2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 3 - Post Free Agency Discussion

[Fo-Real]

Atleast Nurk is a good dude instead of a whiney cancer!!

[SunsRback4Good]

Wow does sound like Allen was an after thought.

I'd say let's see how we look and we can always pull the trigger during season.

I am really curious how good this 2nd unit can be it should be the best in the NBA (start of 2nd and 4th quarters) :

Beal, Gordon, Allen, Watanabe, Nurkic

Eubanks will start over Nurkic?

[sunsbum]

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Dang so it sounds like we might not even have plans for Grayson Allen at this point and were 100% sold on Nurkic and Little for Ayton.

Wow, now if we trade Allen for TJ McConnell I will not be surprised at all.

I can’t believe we essentially lucked into Allen. lol we legit did no negotiating during this trade. We just said “gimme dat” and the Blazers were lucky AF someone was willing to take Nurkic of their hands.

Whether he’s a good fit or not, to me this story makes the whole situation sound a lot worse on the end of the Suns. Also makes us a little less guilty of helping a contender get better since we were unaware of who the third team was.

I wonder if the suns go through with this knowing Dame goes to the Bucks and there’s a possibility of Jrue going to a west contender. I say, honestly, probably not.

Also why be involved in a trade where there’s a required 8 million that needs to come back to you but you’re not allowed to know who the player is or ask for anyone specific or even a specific size/position. That’s awful.

Edit: maybe I am missing something:

Read on Twitter

“Grayson Allen’s inclusion as the final piece made Phoenix a “resounding yes” to make the trade.”

I guess I don’t know what the whole article said. Anyway, oh well haha

so it sounds like the suns were going to pull the trigger regardless. But I’m hoping the way this is worded makes it seem like phx wants to keep Grayson.

[bwoolf2]

Atleast Nurk is a good dude instead of a whiney cancer!!

Look i know everyone is happy Ayton is gone which is cool, but the same things Suns fans have said about Ayton Portland fans were saying about Nurkic...lazy, doesnt dunk, cant finish at the rim, out of shape, doesnt care... cant just make things up to fit a narrative, they are both likely happier in their new spots for now, what also is likely is they are the same players they were at the last places

People calling Nurk Joker lite is funny, maybe Joker anorexic they arent on the same planet as far as talent goes, but do have some similar attributes.

Fact is we don't need much out of the center position as long as Nurk can accept his role, which for the record he was unwilling to do in Portland he whined and pouted when he didnt get his touches and was out of shape all year. Hopefully he accepts his role here on a winning team time will tell but either way if he doesnt no one will care we can sit him on the bench, trade him, or whatever he will have very little to do with this teams championship goals. Its on Book, KD, and to a lesser extent Beal.

[Qwigglez]

so it sounds like the suns were going to pull the trigger regardless. But I’m hoping the way this is worded makes it seem like phx wants to keep Grayson.

Considering the Suns really wanted Grayson for Jae Crowder, I think the Suns want to keep him.

[Mulhollanddrive]

4 main lineups:

Starters - Beal, Booker, Durant, Bates-Diop, Nurkic

Bench Stagger 1 - Goodwin, Allen, Booker, Durant, Eubanks
Bench Stagger 2 - Beal, Gordon, Allen, Watanabe, Nurkic

Finishers - Beal, Booker, Allen, Durant, Nurkic

[Fo-Real]

Atleast Nurk is a good dude instead of a whiney cancer!!

Look i know everyone is happy Ayton is gone which is cool, but the same things Suns fans have said about Ayton Portland fans were saying about Nurkic...lazy, doesnt dunk, cant finish at the rim, out of shape, doesnt care... cant just make things up to fit a narrative, they are both likely happier in their new spots for now, what also is likely is they are the same players they were at the last places

People calling Nurk Joker lite is funny, maybe Joker anorexic they arent on the same planet as far as talent goes, but do have some similar attributes.

Fact is we don't need much out of the center position as long as Nurk can accept his role, which for the record he was unwilling to do in Portland he whined and pouted when he didnt get his touches and was out of shape all year. Hopefully he accepts his role here on a winning team time will tell but either way if he doesnt no one will care we can sit him on the bench, trade him, or whatever he will have very little to do with this teams championship goals. Its on Book, KD, and to a lesser extent Beal.

Didn't see where you said they called Nurk a whiney bitch or is delusional about his shortcomings, taking no responsibility for anything. NURK-NATING across his chest just below all his jewelry while swearing he is KILLING IT!!! Nurk knows who he is as a player so fitting in to his teammates becomes less of a problem. Ayton sees himself as a top tier team carrying super star, and that was a problem.

[Bogyo]

https://x.com/protectedpick/status/1708179755034636397

Did Nurk lose weight or the angle is funny? Usually camera puts on pounds, no?

[bwoolf2]

Atleast Nurk is a good dude instead of a whiney cancer!!

Look i know everyone is happy Ayton is gone which is cool, but the same things Suns fans have said about Ayton Portland fans were saying about Nurkic...lazy, doesnt dunk, cant finish at the rim, out of shape, doesnt care... cant just make things up to fit a narrative, they are both likely happier in their new spots for now, what also is likely is they are the same players they were at the last places

People calling Nurk Joker lite is funny, maybe Joker anorexic they arent on the same planet as far as talent goes, but do have some similar attributes.

Fact is we don't need much out of the center position as long as Nurk can accept his role, which for the record he was unwilling to do in Portland he whined and pouted when he didnt get his touches and was out of shape all year. Hopefully he accepts his role here on a winning team time will tell but either way if he doesnt no one will care we can sit him on the bench, trade him, or whatever he will have very little to do with this teams championship goals. Its on Book, KD, and to a lesser extent Beal.

Didn't see where you said they called Nurk a whiney bitch or is delusional about his shortcomings, taking no responsibility for anything. NURK-NATING across his chest just below all his jewelry while swearing he is KILLING IT!!! Nurk knows who he is as a player so fitting in to his teammates becomes less of a problem. Ayton sees himself as a top tier team carrying super star, and that was a problem.

They absolutely did but let your hate for Ayton go he cant hurt you anymore, he isnt on the team, it will be ok I know he hurt many but he is gone now. Its going to be ok.

[Bogyo]

Atleast Nurk is a good dude instead of a whiney cancer!!

Look i know everyone is happy Ayton is gone which is cool, but the same things Suns fans have said about Ayton Portland fans were saying about Nurkic...lazy, doesnt dunk, cant finish at the rim, out of shape, doesnt care... cant just make things up to fit a narrative, they are both likely happier in their new spots for now, what also is likely is they are the same players they were at the last places

People calling Nurk Joker lite is funny, maybe Joker anorexic they arent on the same planet as far as talent goes, but do have some similar attributes.

Fact is we don't need much out of the center position as long as Nurk can accept his role, which for the record he was unwilling to do in Portland he whined and pouted when he didnt get his touches and was out of shape all year. Hopefully he accepts his role here on a winning team time will tell but either way if he doesnt no one will care we can sit him on the bench, trade him, or whatever he will have very little to do with this teams championship goals. Its on Book, KD, and to a lesser extent Beal.

Cuz I m bored a bit and I have time...

Everyone who brings up the talk about Ayton not dunking enough - before you do that again, consider how many players we complained about not dunking enough. I can tell you right now: none, and I've been following since 1993, and been on forums since the very early 2000s. There is a reason for that, namely we did not have any other players with the size and athletic gift (42 inch vertical on a 7 foot dude) who did not dunk and seemingly hated contact. He blew more than a couple of situations where he could have scored and gotten a foul as well most likely. If he did that constantly his treatment from other teams and maybe even refs would have been different and helped the team. That's only on him, not on coaches or teammates, etc... Simple as that.
Furthermore: no, nobody will complain about Nurk not dunking enough. Not becouse the "hate" for Ayton (leavebritneyalone), but becouse we see the guy, know that he can't really jump and plays a bit below the rim. That's his game, those are his physical limitations. He excells at other things - hopefully those will be more detrimental to our overall play than a dunk or two.

Not picking on you in particular, I've just gotten tired of this complaining about the legit observation that DA did not dunk enough.

[sunsbum]

Atleast Nurk is a good dude instead of a whiney cancer!!

Look i know everyone is happy Ayton is gone which is cool, but the same things Suns fans have said about Ayton Portland fans were saying about Nurkic...lazy, doesnt dunk, cant finish at the rim, out of shape, doesnt care... cant just make things up to fit a narrative, they are both likely happier in their new spots for now, what also is likely is they are the same players they were at the last places

People calling Nurk Joker lite is funny, maybe Joker anorexic they arent on the same planet as far as talent goes, but do have some similar attributes.

Fact is we don't need much out of the center position as long as Nurk can accept his role, which for the record he was unwilling to do in Portland he whined and pouted when he didnt get his touches and was out of shape all year. Hopefully he accepts his role here on a winning team time will tell but either way if he doesnt no one will care we can sit him on the bench, trade him, or whatever he will have very little to do with this teams championship goals. Its on Book, KD, and to a lesser extent Beal.

Cuz I m bored a bit and I have time...

Everyone who brings up the talk about Ayton not dunking enough - before you do that again, consider how many players we complained about not dunking enough. I can tell you right now: none, and I've been following since 1993, and been on forums since the very early 2000s. There is a reason for that, namely we did not have any other players with the size and athletic gift (42 inch vertical on a 7 foot dude) who did not dunk and seemingly hated contact. He blew more than a couple of situations where he could have scored and gotten a foul as well most likely. If he did that constantly his treatment from other teams and maybe even refs would have been different and helped the team. That's only on him, not on coaches or teammates, etc... Simple as that.
Furthermore: no, nobody will complain about Nurk not dunking enough. Not becouse the "hate" for Ayton (leavebritneyalone), but becouse we see the guy, know that he can't really jump and plays a bit below the rim. That's his game, those are his physical limitations. He excells at other things - hopefully those will be more detrimental to our overall play than a dunk or two.

Not picking on you in particular, I've just gotten tired of this complaining about the legit observation that DA did not dunk enough.

They ping us with Ayton doesn't dunk enough stuff because in a vacuum it sounds really stupid. What people mean by dunking ( and they know this they just choose to ignore it) is his lack of aggressiveness, look at the amount of fouls that he draws a game. Trash tier. But the word dunking sounds sensational to the Ayton defenders so they keep using that. If we said "Well he doesn't drive enough and he doesn't draw enough fouls" they couldn't run with that so they've latched on to the buzz word of dunking to make their argument/point of view seem stronger. So anyways, yea Ayton needs to be more aggressive on his new team, and that includes dunking more...because hes capable.

[sunsbum]

Atleast Nurk is a good dude instead of a whiney cancer!!

Look i know everyone is happy Ayton is gone which is cool, but the same things Suns fans have said about Ayton Portland fans were saying about Nurkic...lazy, doesnt dunk, cant finish at the rim, out of shape, doesnt care... cant just make things up to fit a narrative, they are both likely happier in their new spots for now, what also is likely is they are the same players they were at the last places

People calling Nurk Joker lite is funny, maybe Joker anorexic they arent on the same planet as far as talent goes, but do have some similar attributes.

Fact is we don't need much out of the center position as long as Nurk can accept his role, which for the record he was unwilling to do in Portland he whined and pouted when he didnt get his touches and was out of shape all year. Hopefully he accepts his role here on a winning team time will tell but either way if he doesnt no one will care we can sit him on the bench, trade him, or whatever he will have very little to do with this teams championship goals. Its on Book, KD, and to a lesser extent Beal.

I'm actually sad he's gone in a way that, I'm upset that such a young guy bursting with potential has plateaued and doesn't really want to grow anymore (at least not with phx) . We all dreamed of Devin and Ayton hoisting championship trophies together, we all wanted to see Ayton's game mature. I don't think anyone really disliked him out the gate. (yes I know there are some because of the luka thing but they are few and far.) All that being said I'm glad he's someone else's problem, If he turns the corner and becomes the guy some people on here think he can be, I'll be happy as a clam for him but I'd never think about "what if" because he basically gave up on his team and himself. It's sad to see that chapter of Phoenix basketball close prematurely but that's really the only thing for me personally to be "sad about".

[Stix]

Why do people still listen to Gambo the Clown as if he is relevant?

Because he announced Ayton - Nurkić deal 3 days before anyone else. Lets give credit where credit is due.

He was piggy backing off of a previous report, and he also said it would be done within 24 hours.

[sunsbum]

Why do people still listen to Gambo the Clown as if he is relevant?

Because he announced Ayton - Nurkić deal 3 days before anyone else. Lets give credit where credit is due.

He was piggy backing off of a previous report, and he also said it would be done within 24 hours.

Love that new Avatar

[matt131]

Read on Twitter

Spurs waived Reggie Bullock. Mike Vigil of the timeline podcast recommended trading Grayson for TJ McConnell and signing Reggie.

Honestly….might actually be a good idea.

[Saberestar]

Read on Twitter

Spurs waived Reggie Bullock. Mike Vigil of the timeline podcast recommended trading Grayson for TJ McConnell and signing Reggie.

Honestly….might actually be a good idea.

Is current Reggie Bullock better than KBD, Watanabe, Little or Okogie?

He played much worse last year for the Mavs and I think he isn't an upgrade over any of them.

[matt131]

Read on Twitter

Spurs waived Reggie Bullock. Mike Vigil of the timeline podcast recommended trading Grayson for TJ McConnell and signing Reggie.

Honestly….might actually be a good idea.

Is current Reggie Bullock better than KBD, Watanabe, Little or Okogie?

He played much worse last year for the Mavs and I think he isn't an upgrade over any of them.

I guess I didn’t get a real look at him last year. If he can defend and shoot the three, he’d be our starting SF. Maybe he’s lost a step on defense. If so, I guess just stick with what we’ve got.

Side note: how much do you guys think Okogie actually plays? I can’t tell because he seems like the defender Vogel would love but I feel like the depth we added makes him expendable, especially since he can’t hit shots. He’ll be great depth in the regular season when inevitable injuries hit, but I can actually see him playing much outside of that. Definitely shows an improvement of our depth and overall roster I feel like.

[bwoolf2]

Read on Twitter

Spurs waived Reggie Bullock. Mike Vigil of the timeline podcast recommended trading Grayson for TJ McConnell and signing Reggie.

Honestly….might actually be a good idea.

Is current Reggie Bullock better than KBD, Watanabe, Little or Okogie?

He played much worse last year for the Mavs and I think he isn't an upgrade over any of them.

I guess I didn’t get a real look at him last year. If he can defend and shoot the three, he’d be our starting SF. Maybe he’s lost a step on defense. If so, I guess just stick with what we’ve got.

Side note: how much do you guys think Okogie actually plays? I can’t tell because he seems like the defender Vogel would love but I feel like the depth we added makes him expendable, especially since he can’t hit shots. He’ll be great depth in the regular season when inevitable injuries hit, but I can actually see him playing much outside of that. Definitely shows an improvement of our depth and overall roster I feel like.

We have much better starting options likely a 9th or 10th guy doesn't make sense on this team.

Okogie will all depend if his offensive game if he made some big strides this offseason or if he is the same offensive player as last year likely spot duty

[SlovenianDragon]

yeah lets stay away from reggie

[enigmatics]

Atleast Nurk is a good dude instead of a whiney cancer!!

Look i know everyone is happy Ayton is gone which is cool, but the same things Suns fans have said about Ayton Portland fans were saying about Nurkic...lazy, doesnt dunk, cant finish at the rim, out of shape, doesnt care... cant just make things up to fit a narrative, they are both likely happier in their new spots for now, what also is likely is they are the same players they were at the last places

People calling Nurk Joker lite is funny, maybe Joker anorexic they arent on the same planet as far as talent goes, but do have some similar attributes.

Fact is we don't need much out of the center position as long as Nurk can accept his role, which for the record he was unwilling to do in Portland he whined and pouted when he didnt get his touches and was out of shape all year. Hopefully he accepts his role here on a winning team time will tell but either way if he doesnt no one will care we can sit him on the bench, trade him, or whatever he will have very little to do with this teams championship goals. Its on Book, KD, and to a lesser extent Beal.

F- the dunking. At least Nurkic isn't stuck with rubs, PnP, PnR. Dude ACTUALLY has the talent to initiate the offense.

Can we please take these conversation above the typical 1:1 comparison?