Where's Jrue Go?

[Cricket23]

Boston fan here, impressed with you guys. A lot of us are thinking about a possible trade without including 1 of our bigs.

Something along these lines-

Brogdon
P. Pritchard
Rookie J. Walsh
L. Kornet
S & T B. Griffin (about 3.5 mil)
The necessary picks

Ideally Brogdon and whatever else you don't want would go to another team, with more assets going back to you.

Example-Brogdon to Houston, KPJ (waive) and assets to Portland.

Portland would get expirings or players to waive, assets from 3rd team, Pritchard, Walsh, Kornet, picks from Boston.

No blue chip prospects, although Walsh has promise, but it could be pick rich.

I wouldn't mind that. What type of picks would Celtics be offering?

If it's me, with being able to keep the bigs, I don't mind three unprotected firsts. Plus whatever comes from Houston. If they are willing to go into the second apron, then that team would be a major championship contender for the next couple of years.

[Norm2953]

I would still ask for Robert Williams and Brogdon for I'm skeptical Boston's FRP in 26/28
will be anything special.

With Dame arriving in Milwaukee, Boston really needs Jrue to match up with Dame.

[DusterBuster]

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[DusterBuster]

Boston fan here, impressed with you guys. A lot of us are thinking about a possible trade without including 1 of our bigs.

Something along these lines-

Brogdon
P. Pritchard
Rookie J. Walsh
L. Kornet
S & T B. Griffin (about 3.5 mil)
The necessary picks

Ideally Brogdon and whatever else you don't want would go to another team, with more assets going back to you.

Example-Brogdon to Houston, KPJ (waive) and assets to Portland.

Portland would get expirings or players to waive, assets from 3rd team, Pritchard, Walsh, Kornet, picks from Boston.

No blue chip prospects, although Walsh has promise, but it could be pick rich.

I wouldn't mind that. What type of picks would Celtics be offering?

If it's me, with being able to keep the bigs, I don't mind three unprotected firsts. Plus whatever comes from Houston. If they are willing to go into the second apron, then that team would be a major championship contender for the next couple of years.

From everything we’re hearing in Portland, they really don’t care at all about the salary filler, they just want to focus on as many picks as possible for Jrue.

[DusterBuster]

I would still ask for Robert Williams and Brogdon for I'm skeptical Boston's FRP in 26/28
will be anything special.

With Dame arriving in Milwaukee, Boston really needs Jrue to match up with Dame.

I know Robert Williams is a fun fan-fav type of player, but his injury history really has me out on him. I’m totally fine with the Celtics keeping him.

Pritchard would be a nice backup to Scoot. Keep Brogdon for a few weeks into the season, flip him in January to a contender for another pick.

[The Sebastian Express]

I don't think it's realistic to ask for Rob Williams two picks and a swap.

[Norm2953]

I don't think it's realistic to ask for Rob Williams two picks and a swap.

I sincerely doubt the Celtic's picks even UNP would really matter in the end. Tatum/Brown will
still be in their athletic prime but understand their desire to keep Williams in case KP gets hurt
again. They do however really need Jrue to matchup with Dame unless they feel Derrick White
will be ready for the task,

[Wizenheimer]

I would be fine with 2 firsts, Brogdon and Horford. Robert Williams is nice but dude has a bad injury history.

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rumors are he has a degenerative knee condition. Brandon Roy 2.0

that said, 1st round picks from Boston will not be good picks. I have no interest in that package, and I don't think Brogdon has value anywhere near Jrue

[Butter]

The Blazers have a solid history of missing on late picks.

Victor Claver
Elliot Williams
Nolan Smith
Pat Connaughton
Caleb Swannigan
Nassir Little


Late round 1st's don't win us championships (historically)

[GEE]

I think that in the end, Jrue will largely decide where he wants to go, and that team will feel fortunate enough getting him, that they will gladly offer us up a nice return. Hoping for Brooklyn as the dark horse, with Cronin gladly offering to upgrade Brooklyn from Simmons to Jrue... at the cost of a couple picks and Sharpe.

SF: Grant / Thybulle
PF: Simmons / Sharpe
C: Ayton

My favorite pipedream though, would be to add RUI as our PFotf. If I were Cronin, I'd develop some stategy to add him, to complete the new, young Blazer core. Not sure how though, and I don't think it could happen for several months. Maybe, and hopefully I'm wrong and we can somehow get RUI for Jrue. That would be SICK.

SF: Grant / Thybulle
PF: Rui
C: Ayton

[Whole Truth]

I would still ask for Robert Williams and Brogdon for I'm skeptical Boston's FRP in 26/28
will be anything special.

With Dame arriving in Milwaukee, Boston really needs Jrue to match up with Dame.

I know Robert Williams is a fun fan-fav type of player, but his injury history really has me out on him. I’m totally fine with the Celtics keeping him.

Pritchard would be a nice backup to Scoot. Keep Brogdon for a few weeks into the season, flip him in January to a contender for another pick.

Celtics have 60m tied up in 4 centers - Porzingis, Horford, Williams & Kormet.

If Raptors still have interest in Brogdon as they did before he went to Boston, If Boston could get Koloko 1.7m to replace Williams on the cheap. I could see NO's give a better pick than Boston to Net Williams as a rim running backup..

IDK Maybe - Koloko might be the better flip to NO's.



Raptors trade - (Trent, Koloko, pock ?) for (Brogdon)

Boston trade - (Brogdon, Williams, Kormet, GS 24) for (Jrue, Kploko) - get a cheap Williams replacement to reduce the 60m to 45m

NO's trade - (Kira, 4-5m filler ?, pick ?) for (Williams)

Portland trade - (Jrue) for (Trent exp, Kormet, Kira, filler, GS 24, Raptors pick, NO's pick)



Post trade Celtics would have 45m tied up in Prozingis, Horford, Koloko + Jrue

[DusterBuster]

I would be fine with 2 firsts, Brogdon and Horford. Robert Williams is nice but dude has a bad injury history.

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rumors are he has a degenerative knee condition. Brandon Roy 2.0

that said, 1st round picks from Boston will not be good picks. I have no interest in that package, and I don't think Brogdon has value anywhere near Jrue

Yeahhhh, I’m good. Let Time Lord stay where he’s a fan fav. It’s better for all.

I’ll admit, I’ve not looking into the pick situation for Boston, I assumed they had a handful of spares.

And yeah, I don’t suspect Brogdon has much value. I think Jrue can return 2 to 3 interest first rounders. Brogdon can bring back 1 whatever first rounder or a couple of 2nd rounders and save some cash. I don’t think Brogdon has much value at all, but he’s can be flipped at the deadline.

[The Sebastian Express]

I would actually highly prefer Williams to Ayton if not for his bad knees. I wouldn't even mind trading for him now.

I just don't think it's realistic to expect Boston to give up Williams plus two firsts. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Cricket23]

I think for Boston, they need to keep Porzingis, Horford, and Williams since 1 is older and 2 have been injury prone. No point in giving up picks for Jrue if you're just going to be destroyed inside.

I get the trepidation about the quality of the picks but things change fast in the NBA. In 2030 Tatum and Brown will be in their 30's and may not be on the team. They'll even be 30 by 2028 and might not be on the team. By 2028 the Clips could make a run, tear it down and rebuild, and then be good again. Flip of the coin. The GS pick that Boston owns next year could be decent. Houston was reportedly offering 4 2nd round picks to dump KPJ; what do they offer to replace him with Brogdon?

[DC_Melo]

Let's get some ideas on paper before he's moved!

Boston seems high on the list. He would be a perfect fit after they lost Smart. They have some picks, plus Brogdon and Robert Williams for Jrue works.

Heat for Lowry and Martin - but have to imagine Blazers and Heat aren't gonna be on speaking terms rn lol. I don't think Riley's ego can take trading for Jrue at this point.

Dallas, Tim Hardaway Jr and Holmes? Think they're tapped out on picks.

Chicago? Blazers pick back plus one more, then Lonzo's salary and Patrick Williams + Drummond for filler to make deal work?

Sixers? Maybe a 3 team deal that finally gets Harden moved, Jrue back to Sixers and stuff from 3rd team to Portland? Don't think Morey would consider that enough.

Brooklyn? Simmons and 2 picks for Jrue?

Boston makes a ton of sense for Jrue. Brogdon makes little sense for us so the trade parade would likely continue if we acquired him lol.

I actually wouldn’t be surprised if Riley stomached his pride for an offer. For one, the guy can spin anything and will likely frame it as the 4-d chess move he wanted to make all along. Two, Jrue makes a ton of sense on a roster that now has to deal with Dame on the Bucks. Jrue, Butler, and Bam could form the best defensive trio in the league. Lowry+ one of Jovic/JJJ + 1-2 FRPs would be an awesome deal.

Those are the two I really like. I’d also be interested in Simmons plus 2 picks from the Nets and seeing how he does as a point forward for us, but that move carries more risk.

[PDXKnight]

I think for Boston, they need to keep Porzingis, Horford, and Williams since 1 is older and 2 have been injury prone. No point in giving up picks for Jrue if you're just going to be destroyed inside.

I get the trepidation about the quality of the picks but things change fast in the NBA. In 2030 Tatum and Brown will be in their 30's and may not be on the team. They'll even be 30 by 2028 and might not be on the team. By 2028 the Clips could make a run, tear it down and rebuild, and then be good again. Flip of the coin. The GS pick that Boston owns next year could be decent. Houston was reportedly offering 4 2nd round picks to dump KPJ; what do they offer to replace him with Brogdon?

Exactly make the picks for later like the bucks picks. We should probably try to settle our Chicago pick somewhere in the process somehow especially if it looks like we will screw ourselves out of a good swap in 2028

I guess it depends on the market, if another team is willing to offer 2-3 solid firsts soonish (ie okc holds tons of firsts) then you jump on it. But if Boston holds the best offer roll with it

And when it comes to Boston trading bigs I think we need some perspective in regards to jrue. He's widely considered one of the best on ball back court defenders in the league, he's a distributor, knows his role, and just made an all star game last year, not to mention his contract is quite a bit easier to work a trade out due to there being less money. I think if a team can land him they do it and then figure out the other pieces afterwards. So who knows we may be able to demand 3 firsts and Williams and see how far that goes and if all else fails fall back on the 2 firsts + 1 first swap

[DusterBuster]

Boston makes a ton of sense for Jrue. Brogdon makes little sense for us so the trade parade would likely continue if we acquired him lol.

I’ve got my front row seats to that parade, so count me in! Keep the trades comin!

You’re 100% right, Brogdon would need to be flipped again, but he would be helpful off the bench behind Scoot for half a season before flipping him to a contender at the deadline.

I actually wouldn’t be surprised if Riley stomached his pride for an offer. For one, the guy can spin anything and will likely frame it as the 4-d chess move he wanted to make all along. Two, Jrue makes a ton of sense on a roster that now has to deal with Dame on the Bucks. Jrue, Butler, and Bam could form the best defensive trio in the league. Lowry+ one of Jovic/JJJ + 1-2 FRPs would be an awesome deal.

Yeah, Miami and Boston really are the two teams who make the most sense for Jrue. Anyone who anticipates facing Milwaukee in the ECF should make it a priority to get Jrue.

Miami is just a hard team to make salaries match right now. Lowry and one of the young guys doesn’t work. Lowry and Caleb Martin for Jrue is the only deal that works currently. Not sure if the Heat would do that since Martin is their starting SF, unless they are so confident in Jacquez to be a day 1 starter?

Those are the two I really like. I’d also be interested in Simmons plus 2 picks from the Nets and seeing how he does as a point forward for us, but that move carries more risk.

Yeah, I like Simmons and picks for Jrue in theory. Not sure the Nets consider themselves enough of a contender for that deal. I also worry about Scoot’s development with Simmons on the team. For Simmons to be even remotely productive, he needs the ball in his hands to create on offense. That takes away Scoots opportunities to do the same and his offense likely isn’t good enough yet to play a ton off the ball (tbd).

So twisting my arm, I would take a swing here and see how that experiment goes if it were offered, but I’d have more concerns than I do with the Ayton experiment.

[DusterBuster]

I think for Boston, they need to keep Porzingis, Horford, and Williams since 1 is older and 2 have been injury prone. No point in giving up picks for Jrue if you're just going to be destroyed inside.

I get the trepidation about the quality of the picks but things change fast in the NBA. In 2030 Tatum and Brown will be in their 30's and may not be on the team. They'll even be 30 by 2028 and might not be on the team. By 2028 the Clips could make a run, tear it down and rebuild, and then be good again. Flip of the coin. The GS pick that Boston owns next year could be decent. Houston was reportedly offering 4 2nd round picks to dump KPJ; what do they offer to replace him with Brogdon?

Four second rounders for KPJs huge contract that will need to be waived is a pretty unimpressive offer by Houston. He should be 2 first rounders minimum to dump a contract that bad that’s just going to sit on a teams books for 3 (or is it 4?) years.

Regarding your first point for Boston, how are they making contracts match if they’re keeping Horford and Robert Williams? I would be fine with them keeping both, I have zero interest in Rob Williams myself, nothing against him, just don’t trust his knees. And regarding Horford, I like his fit as a veteran lockerroom presence but far from necessary. If the Blazers could just waive him so he returns to Boston, I would be fine with that, but alas, the NBA has a rule against that.

As for first round pick quality, picks are inherently a gamble. As long as the protections are ridiculous so the picks convey, I’m good with whatever.

[m0ng0]

Simmons would be intriguing at this point just as a defensive specialist and playmaker.

[DusterBuster]

I would actually highly prefer Williams to Ayton if not for his bad knees. I wouldn't even mind trading for him now.

I just don't think it's realistic to expect Boston to give up Williams’s plus two firsts. Maybe I'm wrong.

I can’t disagree with that more. Even if Ayton weren’t on the Blazers, I wouldn’t take Williams over Ayton even without the knee problems.

No disrespect to Robert Williams, but he’s more of a role player than a quality 20/10 starter near all star quality player. He’s undersized at the C position, plays with a lot of passion so I get why he’s a fan favorite, al la Brian Grant type, but you can’t teach 7ft.