Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 11th Heaven

[Dogen]

Read on Twitter

I think I'd move him into Banton's spot if possible. We could use one more 3-D guy.

[shackles10]

All this talent and we're gonna leave it to bubblegum Joe.

It's the only thing keeping me from presuming a title out the gate.

He’s got half a season to perform. Sam is waiting in the wings lol.

You really think they'll let Hauser coach??

[shackles10]

Read on Twitter

I think I'd move him into Banton's spot if possible. We could use one more 3-D guy.

Honestly I'd rather keep Banton as a young project. We're thinner on draft picks than we were a day ago, and his size is intriguing. He likely won't develop (more don't than do), but I don't see Bullock getting meaningful minutes anyways.

[hugepatsfan]

Read on Twitter

Looking at their past history and assuming reduction for aging (Horford/Holiday) and assuming role increases (White), assuming all of them are healthy come playoff time, here's what I imagine our top 6 could go:

Tatum - 38-40 minutes
Brown - 37-40 minutes
Holiday - 36-38 minutes
Porzingis - 31-33 minutes
White - 32-34 minutes
Horford - 24-28 minutes

That gives you somewhere between 198 and 213 minutes total for that group. That leaves you with somewhere between 27 and 42 minutes to fill with the "rest of the roster".

Bullock isn't the most spectacular option, but he's good enough to play 20+ minutes in a playoff rotation. We have a bunch of guys who maybe could do it, but none who are proven in it.

Adding Bullock would be an obvious move to give yourself a decent floor for your 7th man. Greatly reduces the risk throughout the roster.

[DusterBuster]

I’m sure if POR would’ve done the 6-for-1 trade, Rob would be at Celtics media day today. But this — for the Celtics — was the cost of getting Jrue and (just as important) keeping him from ending up in Miami.

That was never a realistic option.

[hugepatsfan]

I'd replace Banton and Svi with Austin Rivers and Reggie Bullock if I could.

Holiday / Pritchard / Rivers
White / Bullock
Brown / Hauser / Walsh
Tatum / Brissett / Stevens
Porzingis / Horford / Gabriel / Kornet

[MeanGeraldGreen]

Funniest player in the league?

Read on Twitter

?s=20

[Hal14]

I’m sure if POR would’ve done the 6-for-1 trade, Rob would be at Celtics media day today. But this — for the Celtics — was the cost of getting Jrue and (just as important) keeping him from ending up in Miami.

Plus this way, we have 15 good players instead of 11..

[Hal14]

I'd replace Banton and Svi with Austin Rivers and Reggie Bullock if I could.

Rivers has been a FA all offseason. Don't you think that if there was enough mutual interest between him and the Celtics, we would've signed him by now? We could've signed him instead of Svi, Stevens, Brissett and Banton..

As for Bullock, I suppose we could sign him. But what does he offer that is unique, that we don't already have covered with the other players on the roster? He's a 6'6", maybe 6'7" wing who can shoot but doesn't really do anything else. Journeyman who has bounced around the league, doesn't seem to stick anywhere.

What does he offer that Hauser or Svi doesn't offer? At least Hauser has 2 years under his belt with the celtics, building chemistry with our guys, learning our systems and schemes, he's a good cutter, doesn't let the ball stick to him. Is rapidly improving as a defender. 5th on the team last season in net rating, we were 22-3 in games where he played 20+ MPG.

Svi offers something unique as he's not just a wing shooter but also a really solid, underrated passer/playmaker.

And as for Banton, he might not be a proven shooter, but we have plenty of shooting on this team. Banton offers something unique as a 6'9" PG who can legit run an offense, bring the ball up the floor and initiate the offense - even against tough defensive pressure, can easily create separation off the dribble and get by his man, pressure the rim, throw lobs, sees the floor well, make cross court skip passes off a live dribble, etc. That's a unique skill set at 6'9", and only 23 yrs old - combined with intriguing defensive potential - nice combination defensively of shot blocking and creating turnovers out on the perimeter. He's a nice upside developmental piece for the end of the roster.

I'm just not sure if Bullock replacing any of our current guys really moves the need enough to justify making the move..

[31to6]

Wouldn’t be surprised at another move today.

Pascal Siakam?

but seriously: salary dump Pritchard
(does any team have space and a desire to give up a 2nd for him?)

[Celts17Pride]

Wouldn’t be surprised at another move today.

Pascal Siakam?

but seriously: salary dump Pritchard
(does any team have space and a desire to give up a 2nd for him?)

Not with you on Pritchard. I think Pritchard will be real valuable this year.

[steefP2]

Wouldn’t be surprised at another move today.

Pascal Siakam?

but seriously: salary dump Pritchard
(does any team have space and a desire to give up a 2nd for him?)

Makes no sense to dump him; we need him to package with whoever we get with the grant tpe if we use it. Can get us to 11 mil in salary for matching hypothetically

[MeanGeraldGreen]

From Hollinger/The Athletic

And it all stemmed from the willingness at first to take a half-step back and deal Smart to Memphis, which I’ve been led to believe was already in the works when the Porziņģis trade came up.One of the picks from that Grizzlies trade went with Boston’s own 2029 first to acquire both Holiday and Porziņģis. The Celtics got better at both point guard and center, and they already were an elite team.

(The Celtics also got the 25th pick from Memphis in the trade, sent the 35th pick to Washington, then traded down four times on draft night and got four future seconds to end up at No. 38 and take the player they were likely going to take anyway in Jordan Walsh. Shrewd, shrewd stuff.)

[31to6]

Pascal Siakam?

but seriously: salary dump Pritchard
(does any team have space and a desire to give up a 2nd for him?)

Makes no sense to dump him; we need him to package with whoever we get with the grant tpe if we use it. Can get us to 11 mil in salary for matching hypothetically

can't package anything with a TPE under old rules is my understanding, and for second apron teams going forward I don't believe you can aggregate ANY salaries at all (I believe that new restriction kicks in next season, not this season though)

[steefP2]

but seriously: salary dump Pritchard
(does any team have space and a desire to give up a 2nd for him?)

Makes no sense to dump him; we need him to package with whoever we get with the grant tpe if we use it. Can get us to 11 mil in salary for matching hypothetically

can't package anything with a TPE under old rules is my understanding, and for second apron teams going forward I don't believe you can aggregate ANY salaries at all (I believe that new restriction kicks in next season, not this season though)

You misunderstand; I mean use grant tpe now. Get a guy. Package that guy + Pritchard at the deadline. Aggregation rules only in effect next season so this is last opportunity

[31to6]

I’m sure if POR would’ve done the 6-for-1 trade, Rob would be at Celtics media day today. But this — for the Celtics — was the cost of getting Jrue and (just as important) keeping him from ending up in Miami.

That was never a realistic option.

oh agreed. That's what BOS wanted; POR wanted like 4 picks. They met in the middle and everyone seems happy -- except Celtics fans who don't yet appreciate Jrue Holiday and/or assume the team could have made this deal for less. But there was a quick bidding war and the Celtics did what they had to do to win it.

Please enjoy Rob for us. Sometimes you trade a player away and kind of hope they don't succeed so that you won't feel as 'bad' about it. I doubt there's many Celtics fans who feel that way about Rob. Hope he develops into the absolute monster he can be.

[Hal14]

From Hollinger/The Athletic

And it all stemmed from the willingness at first to take a half-step back and deal Smart to Memphis, which I’ve been led to believe was already in the works when the Porziņģis trade came up.One of the picks from that Grizzlies trade went with Boston’s own 2029 first to acquire both Holiday and Porziņģis. The Celtics got better at both point guard and center, and they already were an elite team.

(The Celtics also got the 25th pick from Memphis in the trade, sent the 35th pick to Washington, then traded down four times on draft night and got four future seconds to end up at No. 38 and take the player they were likely going to take anyway in Jordan Walsh. Shrewd, shrewd stuff.)

If we win the championship and Brad doesn't get executive of the year, we riot.

[hugepatsfan]

I'd replace Banton and Svi with Austin Rivers and Reggie Bullock if I could.

Rivers has been a FA all offseason. Don't you think that if there was enough mutual interest between him and the Celtics, we would've signed him by now? We could've signed him instead of Svi, Stevens, Brissett and Banton..

That's true. My thinking though is that before, when we had Porzingis/Al/Rob all on the team, 1 guard/2 wing/2 big lineups figured to be the core of our team. Now, after this deal, it looks to me like we'll be back to 2 guard/2 wing/1 big lineups.

Before, when I figured we'd only play 1 guard most of the time, we had White/Brogdon/Pritchard/Banton all for that one spot. So Banton was really more "break glass in case of emergency" role where you could take a flier on development. Now, we have those Holiday/White/Pritchard/Banton which is still 4 guys, but it's going to make up most of the PG and SG minutes vs. just 2. So a more proven guy like Austin Rivers who doesn't need to develop to play might be a bigger need than someone like Banton. That's where I'm coming from with that.

[31to6]

Makes no sense to dump him; we need him to package with whoever we get with the grant tpe if we use it. Can get us to 11 mil in salary for matching hypothetically

can't package anything with a TPE under old rules is my understanding, and for second apron teams going forward I don't believe you can aggregate ANY salaries at all (I believe that new restriction kicks in next season, not this season though)

You misunderstand; I mean use grant tpe now. Get a guy. Package that guy + Pritchard at the deadline. Aggregation rules only in effect next season so this is last opportunity

YOU MEAN I HAVE TO READ ALLL OF THE WORDS????
you are a scholar and a gentleman -- my bad.
Does seem like a lot of work to add more salary, though?

[MeanGeraldGreen]

This is why I knew they’d be so aggressive here.

Read on Twitter