Which duo is better? Giannis/Dame vs Jokic/Murray (Poll)

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Some of you are so sure Jokic is better than Giannis to the tune of being clear and a stamp on the subject. Not only is Jokic not clearly better than Giannis will be this season, Giannis will be even more dangerous than usual playing off the gravity off Dame. And will have even more energy for defense. You're all in for a surprise.

[Infinite Llamas]

Some of you are so sure Jokic is better than Giannis to the tune of being clear and a stamp on the subject. Not only is Jokic not clearly better than Giannis will be this season, Giannis will be even more dangerous than usual playing off the gravity off Dame. And will have even more energy for defense. You're all in for a harsh surprise.

Sure but last I checked he still struggles to shoot free throws, still has a chronic problem with his knee and still hasn’t fine tuned his post game. Maybe he doesn’t try to run through guys as much with Lillard and that will save some wear and tear but Giannis biggest flaws are mental ones and how often do zebras change their stripes after 10 years?

Jokic is very much the better player than Giannis. Jokic is composed and always in control. Giannis game is effective but he just doesn’t see the game like Jokic does.

[Sgt Major]

We need this in the finals

https://youtu.be/PdBxTX_Lk1U?si=Ol2y_zG63MGOhqDg

[Wargreymon]

We need this in the finals

https://youtu.be/PdBxTX_Lk1U?si=Ol2y_zG63MGOhqDg

Hmm I get a black screen on the video and it says "The uploader has not made this video available in your country."

[WhatTheBuck]

Let's hope we get a finals series to sort this out!

I think GIannis is better than Jokic and Dame is better than Murray.

I think we're going to see how much of a problem Giannis is going to be defensively now that he won't need to run through walls every play on offence, night in and night out.

[Sgt Major]

We need this in the finals

https://youtu.be/PdBxTX_Lk1U?si=Ol2y_zG63MGOhqDg

Hmm I get a black screen on the video and it says "The uploader has not made this video available in your country."

Watch on YouTube

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Some of you are so sure Jokic is better than Giannis to the tune of being clear and a stamp on the subject. Not only is Jokic not clearly better than Giannis will be this season, Giannis will be even more dangerous than usual playing off the gravity off Dame. And will have even more energy for defense. You're all in for a harsh surprise.

Sure but last I checked he still struggles to shoot free throws, still has a chronic problem with his knee and still hasn’t fine tuned his post game. Maybe he doesn’t try to run through guys as much with Lillard and that will save some wear and tear but Giannis biggest flaws are mental ones and how often do zebras change their stripes after 10 years?

Jokic is very much the better player than Giannis. Jokic is composed and always in control. Giannis game is effective but he just doesn’t see the game like Jokic does.

Jokic was def better than him last year. But we've seen Giannis when healthy is capable of getting to a level where he matches or exceeds Jokic, both ends of the floor considered. I think Dame will help him reach that level again, and possibly elevate him even higher.

[WhatTheBuck]

Some of you are so sure Jokic is better than Giannis to the tune of being clear and a stamp on the subject. Not only is Jokic not clearly better than Giannis will be this season, Giannis will be even more dangerous than usual playing off the gravity off Dame. And will have even more energy for defense. You're all in for a harsh surprise.

Sure but last I checked he still struggles to shoot free throws, still has a chronic problem with his knee and still hasn’t fine tuned his post game. Maybe he doesn’t try to run through guys as much with Lillard and that will save some wear and tear but Giannis biggest flaws are mental ones and how often do zebras change their stripes after 10 years?

Jokic is very much the better player than Giannis. Jokic is composed and always in control. Giannis game is effective but he just doesn’t see the game like Jokic does.

Didn't seem in control when Embiid dropped a 50 spot on his dome.

Would love to see him go against an offensive threat on the other end without his team to bail him out to see how good he really is.

[TheShow2021]

Context matters. Dame doesn't need picks. DHOs, backdoor cut layups or an offensive GOAT to be double teamed without the ball to put up his numbers. This thread is ridiculously disrespectful to an all time great offensive player in Dame.

Look up the play type stats for yourself on NBA.com. Jamal Murray has been a horrific iso player consistently throughout his career and without Jokic on the court had a -9.61 NETRTG last season. His career best season w/o Jokic is 1.24.

I doubt any "superstar" in the history of the league has had a worse career NETRTG without their sidekick than Murray.

Has any "superstar" never been an Allstar?

When people talk about their great "two man game." You realize Jokic doesn't need Murray. Jokic is insanely efficient in the post, or in any action that don't involve a two man game with Murray. MPJ provides equal offensive value to Jokic compared with Murray with his floor spacing, off ball movement and threat of a quick release.

And as far as playoffs, he's had preferable conditions, and highly unlikely it's sustainable to continue even with the benefit of Jokic. Going off against DeAngelo Russel or Gabe Vincent or the Suns D or the bubble with traffic cones like Donovan Mitchell should hold less weight. Against a good defender he will get alpha'd and you all know it.

[Sgt Major]

But we've seen Giannis when healthy is capable of getting to a level where he matches or exceeds Jokic, both ends of the floor considered. I think Dame will help him reach that level again, and possibly elevate him even higher.

No we didn't. Giannis is nowhere near Jokic on offense. He's not the system, unlike Jokic.

Didn't seem in control when Embiid dropped a 50 spot on his dome.

Would love to see him go against an offensive threat on the other end without his team to bail him out to see how good he really is.

Ah the legendary January regular season game. Yes, that is an all-time benchmark for Jokic, sure.

"His team to bail him out"

[BelgradeNugget]

Rate this duos:

- Giannis/Dame
- KD/Harden
- Duncan/Parker
- Steph/Klay

Rate this players:

- Giannis
- Dame
- KD
- Harden
- Duncan
- Parker
- Steph
- Klay

[Infinite Llamas]

Didn't seem in control when Embiid dropped a 50 spot on his dome.

Would love to see him go against an offensive threat on the other end without his team to bail him out to see how good he really is.

Ah the legendary January regular season game. Yes, that is an all-time benchmark for Jokic, sure.

"His team to bail him out"

Debating if this was a joke post and I just missed the punchline.

When the hell has his team ever “bailed him out” lmao

[Infinite Llamas]

Some of you are so sure Jokic is better than Giannis to the tune of being clear and a stamp on the subject. Not only is Jokic not clearly better than Giannis will be this season, Giannis will be even more dangerous than usual playing off the gravity off Dame. And will have even more energy for defense. You're all in for a harsh surprise.

Sure but last I checked he still struggles to shoot free throws, still has a chronic problem with his knee and still hasn’t fine tuned his post game. Maybe he doesn’t try to run through guys as much with Lillard and that will save some wear and tear but Giannis biggest flaws are mental ones and how often do zebras change their stripes after 10 years?

Jokic is very much the better player than Giannis. Jokic is composed and always in control. Giannis game is effective but he just doesn’t see the game like Jokic does.

Jokic was def better than him last year. But we've seen Giannis when healthy is capable of getting to a level where he matches or exceeds Jokic, both ends of the floor considered. I think Dame will help him reach that level again, and possibly elevate him even higher.

Obviously Giannis is the superior defender but literally the only thing that Giannis does better on offense than Jokic is dunk. Jokic has him beat on post moves, midrange, threes, free throws, passing, screens, footwork. Giannis is not on his level for any of those categories.

[akula1488]

when healthy, Paul George and Kawhi are both great two way players.
Followed by Lebron and AD.

[Sgt Major]

Didn't seem in control when Embiid dropped a 50 spot on his dome.

Would love to see him go against an offensive threat on the other end without his team to bail him out to see how good he really is.

Ah the legendary January regular season game. Yes, that is an all-time benchmark for Jokic, sure.

"His team to bail him out"

Debating if this was a joke post and I just missed the punchline.

When the hell has his team ever “bailed him out” lmao

Yeah but that January game was so big!

[NuggetsWY]

This is a tough one and it's close but they are four very different players.
So comparing them in pairs is even more difficult.
I'd take any of them on the Nuggets without a question.

I have to say that in the modern NBA, I'll be a homer and vote for Jokic/Murray -- mostly because Giannis is not a solid 3 pt shooter and the other three are legit 3 pt shooters.

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Sure but last I checked he still struggles to shoot free throws, still has a chronic problem with his knee and still hasn’t fine tuned his post game. Maybe he doesn’t try to run through guys as much with Lillard and that will save some wear and tear but Giannis biggest flaws are mental ones and how often do zebras change their stripes after 10 years?

Jokic is very much the better player than Giannis. Jokic is composed and always in control. Giannis game is effective but he just doesn’t see the game like Jokic does.

Jokic was def better than him last year. But we've seen Giannis when healthy is capable of getting to a level where he matches or exceeds Jokic, both ends of the floor considered. I think Dame will help him reach that level again, and possibly elevate him even higher.

Obviously Giannis is the superior defender but literally the only thing that Giannis does better on offense than Jokic is dunk. Jokic has him beat on post moves, midrange, threes, free throws, passing, screens, footwork. Giannis is not on his level for any of those categories.

Yes of course. Jokic is better on offense by a very clear degree. No question. But Giannis is not just a "good" offensive player who is also a DPOY. Giannis is a 30ppg/6apg player who is also a DPOY. Who won a finals MVP averaging 35ppg with DPOY defense and closed it out with possibly the best single game finals performance in history.

Both healthy and at their peak, each have very clear advantages on one side of the ball. Giannis will now be playing with a guard who commands the second most gravity after Steph Curry, ho made Draymond Green into an offensive maestro just by being able to shoot from 30 feet.

Anyway, this is all just circle arguing. We'll see when the season starts.

[CobraCommander]

Some of you are so sure Jokic is better than Giannis to the tune of being clear and a stamp on the subject. Not only is Jokic not clearly better than Giannis will be this season, Giannis will be even more dangerous than usual playing off the gravity off Dame. And will have even more energy for defense. You're all in for a surprise.

No one has Jokic vastly superior to Giannis- what they have is Jokic being slightly better but getting better faster year over year.

4 years ago Giannis was vastly superior to jokic and jokic slowly closed the gap, WHILE Giannis was constantly getting better- which is insane!!!

So it was like Giannis is moving at 100 miles an hour and the league super stars are moving at 80 miles an hour and giannis is lapping the field -

And Jokic is moving at 102 miles an hour-

Feels like the longer time goes the better Jokic gets relative to everyone.. even Giannis…

[RoyceDa59]

For this season I think Giannis and Dame will be hungrier.

I mean, this is legitimately the first time Dame will enter a season with a legitimate chance at a ring. He’s never played with anyone better than him, let alone best player on the league category.

Giannis has something to prove.

That said, Nuggets probably have the better supporting cast.

Assuming all teams are healthy, I expect these 2 teams to make the finals.

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Some of you are so sure Jokic is better than Giannis to the tune of being clear and a stamp on the subject. Not only is Jokic not clearly better than Giannis will be this season, Giannis will be even more dangerous than usual playing off the gravity off Dame. And will have even more energy for defense. You're all in for a surprise.

No one has Jokic vastly superior to Giannis- what they have is Jokic being slightly better but getting better faster year over year.

4 years ago Giannis was vastly superior to jokic and jokic slowly closed the gap, WHILE Giannis was constantly getting better- which is insane!!!

So it was like Giannis is moving at 100 miles an hour and the league super stars are moving at 80 miles an hour and giannis is lapping the field -

And Jokic is moving at 102 miles an hour-

Feels like the longer time goes the better Jokic gets relative to everyone.. even Giannis…

Yeah, that's fine. Everyone's entitled to think what they want, and after the year Giannis had and the year Jokic had, I obviously understand the sentiment for Jokic. I just don't think last year has anything to do with what will happen in the 2024 NBA season and things will be different.