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[yosemiteben]

I would give up an unwise volume of assets to get Holiday

You plan on moving LaMelo to 2 guard?

it would be like to 2 combo guards, Lamelo plays well off the ball as well. the defense, leadership and secondary ball handler Jrue provides would be perfect

Yeah that's pretty much where I'm at.

[Liver_Pooty]

We don't have the assets to get Holiday.

Edit: We have PJ. Already owe a future first rounder. Mark shouldn't be moved because we finally have a center. They definitely won't want Rozier. He's worth 39 times Hayward and his expiring. Kai is having a meltdown. Bouk has proven nothing on the court and has issues. Cody Martins knee is an issue, still. Miles beat the hell out of his woman. Lol why in the world would Portland even pick up the phone

[Liver_Pooty]

We have Brandon Miller, Lamelo, and Gordons expiring which Portland will have no interest in. We just picked 2nd in the draft so giving up a future unprotected pick for a guard going on 34 years old with ridiculous mileage on him I think would be damn near idiotic. Unless they want kai, bouk, Hayward, and a 28 unprotected. Something like that.

[Liver_Pooty]

Honestly if it wasn't for the luck of the lottery especially with Lamelo we wouldn't really have any legit tradeable assets at all. Jrue Holiday is a stud. Getting him is laughable

[luciano-davidwesley]

I'm super happy to just keep on keeping on if Portland is not interested in that package.

I watched a lot of Jrue when he was a Pelican and while he's a really good player he's definitely not a bonifide stud, especially at his age.

He has his warts offensively and his defence will decline rapidly in the next couple of years.

[yosemiteben]

The pick we traded turns into seconds if not conveyed by 2025. That means we could trade multiple 1sts starting in 2027. Not saying we should for someone like Holiday, but we are not unable to trade 1sts at this point.

[Goodecharlotte]

Oh well same old story, Hornets rumoured to be interested in doing something and nothing happens.
As always I'll believe it when it happens.

Mitch has stabalised us in terms of cap after Cho got us into a mess but it's time for a different gm now, someone who likes to take a risk and look outside the box let's hope the new owners have the same in mind.

[JMAC3]

Jrue is probably overrated at this point tbh.
If you want to talk about players underpeforming in the playoffs look no further.
His shooting splits over last 40 playoff games.
39.6% from field, 30.4% from 3 and 45.3% efg

and was torched by Jimmy Buckets in the final two games for 56 and 42 points

[fatlever]

Jrue is probably overrated at this point tbh.
If you want to talk about players underpeforming in the playoffs look no further.
His shooting splits over last 40 playoff games.
39.6% from field, 30.4% from 3 and 45.3% efg

and was torched by Jimmy Buckets in the final two games for 56 and 42 points

one must ask... why wasn't all world former dpoy giannis guarding butler? legit asking? never made sense to me.

[JMAC3]

Jrue is probably overrated at this point tbh.
If you want to talk about players underpeforming in the playoffs look no further.
His shooting splits over last 40 playoff games.
39.6% from field, 30.4% from 3 and 45.3% efg

and was torched by Jimmy Buckets in the final two games for 56 and 42 points

one must ask... why wasn't all world former dpoy giannis guarding butler? legit asking? never made sense to me.

That is why Jrue gets paid the big bucks right? He is supposed to be best perimeter defender in the league not Giannis.
Also, its been pretty spoke about that Jrue told the rest of the Bucks he wanted to guard him and they all honored it.

I could care less about the defense for a few games, Butler was on one. I am more worried about the offense, scrolling his playoff boxscores he shoots in the 30% from the field in nearly every game. 33 is also when Lowry fell off a cliff offensively, just saying not everyone is LeBron, cp3 and Curry.

[JDR720]

Giannis pretty rarely guards the best player. They use him as a help defender mostly. To keep him out of foul trouble.

[JMAC3]

Jrue is probably overrated at this point tbh.
If you want to talk about players underpeforming in the playoffs look no further.
His shooting splits over last 40 playoff games.
39.6% from field, 30.4% from 3 and 45.3% efg

and was torched by Jimmy Buckets in the final two games for 56 and 42 points

And everyone loves Jrue, great guy.
Plays hard, but if this was Harden putting up those offensive numbers he would be roasted.

Jrue loses in first round as 1 seed to Heat shooting sub 40% and its swept under rug.
Last year in ECF he shot 36.4% from field on 154 attempts vs Celtics in a series they lost in 7.

Jaylen Brown shot 41.8% in ECF on 134 attempts this year and people were dragging him in again a 7 game series.

All I am saying is if Jrue just falls off completely, I won't be surprised.

[JMAC3]

Lastly Jrue in the Finals vs Suns.

36.1% from field on 108 shots, 31.4% from three and 41.2% EFG.

Giannis carried 63% EFG and 35 ppg, 13 boards and 5 assists.

[luciano-davidwesley]

I agree JMAC3 that a team would be silly to give up more than a first for Jrue given his age, contract and offensive struggles in the playoffs.

[JDR720]

I think his offensive struggles are in part due to Giannis, they're poor fits offensively.

But I wouldn't trade for him, he is too old and isn't going to want to stay here when contenders are after him.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jrue-holiday-split-with-and-without-giannis-antetokounmpo-this-year

This season without Giannis he averaged 22/9 on 50/41/80.

With Giannis he averaged 17/7 on 47/37/87 (same number of attempts)

That's an all-star level PG to just a good starting PG.

[JMAC3]

I think his offensive struggles are in part due to Giannis, they're poor fits offensively.

But I wouldn't trade for him, he is too old and isn't going to want to stay here when contenders are after him.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jrue-holiday-split-with-and-without-giannis-antetokounmpo-this-year

This season without Giannis he averaged 22/9 on 50/41/80.

With Giannis he averaged 17/7 on 47/37/87 (same number of attempts)

That's an all-star level PG to just a good starting PG.

He is fine in the regular season when Giannis is getting to dominate vs bad teams or teams with little prep time. When teams start building the wall and taking away some of Bucks easy offense and more falls on him he takes a major step down.

If the argument is he can play a smaller role for a Celtics, Heat or Clippers I get that, but at the same time why am I giving up my future for a guy to play that role? I think a ton of teams will be interested in him at 1 1st, but once you start giving away multiple firsts into the future for a guy that is probably not going to be on the team when those picks convey is where it gets fishy.

Hornets it is a no brainer to not deal for him. Imagine trading a 2026 and 2028 first for him and he is out of the league by 2025 retired. That is disgusting.

[Chapelchilla]

I agree JMAC3 that a team would be silly to give up more than a first for Jrue given his age, contract and offensive struggles in the playoffs.

Agreed, a First, a misfit like Bouk or Jones and Hayward are OK if he agrees to opt in for 24-25.

[Diop]

he's a no brainer at the right cost, i think he's going to be too expensive for a year or 2 rental

we really need a mentor/leader but not if its going to cost 2 firsts or one of the youth we actually like.

[HornetJail]

White/Jrue/Brown/Tatum/Porzingis

Jesus Christ

[SWedd523]

White/Jrue/Brown/Tatum/Porzingis

Jesus Christ

I don't see any way he comes here. He'll be in Boston or Philly or something

Why does it have to be a contending team? What do any of them have that's more valuable than an FRP from us + cap relief from Hayward's expiring. I'd roll the dice on Jrue no question, the perfect player for this roster. Get to work, Mitch!

EDIT: Oh, he's got a player option for 2024-2025. Well, that's really rolling the dice then.

It doesn't have to be, but I bet it will