Deandre Ayton news and discussion

[bwgood77]

Glad to see the back of the big heartless softie.

But who will take over as the new whipping boy of Suns fans?

Probably KD.

[bwgood77]

I love how you are happy. But we got complete dog $:&& for Ayton ….

And why do you think the rest of the league didn't want to give up better value for Ayton as a player or Ayton as a contract?

If Ayton played with the heart of Mikal the Suns keep him. If Ayton played with the professionalism and desire of Booker the Suns keep him. If Ayton was drafted number ten and didn't get a max contract the Suns keep him. If Ayton approached close to any of these things the rest of the league would be scrambling to make room for him on their team.

In part last summer because only a couple teams had cap space, and most teams had a legit starting C. As for trade, him being overpaid hurts, but I think he'd have some value if Indy hadn't offered the max and we ended up getting him on a cheaper deal.

Often times those guys get overpaid contracts from teams and they are hard to trade...it happened with Otto Porter, Tyler Johnson, Allen Crabbe and others.

It's just like Towns, Gobert, etc, the fact that they will become untradeable soon will be because they are overpaid...doesn't mean no one thinks they have value.

Lillard is a superstar and was recently a top 10 player (still would be if stayed healthy), and they didn't; get much in trade for him, but a lot of teams wanted him...they just couldn't give up much....doesn't mean he doesn't have much value to other GMs because the offers were only Jrue and a pick, Herro and a pick, etc. Many competitive teams lack the picks to trade, salaries to match, etc. Trades are often times hard to do.

[enigmatics]

I love how you are happy. But we got complete dog $:&& for Ayton ….

And why do you think the rest of the league didn't want to give up better value for Ayton as a player or Ayton as a contract?

If Ayton played with the heart of Mikal the Suns keep him. If Ayton played with the professionalism and desire of Booker the Suns keep him. If Ayton was drafted number ten and didn't get a max contract the Suns keep him. If Ayton approached close to any of these things the rest of the league would be scrambling to make room for him on their team.

In part last summer because only a couple teams had cap space, and most teams had a legit starting C. As for trade, him being overpaid hurts, but I think he'd have some value if Indy hadn't offered the max and we ended up getting him on a cheaper deal.

Often times those guys get overpaid contracts from teams and they are hard to trade...it happened with Otto Porter, Tyler Johnson, Allen Crabbe and others.

It's just like Towns, Gobert, etc, the fact that they will become untradeable soon will be because they are overpaid...doesn't mean no one thinks they have value.

Lillard is a superstar and was recently a top 10 player (still would be if stayed healthy), and they didn't; get much in trade for him, but a lot of teams wanted him...they just couldn't give up much....doesn't mean he doesn't have much value to other GMs because the offers were only Jrue and a pick, Herro and a pick, etc. Many competitive teams lack the picks to trade, salaries to match, etc. Trades are often times hard to do.

Respectfully, you're making excuses.

If he was the player some insist he is then with the ever expanding nature of the cap - teams would've tried hard to get him considering it was obvious the relationship with the Suns continued to deteriorate.

Hell look at the Blazers deal - they could've had DA in a straight up trade with the Suns all offseason but they waited for a 3 team trade that spoke largely to spiting the Heat rather than their love for Deandre.

[bwgood77]

And why do you think the rest of the league didn't want to give up better value for Ayton as a player or Ayton as a contract?

If Ayton played with the heart of Mikal the Suns keep him. If Ayton played with the professionalism and desire of Booker the Suns keep him. If Ayton was drafted number ten and didn't get a max contract the Suns keep him. If Ayton approached close to any of these things the rest of the league would be scrambling to make room for him on their team.

In part last summer because only a couple teams had cap space, and most teams had a legit starting C. As for trade, him being overpaid hurts, but I think he'd have some value if Indy hadn't offered the max and we ended up getting him on a cheaper deal.

Often times those guys get overpaid contracts from teams and they are hard to trade...it happened with Otto Porter, Tyler Johnson, Allen Crabbe and others.

It's just like Towns, Gobert, etc, the fact that they will become untradeable soon will be because they are overpaid...doesn't mean no one thinks they have value.

Lillard is a superstar and was recently a top 10 player (still would be if stayed healthy), and they didn't; get much in trade for him, but a lot of teams wanted him...they just couldn't give up much....doesn't mean he doesn't have much value to other GMs because the offers were only Jrue and a pick, Herro and a pick, etc. Many competitive teams lack the picks to trade, salaries to match, etc. Trades are often times hard to do.

Respectfully, you're making excuses.

If he was the player some insist he is then with the ever expanding nature of the cap - teams would've tried hard to get him considering it was obvious the relationship with the Suns continued to deteriorate.

Hell look at the Blazers deal - they could've had DA in a straight up trade with the Suns all offseason but they waited for a 3 team trade that spoke largely to spiting the Heat rather than their love for Deandre.

Most teams are/were just set at C and few teams had cap space. I mentioned it before. No one could really offer him a contract that summer outside of a couple teams.

Phx/Por waited for a 3rd team because Phx wanted a vet player from a 3rd team...Portland didn't have a good vet player (aside from Jokic) that Phx wanted or Portland wanted to give up. Trades are discussed all the time by teams. It's just hard to make them work. Even when I went through all the teams months back to try and think of potential trades, at the time I only could come up with 2. With Charlotte and with SA. Then Toronto got Poeltl and SA went full tank/rebuild.

There just isn't often a market for even great players (not saying Ayton is great) because you have to have the space/right players etc to pull it off. Ayton had to approve a trade too until a year had passed so they likely waited until that expired. He signed late last offseason.

I'm not claiming he is super valued by GMs but the fact he wasn't traded until now certainly doesn't mean no GM wants anything to do with him or anything. Teams have to have a need, be in the right time in their timeline, have the right players to trade that they are willing to trade and Phx values, cap space has to be considered, etc....there are a ton of factors.

[Mulhollanddrive]

He's been available for 2 years if there was anything much better we'd have gotten it.

If reality isn't an accurate reflection I don't know what is.

[kennydorglas]

haha Deandre went to Portland and they just got Timelord as well.
This will be intriguing at least.

[bigfoot]

DA asking James Jones for a trade kills any narrative that he could have changed under Vogel and without CP3. Just proved that Ayton was more about playing for himself than for a championship. Pisses me off that he bagged the playoffs for the last two years and killed the Suns chances at a chip.

[Jdiddy701]

DA asking James Jones for a trade kills any narrative that he could have changed under Vogel and without CP3. Just proved that Ayton was more about playing for himself than for a championship. Pisses me off that he bagged the playoffs for the last two years and killed the Suns chances at a chip.

The last two games vs Denver in the playoffs where he just gave up and sat out was pretty sad. That pretty much describes everything about Deandre Ayton - a guy that just doesn’t care and probably never will.

I’ve always said, if he got drafted to another team, he would be labeled a bust. The Suns hid a lot of his issues with the great supporting cast around him. Other bigs would have loved to be in his shoes. He screwed it up big time.


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[Jdiddy701]

A read online that Deandre Ayton unfollowed Book and KD on IG after the trade. What a loser this guy is. I couldn’t imagine ever doing something like that.


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[Qwigglez]

A read online that Deandre Ayton unfollowed Book and KD on IG after the trade. What a loser this guy is. I couldn’t imagine ever doing something like that.


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Unfollowing coworkers when you are no longer coworkers?

But nah... I really think Book didn't vibe with Ayton's aloofness. Ayton is following roughly 150 people, many former teammates (from Suns), but he decided to unfollow Book and KG, so something was definitely up with their relationship.

[Jdiddy701]

A read online that Deandre Ayton unfollowed Book and KD on IG after the trade. What a loser this guy is. I couldn’t imagine ever doing something like that.


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Unfollowing coworkers when you are no longer coworkers?

But nah... I really think Book didn't vibe with Ayton's aloofness. Ayton is following roughly 150 people, many former teammates (from Suns), but he decided to unfollow Book and KG, so something was definitely up with their relationship.

It’s childish. He has an issue with everyone who tries to hold him accountable. That’s why he didn’t get along with Monty, Book, KD and CP3. All those guys would have loved to see DA do well. I’m happy it’s finally over. Sorry to continue to bring DA up, he ruined so much for us.


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[SunsRback4Good]

I'm going to be lazy and ask the question instead of doing research myself but has any player ever come into the league like Ayton has, lacking aggression, lacking the desire to draw contact and changed during their career into a dunk slamming, FT getting force to be reckon with down low?

Three years later and his game has never changed. He’s the same Ayton that we seen from 2020, 21, 22, 23, and so on.

[lonea]

I'm going to be lazy and ask the question instead of doing research myself but has any player ever come into the league like Ayton has, lacking aggression, lacking the desire to draw contact and changed during their career into a dunk slamming, FT getting force to be reckon with down low?

Three years later and his game has never changed. He’s the same Ayton that we seen from 2020, 21, 22, 23, and so on.

He's the same ayton since high school, check his high school highlights on youtube

[sunsbum]

https://clutchpoints.com/blazers-news-deandre-ayton-message-chauncey-billups-amid-centers-absence-suns

Well this is an interesting choice of words. I’m going to have so much fun watching this drama unfold in Portland this year.

[bigfoot]

https://clutchpoints.com/blazers-news-deandre-ayton-message-chauncey-billups-amid-centers-absence-suns

Well this is an interesting choice of words. I’m going to have so much fun watching this drama unfold in Portland this year.

Fire Chauncy now

[bwgood77]

https://clutchpoints.com/blazers-news-deandre-ayton-message-chauncey-billups-amid-centers-absence-suns

Well this is an interesting choice of words. I’m going to have so much fun watching this drama unfold in Portland this year.

Seemed pretty positive on him..."excited to have him, likes where is mindspace is now..excited about him..thinks he can be one of the best Cs in the league".

I think he will struggle a bit for awhile with new players and not having that vet PG he is used to. His rookie year he was impressive offensively given the crap for PGs we has, but he's gotten used to just being a finisher because of our offense and how Paul likes to utilize Cs.

[garrick]

https://clutchpoints.com/blazers-news-deandre-ayton-message-chauncey-billups-amid-centers-absence-suns

Well this is an interesting choice of words. I’m going to have so much fun watching this drama unfold in Portland this year.

Seemed pretty positive on him..."excited to have him, likes where is mindspace is now..excited about him..thinks he can be one of the best Cs in the league".

I think he will struggle a bit for awhile with new players and not having that vet PG he is used to. His rookie year he was impressive offensively given the crap for PGs we has, but he's gotten used to just being a finisher because of our offense and how Paul likes to utilize Cs.

I thought when the trade went through that he could average 20ppg but now that I see the Blazers they have a ton of young players all wanting to get theirs so he might not get that many more touches than he got here in Phoenix but I guess it depends on how Billips wants the offense to be run.

[bwgood77]

Seemed pretty positive on him..."excited to have him, likes where is mindspace is now..excited about him..thinks he can be one of the best Cs in the league".

I think he will struggle a bit for awhile with new players and not having that vet PG he is used to. His rookie year he was impressive offensively given the crap for PGs we has, but he's gotten used to just being a finisher because of our offense and how Paul likes to utilize Cs.

I thought when the trade went through that he could average 20ppg but now that I see the Blazers they have a ton of young players all wanting to get theirs so he might not get that many more touches than he got here in Phoenix but I guess it depends on how Billips wants the offense to be run.

Grant and Simons like a lot of shots. Scoot probably will too. Last year Ayton's shots were up due to all the injuries. He will probably stay around there...12 or 13 shots. It's just not a league where many Cs get many shots.

Only a few Cs averaged over 12 shots per game. Embiid was over 20, but Jokic didn't even reach 15, and averaged 14.8. AD around 17, Porzingis and Bam around 15 and Vucevic were around 14, but that's really about it. So Ayton was like 7th in shots and 7th in points per game. Sabonis scored more on fewer shots and Vucevic less on more shots.

He probably stays around the same I imagine, with a decrease in FG% with a lot more defensive focus and new teammates, a rookie PG, etc. So his pts may decrease a little on the same # of shots. But I imagine eventually at some point they go up when the team has more chemistry. But they have at least 3 guys aside from Ayton who probably want to score 20 a game.

Most Cs averaged fewer than 10 shots. There were a few in the 11s. Sabonis was 11.9.

[Bogyo]

https://clutchpoints.com/blazers-news-deandre-ayton-message-chauncey-billups-amid-centers-absence-suns

Well this is an interesting choice of words. I’m going to have so much fun watching this drama unfold in Portland this year.

Fire Chauncy now

Chauncy was on the Pistons who won a ring with their defense and attitude - DA's chit wont fly well with him...

[Saberestar]