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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1661 » by skbucks1985 » Wed Oct 4, 2023 1:28 pm

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I think he's overstating Jrue's flaws. First of all, the video starts with him doing a slight mea culpa on his criticism of Joe Cronin which prompted me to look up what he said about Joe Cronin and let's just say if Joe Cronin ever wins Executive of the Year the fan-made Youtube video will be using his comments very prominently. He's right that Jrue doesn't solve for Boston's lack of a lead guard. That's been a problem for them in year's past and will continue to be a problem for them. Where I think he's wrong is Jrue as a defensive player and primarily on Dame. We don't need to further litigate Jrue on Jimmy but I'll just say that putting Jrue on someone who he's giving up a few inches to and is a really high level shot maker is not a great idea. If they put Jrue on Middleton, I think Khris could have a lot of success. But that's not going to be the case with Dame. That was also a long time ago and its possible that Dame has seen his mistakes in that series and learned from them. I also think Boston had a pretty good matchup for Dame even before this trade in Derrick White and so there's some redundancy but it is beneficial to them knowing that, assuming they're both healthy, that they can be more aggressive and worry less about foul trouble because they know that the other guy is there to pick up the slack if they do get into foul trouble.
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1662 » by Matches Malone » Wed Oct 4, 2023 1:33 pm

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I think he's overstating Jrue's flaws. First of all, the video starts with him doing a slight mea culpa on his criticism of Joe Cronin which prompted me to look up what he said about Joe Cronin and let's just say if Joe Cronin ever wins Executive of the Year the fan-made Youtube video will be using his comments very prominently. He's right that Jrue doesn't solve for Boston's lack of a lead guard. That's been a problem for them in year's past and will continue to be a problem for them. Where I think he's wrong is Jrue as a defensive player and primarily on Dame. We don't need to further litigate Jrue on Jimmy but I'll just say that putting Jrue on someone who he's giving up a few inches to and is a really high level shot maker is not a great idea. If they put Jrue on Middleton, I think Khris could have a lot of success. But that's not going to be the case with Dame. That was also a long time ago and its possible that Dame has seen his mistakes in that series and learned from them. I also think Boston had a pretty good matchup for Dame even before this trade in Derrick White and so there's some redundancy but it is beneficial to them knowing that, assuming they're both healthy, that they can be more aggressive and worry less about foul trouble because they know that the other guy is there to pick up the slack if they do get into foul trouble.


Jrue is a good defender but the rub is calling him a "Dame Stopper" when over the course of their careers, Dame really only had that one bad playoff performance against Jrue, which included Rondo and a roaming AD to make life hell on him.

Our matchups with Boston will likely come down to how Griffin wants to attack their frontcourt.
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

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I think he's overstating Jrue's flaws. First of all, the video starts with him doing a slight mea culpa on his criticism of Joe Cronin which prompted me to look up what he said about Joe Cronin and let's just say if Joe Cronin ever wins Executive of the Year the fan-made Youtube video will be using his comments very prominently. He's right that Jrue doesn't solve for Boston's lack of a lead guard. That's been a problem for them in year's past and will continue to be a problem for them. Where I think he's wrong is Jrue as a defensive player and primarily on Dame. We don't need to further litigate Jrue on Jimmy but I'll just say that putting Jrue on someone who he's giving up a few inches to and is a really high level shot maker is not a great idea. If they put Jrue on Middleton, I think Khris could have a lot of success. But that's not going to be the case with Dame. That was also a long time ago and its possible that Dame has seen his mistakes in that series and learned from them. I also think Boston had a pretty good matchup for Dame even before this trade in Derrick White and so there's some redundancy but it is beneficial to them knowing that, assuming they're both healthy, that they can be more aggressive and worry less about foul trouble because they know that the other guy is there to pick up the slack if they do get into foul trouble.


Jrue is a good defender but the rub is calling him a "Dame Stopper" when over the course of their careers, Dame really only had that one bad playoff performance against Jrue, which included Rondo and a roaming AD to make life hell on him.

Our matchups with Boston will likely come down to how Griffin wants to attack their frontcourt.


His frontcourt in that series was also Al-Farouq Aminu and Nurkic which it goes without saying how much of a downgrade that is from Giannis and Brook. It wouldn't surprise me one iota if we see Giannis and Dame basically taking turns dominating playoff series. If they play Miami, I could see Dame going nuclear while Giannis looks similar to what he did in 21 with lower scoring output but clamping down Butler. Conversely, Giannis goes nuclear against Boston while Dame is averaging something like 20 pts and 12 assists.
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1664 » by emunney » Wed Oct 4, 2023 3:37 pm

This is actually kind of sad.

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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1665 » by jschligs » Wed Oct 4, 2023 3:40 pm

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Holy crap. For a second it made me think, "is he doing this on purpose to troll?" But there is no way, he has zero handles with his left.
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1666 » by PG Graveyard » Wed Oct 4, 2023 3:42 pm

Is that the hand he cut or whatever? Not great to give a guy over 300M and that is the situation.
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1667 » by Balls2TheWalls » Wed Oct 4, 2023 3:49 pm

PG Graveyard wrote:Is that the hand he cut or whatever? Not great to give a guy over 300M and that is the situation.


They were in the same situation that we were with Khris. Either pay him that much money or let him leave and lose the salary slot. It is an obvious overpay, but I don't think anyone was willing to part with anything of value for him.
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1668 » by Prez » Wed Oct 4, 2023 4:17 pm

We need to get an aggressive pressure on-ball defender that is at least 6’5” and can hound the **** out of Jaylen on ball. Would be dope if it’s Dre or MarJon but I doubt it, at least not this season, so Horst is gonna have to work some magic again mid season. But you take Jaylen out of the series offensively and they’re substantially more beatable.

Huge part of why I’m high on Tatum but low on Jaylen. It’s honestly embarrassing for Jaylen that he’s a perimeter player going into year 8 on a $300 mil supermax and this is still such a problem for him.
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1669 » by German Athens » Wed Oct 4, 2023 4:41 pm

Prez wrote:We need to get an aggressive pressure on-ball defender that is at least 6’5” and can hound the **** out of Jaylen on ball. Would be dope if it’s Dre or MarJon but I doubt it, at least not this season, so Horst is gonna have to work some magic again mid season. But you take Jaylen out of the series offensively and they’re substantially more beatable.

Huge part of why I’m high on Tatum but low on Jaylen. It’s honestly embarrassing for Jaylen that he’s a perimeter player going into year 8 on a $300 mil supermax and this is still such a problem for him.


Nembhard. He was 5th in defensive pressure score last year, he’s 6’5” and just a really savvy dude on both sides of the ball.
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1671 » by glenn » Wed Oct 4, 2023 5:23 pm

Jimmy is just trolling everyone now. I kind of respect it. He’s talked up Griffin before.
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1672 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Oct 4, 2023 5:40 pm

Disclaimer: I really like Amin because he knows he needs to entertain, and isn't afraid to give opinions. And he's a good guy. He said the Bucks were cooked against Phoenix. After the Bucks won the title, he did a dunk tank in Milwaukee for charity. This is a cool video. Complete respect for the guy.

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That said, he's a bit like Nate Duncan. He knows the flaws of our players and leans on the side of glass half-empty. We all know Jrue doesn't have great handles, and tends to set things up for himself versus other players. He's not wrong in the take that this isn't JKidd or Rondo they are getting.
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1673 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Oct 4, 2023 5:51 pm

I'm just glad we didn't do this trade in July and have 3+ months of these kind of contrarian takes desperately trying to mental gymnastics around how a 58-win contender that just added a Top-15 at worst player is somehow not even the favorites in their own conference. Preseason mercifully starts in 4-days.
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1675 » by skbucks1985 » Wed Oct 4, 2023 6:02 pm

One element of the really simplistic Jrue analysis is missing is the dismissal about his postseason shooting by just saying that he'll be the 3rd option and that'll lead to better shooting numbers. In these 3 seasons, the last 2 primarily, I've never felt like Jrue's numbers were bad because he was too much of an offensive focal point. His numbers were bad because he was missing shots that he was making during the regular season and he doesn't have great shot selection. That gets mitigated a little bit by lesser offensive responsibilities but it'll still be present.
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1676 » by emunney » Wed Oct 4, 2023 6:09 pm

Oooooof. That said, he looks big. Could be better suited to play more like a big, which I would love for them.

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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1677 » by German Athens » Wed Oct 4, 2023 6:15 pm

skbucks1985 wrote:One element of the really simplistic Jrue analysis is missing is the dismissal about his postseason shooting by just saying that he'll be the 3rd option and that'll lead to better shooting numbers. In these 3 seasons, the last 2 primarily, I've never felt like Jrue's numbers were bad because he was too much of an offensive focal point. His numbers were bad because he was missing shots that he was making during the regular season and he doesn't have great shot selection. That gets mitigated a little bit by lesser offensive responsibilities but it'll still be present.


I agree with this. I don’t really think he was shown extra defensive attention other than his matchup playing with more intensity. He wasn’t getting trapped, people weren’t flying over screens to contest shots. It even felt like people played him straight up, but he didn’t have the burst to reliably get by his man, and ended up forcing shots at the rim through contact.

The other thing I hear that I don’t think I agree with is that since his defensive load was so high he lost his legs so he couldn’t shoot. If this were the case we would have expected him to shoot decently well in the beginning of games/series and fade towards the end, but we didn’t see that either. Honestly, we probably saw the inverse of that, and he would hit a clutch basket late after missing most of the game. I know that’s a small sample, but I’m not buying that as a main reason.
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1678 » by Matches Malone » Wed Oct 4, 2023 8:11 pm

Sounds like he's about to cry. I'm sorry you're in Boston now, Jrue :(

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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1679 » by emunney » Wed Oct 4, 2023 9:21 pm

Can't believe he said he feels like he's been "exiled to a den of serpents" and he "misses Giannis already" and "knows [the Celtics] will lose". Remarkable candor
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Re: Around The League - Bullock to Houston 

Post#1680 » by emunney » Wed Oct 4, 2023 9:30 pm

Any aspiring writers out there: you always want to start strong, like this guy does in describing the Celtics' excellent off-season.

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