Great doing business with you and I hope you get a **** haul of picks for Jrue. Can't **** wait for Dame Time.




lol Miami.

I’ll certainly be rooting for y’all in the POs…as much as I root for any team I don’t really care about, lol!