Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[AirP.]

Harden has clawed his way out of every stop hes made recently. Wants to play his game. Doesnt want to bend. That and his defense makes him an unrealistic target in my eyes.

I don't know about that, I think both Butler and Bam are fine giving up shots to someone that's consistent and efficient, one of this duo's strengths is they don't have to score to show their worth. The knocks on Harden is clutch games, you have Butler for that.

Although we know Harden plays lazy man to man defense on the parameter, he's actually a solid low post defender for a guard and would help the offense when switched on a big close to the basket. He's that guy you want to hate, gives you every reason to hate him but also would fit game wise with Miami, now the culture... I'm not so sure about unless you can get Butler, Bam or K.Love to reel him in. Luckily he's on his last year of his contract, you may get a motivated Harden but I'd be weary of paying him after this contract is up, but that's something the FO would have to talk to his teammates and coach about, can they trust him to keep up the effort.

Butler, Bam and a once again #1 scoring option in Harden would be a very good big 3 that fit together.

[Tony15]

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Been out of the loop lately....any reason why we haven't just called Goran?

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[twozeroMM]

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Been out of the loop lately....any reason why we haven't just called Goran?

Although I love Gogi, at this point he is more of a third string PG. We can’t have our PG rotation consistent of two old washed guards.

[AirP.]

If you're good with a video from last summer, here's some pros playing some pickup games against a UCLA squad at the Rico Hines runs. Jaquez Jr has good vision and passing ability.

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[IceColdCubano]

Lowkey I don’t blame Harden for Brooklyn or Philly.

Brooklyn everyone says it was some wild stuff behind the scenes that didn’t involve him at all so he wanted to leave. Philly Morey promised him huge money if he took a discount the prior year to add PJ and now Morey went back in his word. Everyone here would be pissed about that too

Yeah could be one of those situations where Legit the one place you could say he pulled a fast one. The other two places have legit reasons, just makes it look bad now it being the third time.

[DayofMourning]

Harden has clawed his way out of every stop hes made recently. Wants to play his game. Doesnt want to bend. That and his defense makes him an unrealistic target in my eyes.

And he wants to get paid.

Weve been a very charitable team to our players the past several years. Giving guys top dollar for average to below average returns.

[Rapaz]

The less we hear from David Samscum the better.

[IceColdCubano]

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[KingDavid]

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More confirmation on why we didn’t get Beal. This want a “he wanted Phoenix over Miami” thing like it’s been spun by some

The player has the option to keep the no trade clause after the trade. Apparently other teams were interested in Beal but his refusal to lose the no trade clause really limited his market.

^^^Thats why Beal chose Phoenix over Miami. He didn't want to give up that power, so he selected a team that would allow him to keep it and contend.

[jbsays]

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I'm old... what exactly is this stat?

[Rapaz]

There are obstacles, but there are none, but there are so many phukin of them:

Unpalatable no-trade clauses
General tax aversion
Poor cultural fits
Other teams not wanting to deal with us
Not getting along with certain executives
Poor asset management
Wanting to keep powder dry for bigger whales

[KingDavid]

Lowkey I don’t blame Harden for Brooklyn or Philly.

Brooklyn everyone says it was some wild stuff behind the scenes that didn’t involve him at all so he wanted to leave. Philly Morey promised him huge money if he took a discount the prior year to add PJ and now Morey went back in his word. Everyone here would be pissed about that too

Well, yeah. That second apron rule probably has Morey handcuffed now and owners don't want to be anywhere near that line. That's a significant change. However, I believe that kind of promise is illegal in the cba.

[contract]

Harden has clawed his way out of every stop hes made recently. Wants to play his game. Doesnt want to bend. That and his defense makes him an unrealistic target in my eyes.

I don't know about that, I think both Butler and Bam are fine giving up shots to someone that's consistent and efficient, one of this duo's strengths is they don't have to score to show their worth. The knocks on Harden is clutch games, you have Butler for that.

Although we know Harden plays lazy man to man defense on the parameter, he's actually a solid low post defender for a guard and would help the offense when switched on a big close to the basket. He's that guy you want to hate, gives you every reason to hate him but also would fit game wise with Miami, now the culture... I'm not so sure about unless you can get Butler, Bam or K.Love to reel him in. Luckily he's on his last year of his contract, you may get a motivated Harden but I'd be weary of paying him after this contract is up, but that's something the FO would have to talk to his teammates and coach about, can they trust him to keep up the effort.

Butler, Bam and a once again #1 scoring option in Harden would be a very good big 3 that fit together.

You're assuming he'd play first and then demand money. That order may be reversed.

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[MiamiLoyal926]

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We all wanted this to be the direction… so things are trending how we had all hoped!

For this to be trending means Spo believes in Jovic, we are pushing developing our youth, what we saw in summer league and FIBA is believed to be transferable into our system, Spo sees a fit in our system or is tweaking the system to maximize his fit, and ultimately, Jovic will have the opportunity this season to show us his value.

I think we all need a win, and if not getting Dame translates to us keeping our youth and them showing up, then that sting of missing out is minimized.

[AirP.]

Harden has clawed his way out of every stop hes made recently. Wants to play his game. Doesnt want to bend. That and his defense makes him an unrealistic target in my eyes.

I don't know about that, I think both Butler and Bam are fine giving up shots to someone that's consistent and efficient, one of this duo's strengths is they don't have to score to show their worth. The knocks on Harden is clutch games, you have Butler for that.

Although we know Harden plays lazy man to man defense on the parameter, he's actually a solid low post defender for a guard and would help the offense when switched on a big close to the basket. He's that guy you want to hate, gives you every reason to hate him but also would fit game wise with Miami, now the culture... I'm not so sure about unless you can get Butler, Bam or K.Love to reel him in. Luckily he's on his last year of his contract, you may get a motivated Harden but I'd be weary of paying him after this contract is up, but that's something the FO would have to talk to his teammates and coach about, can they trust him to keep up the effort.

Butler, Bam and a once again #1 scoring option in Harden would be a very good big 3 that fit together.

You're assuming he'd play first and then demand money. That order may be reversed.

I would hope that whoever trades for Harden gets to talk to him before the trade happens, both sides talk about what they're looking for and quite possibly the chance for another contract and what both sides think about that.

Right now, you'd probably have to be extremely desperate to even consider giving Harden a solid contract next summer, knowing his history, the only way that can change is if a team has a trial period with him and can get a grasp of what he may be like next season with a contract. I would expect that any future contract will have some clause(s) in them which would let the team have a quick way out of the contract, maybe partial guarantees.

Teams will have to contractually protect themselves if they do business with Harden.

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Been out of the loop lately....any reason why we haven't just called Goran?

Because he's washed.