2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 3 - Post Free Agency Discussion

[Fifii]

I hope that Jones isn’t dumb. Trade Grayson for TJ will be mistake.

Now we don’t have too much players available to trade so the best choice is waiting to winter then our FA will be available to trade

One way to get TJ is trade Little and Jordan but it could be doesn’t enough for Indiana

[BobbieL]

The easiest trade is of course Grayson Allen for TJ since similar salaries

Otherwise - just do not see a fit unless they are moving Nasir Little and say Keon Johnson and I think that ship sailed as cannot combine two players just traded.

I don't see TJ as a fit

Yeah, I imagine if we did anything it’d be Allen for TJ.

To be 100% honest, I like Allen more. His shooting is ridiculous and he just started 70 games for a top record East team.

McConnell seems fine and maybe we just want someone as a point of attack defender. I get that Allen maybe seems redundant with Gordon already on the team, but you can never have too much shooting. Allen can play with the starters, the bench, he can close the game, he can pretty much fit in any situation.

But maybe only having one real point guard on the roster is dangerous. And we don’t even know much about Goodwin I guess.

I'd lose it if we traded Allen for TJ.

Definitely agree that you cannot have too much offense. With getting Grayson Allen I'm not even entirely sure who is starting at SF, Allen might be starting alongside Booker and Beal just to be able to spread the floor a couple more feet. Additionally, Allen can bring the ball up the court. I got a feeling he can be our modern day Raja Bell. Oh and Grayson Allen shot over 90% from the FT line.

On another note, does anyone realize that Raja Bell shot over 44% from 3 in his first season with the Suns? He continued to shoot over 42% from 3 the remaining time with the Suns, but it just seems so high.

I get the need for a PG but I think with Book, Beal - they are fine
I kind of like the idea of Grayson as a shooter

Now if the trade didn't include Little or Allen - I have no idea how a deal works - -Ish + Goodwin aren't going to cut it for TJ unless it is a salary dump

If the deal isn't finalized yet - maybe they work TJ into it

[BobbieL]

I hope that Jones isn’t dumb. Trade Grayson for TJ will be mistake.

Now we don’t have too much players available to trade so the best choice is waiting to winter then our FA will be available to trade

One way to get TJ is trade Little and Jordan but it could be doesn’t enough for Indiana

Little might entice Indy more than TJ as he is younger

but I think the Suns are pretty high on Little plus he is on a good contract

My guess, nothing gets done until the deadline - if anything

I do like the idea of Grayson if he can shoot over 40%

[Qwigglez]

Yeah I do think a good counter to my D question is that the elite guards cook everyone anyway.

My guess on O is Booker will be the primary PG like 70% then Beal and KD will get some work running the O. I'm curious how much they stagger Booker and Beal. I think their are arguments each way with that. On one hand it would be nice to always have one of them on the floor but the flip side is when they play together they will be really hard to guard so maybe you don't stagger so much.

I expect the first half of the year to be a lot of experimenting with lineups. I would get too hung up on who starts game 1 because I think it's going to be fluid.

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I'm hoping Booker steps it up this season. I know he was absolutely lethal in the playoffs, and it would be difficult to replicate that over the duration of an entire season, especially because he was playing close to 42 minutes a game, but I don't see how he can't put up similar %'s with this new cast of players. I think if Booker wants to establish himself as a superstar player, possibly a hall-of-famer, he needs to have himself an MVP-like season. He needs to be more consistent at the FT line also. It's been 4 seasons since he shot over 90% from the line.

I'm interested to see if any of the younger guys are able to crack the rotation. Little, Bol, and Goodwin are the only players under 25.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Re McConnell vs Allen: Isn't anyone else worried that we don't have a player on the roster who can push the pace? Goodwin and Okogie might be the only players on the roster who can hound a ball handler, but neither of them can play the other end. McConnell can do both.

I'd make that trade for sure. I'm sure the Pacers will just sit on it and use our interest unless/until they get a bigger deal lined up. They'll use as a salary dump landing spot since Ishbia's broadcast his hatred of money to the league.

[Qwigglez]

Re McConnell vs Allen: Isn't anyone else worried that we don't have a player on the roster who can push the pace? Goodwin and Okogie might be the only players on the roster who can hound a ball handler, but neither of them can play the other end. McConnell can do both.

I'd make that trade for sure. I'm sure the Pacers will just sit on it and use our interest unless/until they get a bigger deal lined up. They'll use as a salary dump landing spot since Ishbia's broadcast his hatred of money to the league.

McConnell is too one-dimensional IMO. He isn't a 3point threat and as we saw in the Nuggets series, teams will simply sag off non-3point shooters and clog the paint. The Nuggets figured they are fine with losing if other players besides KD-Book make shots. For instance Suns would not have won Game 4 if it wasn't for Shamet getting such wide open 3s... and Suns still only won by 5. I don't mind trying to grab McConnell for other players, but I don't think sacrificing Grayson Allen, who could potentially be starting, for a backup guard is the best idea.

[WeekapaugGroove]

This isn't a knock on CP or Ayton or the coaching staff but it will be interesting to see Kevin Youngs O without them. I think they catered to some things CP and Ayton liked to do. They won't have to do that this year and I wonder if we finally see them shoot more 3s.

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[BobbieL]

This isn't a knock on CP or Ayton or the coaching staff but it will be interesting to see Kevin Youngs O without them. I think they catered to some things CP and Ayton liked to do. They won't have to do that this year and I wonder if we finally see them shoot more 3s.

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People have alluded on twitter and reading articles that sometimes the offense, well it looked like it - that they forced the ball to Ayton to get him engaged

And CP3 - heckuva player - but that rolling the ball up to midcourt, dribbling for 10 seconds - slowed down the offense - not a fan

[WeekapaugGroove]

This isn't a knock on CP or Ayton or the coaching staff but it will be interesting to see Kevin Youngs O without them. I think they catered to some things CP and Ayton liked to do. They won't have to do that this year and I wonder if we finally see them shoot more 3s.

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People have alluded on twitter and reading articles that sometimes the offense, well it looked like it - that they forced the ball to Ayton to get him engaged

And CP3 - heckuva player - but that rolling the ball up to midcourt, dribbling for 10 seconds - slowed down the offense - not a fan

Yeah I expect a higher pace. Again that's not a knock on the players and coaches should run stuff their guys like/are good at I just think we'll see Youngs real offensive philosophy come out this season.

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[Mulhollanddrive]

I like our team balance as is:

Beal, Booker, Durant, Bates-Diop, Nurkic
Goodwin, Gordon, Allen, Watanabe, Eubanks
Lee, Okogie, Little, Bol, Metu
Lee, Azubuike

I wouldn't underestimate Saben Lee as an emergency impact player at PG, 3 to 1 assist/turnover ratio, 36% from 3, elite steal %, best attacker to the basket to draw fouls and make layups with all our floor spacing, 6-9 wingspan. On paper he looks better than McConnell.

I think we have legitimately 15-17 guys who can play we're not going to lose games due to depth.

Let's say Durant and Nurkic are out as 2 injury prone guys.

Beal, Booker, Allen, Bates-Diop, Nurkic
Goodwin, Gordon, Watanabe, Little, Eubanks

Still ridiculously strong.

[Jsbath]

What do you think?


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[Mulhollanddrive]

Gambo said the 3 Portland guys (Nurkic, Little, Johnson) are coming to Phoenix today.

No mention of Allen, possibly just away in off-season or ?

Also remember Vogel talked up Payne and Ayton at his 1st conference, wonder if they were already planning.

Who's in the rotation head to head - Little vs Watanabe?

[Dr Manute]

What do you think?


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No, I want to keep Grayson Allen. We are fine with no PG. Grayson is what this team needs.

[Jsbath]

What do you think?


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No, I want to keep Grayson Allen. We are fine with no PG. Grayson is what this team needs.

We need more a pf/c and a pg


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[WeekapaugGroove]

What do you think?


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No, I want to keep Grayson Allen. We are fine with no PG. Grayson is what this team needs.

We need more a pf/c and a pg


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I don't think Lee can be traded until December.

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[Mulhollanddrive]

I'm just also thinking I think Nurkic is way better than Ayton at punishing smaller guys.

Draymond might start against him on opening night and Nurkic can back him down, Ayton wouldn't even try.

[sunsbg]

I like our team balance as is:

Beal, Booker, Durant, Bates-Diop, Nurkic
Goodwin, Gordon, Allen, Watanabe, Eubanks
Lee, Okogie, Little, Bol, Metu
Lee, Azubuike

I wouldn't underestimate Saben Lee as an emergency impact player at PG, 3 to 1 assist/turnover ratio, 36% from 3, elite steal %, best attacker to the basket to draw fouls and make layups with all our floor spacing, 6-9 wingspan. On paper he looks better than McConnell.

I think we have legitimately 15-17 guys who can play we're not going to lose games due to depth.

Let's say Durant and Nurkic are out as 2 injury prone guys.

Beal, Booker, Allen, Bates-Diop, Nurkic
Goodwin, Gordon, Watanabe, Little, Eubanks

Still ridiculously strong.

Depth is fine and was so even before the trade. That said Suns need all bodies healthy for the playoffs.

[KdoubleDees23]

I'm just also thinking I think Nurkic is way better than Ayton at punishing smaller guys.

Draymond might start against him on opening night and Nurkic can back him down, Ayton wouldn't even try.

Dude - have you ever watched Nurkic hahaha you are nuts

[Mulhollanddrive]

Golden State opening night:

Beal - Paul
Booker - Thompson
Durant - Wiggins
Bates-Diop - Curry
Nurkic - Green

Love all those matchups for us.

Goodwin - Joseph
Gordon - Payton
Allen - Kuminga
Watanabe - Saric
Eubanks - Looney

They match up extremely well defensively here though even if we put Beal and Nurkic into the 2nd unit.

[enigmatics]

I'm just also thinking I think Nurkic is way better than Ayton at punishing smaller guys.

Draymond might start against him on opening night and Nurkic can back him down, Ayton wouldn't even try.

You will NEVER see small dude take Nurkic out at the legs and bully him out of the box.