Where's Jrue Go?

[red_power]

It would be funny as **** if he went to Miami for Herro+filler and 2 picks, talk about getting the max value for Dame it would be like we traded him to both teams.

I will nominate a statue built to Cronin if this is just a taste of his GM ability.

Sounds funny but there is no way Miami would ever agree to take such humiliation.

[Vampirate]

Robert Williams is injury prone line Winslow.

I think the Blazers best bet is to try and get pieces from Toronto, who has a lot of wings but no PG.

Maybe they can trade for OG straightup, or a package like acouple of 1st round picks, Boucher, Grady Dick.

Raptors are not giving up anything for Jrue. They’ll just roll the dice with Schroeder.

From a Raptors fan perspective.

If we got Dame we'd be dark horses at best, and tbh probably a year or 2 of making the ECF at best, not a real contender.

As for Masai, if you looked at our board we have criticized our FO to death. Masai is a double edged sword.

That being said, what we as Raptor fans want is what you guys are doing. We want to trade Siakam so we can actually rebuild around Barnes fully. Jrue doesn't do anything from that angle with his age. We are nowhere close to contending with our current roster, Jrue just puts us more in the middle. We just can't afford to trade picks for a 33+ year old player unless that player is already a top 10 player, and even then it's dicey on what else we are giving up.

As for Jrue, the 76ers are probably a good target because Embiid is likely not very happy atm.

[wco81]

What about GSW for CP3 (waived) a pick and Kuminga?

This deal would make sense. Warriors want to keep up with the Jones', and we get a young player with a lot of upside at a position of need. Like trading Rod Strickland for Rasheed Wallace.

I think a lot of Warriors fans would like to acquire Jrue but his salary situation and the team's overall payroll would make it difficult.

He has an almost $40 million PO after next season.

So the Warriors would have to go all-in on giving him an extension next July for multiple years and for who knows what kind of average annual salary.

Otherwise, it makes no sense for them to give up a FRP, because it would just be a one year rental of Jrue.

But they're in cap hell and Klay is on a big expiring deal this season.

They could have a situation where they might have to trade one or both of them by February trade deadline if they're having a bad season and they can't or don't want to extend either or both of them.


Jrue had a very good season last year but then had a very poor playoffs series vs. Miami which saw the Bucks get upset and eliminated in the first round.

So it's not even a slam dunk to give him a big extension. Obviously he's had big playoffs performances but he's 33, will be 34 when he could be a UFA. For teams with better cap situations, giving him a multi-year extension for big money is a no-brainer.

Not so easy for the Warriors.

[Effigy]

I'm not entirely sure that we are going to move Jrue. And if we do, I don't think it's for these packages of dead salary and draft picks. I think Cronin telegraphed his strategy with the dame trade. He wants known pieces that can contribute, not lottery tickets that won't be cashed in for years and at that point might be used by his successor. We might be keeping Jrue (unless he really raises a fuss) or unless we get blown away by an offer.

[PDXKnight]

I'm not entirely sure that we are going to move Jrue. And if we do, I don't think it's for these packages of dead salary and draft picks. I think Cronin telegraphed his strategy with the dame trade. He wants known pieces that can contribute, not lottery tickets that won't be cashed in for years and at that point might be used by his successor. We might be keeping Jrue (unless he really raises a fuss) or unless we get blown away by an offer.

I think its possible we hang onto jrue for awhile but given that we already started this with Dame being dealt and the fact that this team isn't ready to contend for a few years added to the fact that jrue like Dame is 33 I'd imagine we are looking to flip him. If we wanted to win now desperately we would've made the move to keep dame happy or just told him to pound sand

Getting the market to form fair value for jrue may not be instantaneous though so in that respect maybe it will take a couple months before we move him. Usually it's fairly obvious with certain players they will be moved just like in the case of Hart last year so I'd imagine one way or another we will eventually sooner or later hear a move coming

[greenwing]

Bulls fan here. I come in peace. Not sure our front office would part with Patrick Williams since they are really high on the guy but he’s had difficulty getting touches playing next to Lavine, DeRozan and Vuc. The flashes are certainly there, though. I think he fits your guys’ timeline better than ours. What would you guys think of the following?

Jrue Holiday for Patrick Williams, Dalen Terry, Lonzo Ball’s contract and your future first round pick back (which the Bulls own)? Thoughts?

[BlazersBroncos]

Bulls fan here. I come in peace. Not sure our front office would part with Patrick Williams since they are really high on the guy but he’s had difficulty getting touches playing next to Lavine, DeRozan and Vuc. The flashes are certainly there, though. I think he fits your guys’ timeline better than ours. What would you guys think of the following?

Jrue Holiday for Patrick Williams, Dalen Terry, Lonzo Ball’s contract and your future first round pick back (which the Bulls own)? Thoughts?

I think taking on Ball requires another FRP - the PDX FRP is basically worthless at this point since its perennially LP and we are going to stink for a few years.

Sorta like Dalen as the 3rd guard moving forward as well - if he pans out to even a Delon Wright type utility guy he is an ideal fit as the 1st guard off the bench playing either guard spot. Great compliment to the high usage guys in Scoot and Sharpe.

[m0ng0]

I think taking on Ball requires another FRP - the PDX FRP is basically worthless at this point since its perennially LP and we are going to stink for a few years.

Sorta like Dalen as the 3rd guard moving forward as well - if he pans out to even a Delon Wright type utility guy he is an ideal fit as the 1st guard off the bench playing either guard spot. Great compliment to the high usage guys in Scoot and Sharpe.

Umm we still have Simons in that mix, I highly doubt Dalen would be the first guard off the bench

[BlazersBroncos]

I think taking on Ball requires another FRP - the PDX FRP is basically worthless at this point since its perennially LP and we are going to stink for a few years.

Sorta like Dalen as the 3rd guard moving forward as well - if he pans out to even a Delon Wright type utility guy he is an ideal fit as the 1st guard off the bench playing either guard spot. Great compliment to the high usage guys in Scoot and Sharpe.

Umm we still have Simons in that mix, I highly doubt Dalen would be the first guard off the bench

Long term - hedge that makes moving Simons even easier.

[greenwing]

Bulls fan here. I come in peace. Not sure our front office would part with Patrick Williams since they are really high on the guy but he’s had difficulty getting touches playing next to Lavine, DeRozan and Vuc. The flashes are certainly there, though. I think he fits your guys’ timeline better than ours. What would you guys think of the following?

Jrue Holiday for Patrick Williams, Dalen Terry, Lonzo Ball’s contract and your future first round pick back (which the Bulls own)? Thoughts?

I think taking on Ball requires another FRP - the PDX FRP is basically worthless at this point since its perennially LP and we are going to stink for a few years.

Sorta like Dalen as the 3rd guard moving forward as well - if he pans out to even a Delon Wright type utility guy he is an ideal fit as the 1st guard off the bench playing either guard spot. Great compliment to the high usage guys in Scoot and Sharpe.

I don't think the Bulls would give away a first round pick to rid themselves of Ball's contract since it's insured. Yes, he counts against the cap but the league granted a DPE for this season and likely will for next season. NBA owners will probably be ok with his contract since they won't have to pay for it.

[greenwing]

I think taking on Ball requires another FRP - the PDX FRP is basically worthless at this point since its perennially LP and we are going to stink for a few years.

Sorta like Dalen as the 3rd guard moving forward as well - if he pans out to even a Delon Wright type utility guy he is an ideal fit as the 1st guard off the bench playing either guard spot. Great compliment to the high usage guys in Scoot and Sharpe.

Umm we still have Simons in that mix, I highly doubt Dalen would be the first guard off the bench

Just fyi, Dalen Terry isn't really a guard. He's more of a utility guy that can play 2, 3, or 4 depending on matchup and is a more of a natural small forward than shooting guard IMO. He's the size of a small foward that can play the 4 when your roster goes small and is quick enough to play the 2. If he was more confident in taking the 3, he would project as a nice 3 & D type of guy off the bench or a glue guy in your starting unit.

[BlazersBroncos]

I think taking on Ball requires another FRP - the PDX FRP is basically worthless at this point since its perennially LP and we are going to stink for a few years.

Sorta like Dalen as the 3rd guard moving forward as well - if he pans out to even a Delon Wright type utility guy he is an ideal fit as the 1st guard off the bench playing either guard spot. Great compliment to the high usage guys in Scoot and Sharpe.

Umm we still have Simons in that mix, I highly doubt Dalen would be the first guard off the bench

Just fyi, Dalen Terry isn't really a guard. He's more of a utility guy that can play 2, 3, or 4 depending on matchup and is a more of a natural small forward than shooting guard IMO. He's the size of a small foward that can play the 4 when your roster goes small and is quick enough to play the 2. If he was more confident in taking the 3, he would project as a nice 3 & D type of guy off the bench or a glue guy in your starting unit.

Welp, my bad. I thought he was compared to Delon coming out, a big combo 3/D.

My favorite scenario is still GSW and getting Kuminga as a long-term forward to grow w/ Scoot and Sharpe. Maybe even expand the deal to squeeze some value from CP3 -

PDX OUT - Jrue Holiday
PDX IN - LAC Filler (Morris + RoCo or Batum), Jonathan Kuminga, Brandon Podziemski, Amir Coffey, 2026 GSW UNP FRP, 2027 GSW UNP Swap, 2024 TOR SRP via LAC, 2029 LAC SRP

GSW OUT - Chris Paul, Jonathan Kuminga, Brandon Podziemski, 2026 GSW UNP FRP, 2027 GSW UNP Swap
GSW IN - Jrue Holiday

LAC OUT - LAC Filler (Morris + RoCo or Batum), Amir Coffey, 2024 TOR SRP via LAC, 2029 LAC SRP
LAC IN - Chris Paul

GSW becomes the championship favorite.
LAC upgrades the PG spot cheaply - deciding Harden isnt worth the distraction and not wanting to give up the picks for Jrue.
PDX cashes Holiday for a core piece (Minga) and picks.

G - Scoot Henderson / Anfernee Simons
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Anfernee Simons / Brandon Podziemski
F - Jonathan Kuminga / Matisse Thybulle / Rayan Rupert
F - Jerami Grant / Kris Murray / Amir Coffey / Toumani Camara
C - DeAndre Ayton / Jabari Walker JR / Moses Brown

Basically - we turn Dame (And Nurkic / Kittle / Keon) into -

+ 2026 GSW FRP UNP
+ 2027 GSW FRP Swap UNP
+ 2028 MIL FRP Swap UNP
+ 2029 MIL FRP UNP
+ 2030 MIL FRP Swap UNP
+ 2024 TOR SRP
+ 2029 LAC SRP

+ Jonathan Kuminga
+ DeAndre Ayton
+ Brandon Podziemski
+ Toumani Camara
+ Amir Coffey
- Cut Fillers (Morris + RoCo or Batum)

That would put this deal at an A+ in my eyes.

[Norm2953]

I think Portland would like a solid front court prospect in return for Jrue.

Boston has to be the favorite along with the Clippers but I'd wonder if the Pelicans would enter
the picture if Jrue asked Cronin to send him back to where he was prior to 2020.

[babyjax13]

We just picked up Camara maybe give him a shot

He looked interesting at the combine scrimmages. Power forward who can't really shoot but is very heady and a good passer. Honestly a bit like Vanderbilt offensively.

[Fifii]

If Chris Paul agree start form the bench maybe trade Jrue for him.

Chris Paul would be mentor for Scoot and this is good value for this trade

[Butter]

If Chris Paul agree start form the bench maybe trade Jrue for him.

Chris Paul would be mentor for Scoot and this is good value for this trade

I'd like to see picks and upgrade at PF or SF, or expiring contracts

[Pattycakes]

I'm not entirely sure that we are going to move Jrue. And if we do, I don't think it's for these packages of dead salary and draft picks. I think Cronin telegraphed his strategy with the dame trade. He wants known pieces that can contribute, not lottery tickets that won't be cashed in for years and at that point might be used by his successor. We might be keeping Jrue (unless he really raises a fuss) or unless we get blown away by an offer.

Literally zero reason to keep Jrue and not flip him now while he’s looking like Dame-lite or maybe even similar in perceived trade value. The mentor scoot thing.. meh I don’t buy it or think it’s necessary for scoot to be a star

[Goldbum]

Umm we still have Simons in that mix, I highly doubt Dalen would be the first guard off the bench

Just fyi, Dalen Terry isn't really a guard. He's more of a utility guy that can play 2, 3, or 4 depending on matchup and is a more of a natural small forward than shooting guard IMO. He's the size of a small foward that can play the 4 when your roster goes small and is quick enough to play the 2. If he was more confident in taking the 3, he would project as a nice 3 & D type of guy off the bench or a glue guy in your starting unit.

Welp, my bad. I thought he was compared to Delon coming out, a big combo 3/D.

My favorite scenario is still GSW and getting Kuminga as a long-term forward to grow w/ Scoot and Sharpe. Maybe even expand the deal to squeeze some value from CP3 -

PDX OUT - Jrue Holiday
PDX IN - LAC Filler (Morris + RoCo or Batum), Jonathan Kuminga, Brandon Podziemski, Amir Coffey, 2026 GSW UNP FRP, 2027 GSW UNP Swap, 2024 TOR SRP via LAC, 2029 LAC SRP

GSW OUT - Chris Paul, Jonathan Kuminga, Brandon Podziemski, 2026 GSW UNP FRP, 2027 GSW UNP Swap
GSW IN - Jrue Holiday

LAC OUT - LAC Filler (Morris + RoCo or Batum), Amir Coffey, 2024 TOR SRP via LAC, 2029 LAC SRP
LAC IN - Chris Paul

GSW becomes the championship favorite.
LAC upgrades the PG spot cheaply - deciding Harden isnt worth the distraction and not wanting to give up the picks for Jrue.
PDX cashes Holiday for a core piece (Minga) and picks.

G - Scoot Henderson / Anfernee Simons
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Anfernee Simons / Brandon Podziemski
F - Jonathan Kuminga / Matisse Thybulle / Rayan Rupert
F - Jerami Grant / Kris Murray / Amir Coffey / Toumani Camara
C - DeAndre Ayton / Jabari Walker JR / Moses Brown

Basically - we turn Dame (And Nurkic / Kittle / Keon) into -

+ 2026 GSW FRP UNP
+ 2027 GSW FRP Swap UNP
+ 2028 MIL FRP Swap UNP
+ 2029 MIL FRP UNP
+ 2030 MIL FRP Swap UNP
+ 2024 TOR SRP
+ 2029 LAC SRP

+ Jonathan Kuminga
+ DeAndre Ayton
+ Brandon Podziemski
+ Toumani Camara
+ Amir Coffey
- Cut Fillers (Morris + RoCo or Batum)

That would put this deal at an A+ in my eyes.

Of course I would be over the moon ecstatic with this deal...but it's too good for Portland. I'm thinking...

Jrue
4
CP3, Kuminga, Moody and a first.

THEN
CP3
4
Lowry + Jovic + 2 second round picks

So that's Dame+Nurkic+Nas+Keon
4
Ayton+Camara+Kuminga+Moody+Jovic+Lowry
2 firsts+2 seconds+2 swaps
Curious if Moody +Jovic could get us something nice. Maybe an expiring and another pick. Alternatively we can buy out Lowry and see what we can make out of 2 guys with potential who haven't put it together yet. Better yet trade Jovic and Moody for someone you like a little more...

Something like Moody and Jovic for Avidja would make a lot of sense for both teams.
Then our haul becomes
Dame+Nurkic+Keon+Little
4
Lowry+Ayton+Kuminga+Avidja
2 picks+2 swaps+2 seconds
We could buy out Lowry if we want but he a good 1 year vet with ties to Chauncey who's excelled on the biggest stages. He's a fabulous guy to help Scoot/Ant with understanding this silly defense thing.

I like Advija in the lineups where Ant is the PG.
Example lineup:
Ant
Sharpe
Kuminga/Murray or Matisse
Avidja
Reath or Brown.

That's one heck of a fun lineup when Scoot's on the bench. Avidja's plus defense and playmaking is the glue that hold this together. I don't like not having a better pick and roll partner in with Ant but Kuminga could be that guy. Reath sets nice screens and can pick and pop or be a vertical lob threat.
Anyway turning Jrue into Kuminga and Avidja + 1pick and 2 seconds seems like a way to push the rebuild forward about a year. Heck Avidja vs Kuminga could be interesting camp battle, but I prefer having Avidja on the floor when Ant is the PG.I think that makes his life easier while having his breakout.

[m0ng0]

If Chris Paul agree start form the bench maybe trade Jrue for him.

Chris Paul would be mentor for Scoot and this is good value for this trade

I am pretty sure him and Ayton don't get along, don't need to go down that road again.

[BlazersBroncos]

Of course I would be over the moon ecstatic with this deal...but it's too good for Portland. I'm thinking...

Jrue
4
CP3, Kuminga, Moody and a first.

I think GSW would actually rather keep Podz and add a swap than send Moody. Moses got some playoff run and has a much higher ceiling than Podz IMO.

Also think there isnt a chance MIA gives up Jovic to turn Lowry to CP3 - they are super high on him. Still not convinced they even put him in the Dame deal.