Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Payne Signed

[Ron Swanson]

Idk Pat felt like a Bud guy. You guys anointing him starter with this coach might be off base.. I doubt he's thr favorite and expect him to have an uphill climb trying to start.

Pat is one of our most consistent players. As of now he should be closing games at the very least, none of the other 2/3 guards are better than he is.

His role this year will be more Giannis gym buddy than actual playing time imo... Beas, M.B. and AJJ will get the 1st cracks and every opportunity .. they will likely have to fail before Pat gets rotation but we'll see

Yeah this just ain't happening. Pat is a lock Top-8 rotation guy. There'll be plenty of load-managing and the young guys will get their minutes, but Pat's a guaranteed playoff rotation spot unless we make a major trade or he just spontaneously looks washed.

[soxperry]

Pat is one of our most consistent players. As of now he should be closing games at the very least, none of the other 2/3 guards are better than he is.

His role this year will be more Giannis gym buddy than actual playing time imo... Beas, M.B. and AJJ will get the 1st cracks and every opportunity .. they will likely have to fail before Pat gets rotation but we'll see

Yeah this just ain't happening. Pat is a lock Top-8 rotation guy. There'll be plenty of load-managing and the young guys will get their minutes, but Pat's a guaranteed playoff rotation spot unless we make a major trade or he just spontaneously looks washed.

I forget when this was, but there was a point maybe last year or the year before where Pat looked absolutely awesome. He had added consistent finishing ability to his drives and he was knocking down enough shots. then he got hurt and things have been kind of up and down. if he can come back and find that version of himself, there's nothing wrong with him starting at SG. i'd prefer to see him attack closeouts and get the ball moving or make a play rather than hoisting an above the break 3, though.

[Brewhoopfan]

Agreed that the Bucks don't need the fifth starter to score. But they do need him to at least be a threat to score in the halfcourt. AJJ is such a non-threat as a scorer that it practically becomes a 4-on-5 when he's out there, which significantly reduces the impact of the other four. I'm sure there's a way to design an offense that accentuates his strengths, but is the coaching staff really going to prioritize his effectiveness? I wouldn't.

Seems like hyperbole to imply he's a completely useless on offense. He's a bad outside shooter but he's a freak athlete, good and willing passer, and very high IQ player.

Yeah, if they just leave him wide open, he can attack the rim and either finish or make the right pass. He’s not going to go Bledsoe out there.

Yes and some seem to forget there is a new sheriff in town on the bench and on the court. This year's Bucks team won't be standing around watching Giannis run over people.

[tedbrogen]

Pat was never right last year after his injury at the start of the season.

But let’s not forget he was in closing lineups in the finals and hit some absolute massive shots during the finals. He’s consistently been one of the few Bucks that didn’t wilt under the bright lights in the playoffs. Unless last years injury sapped him of some of his athleticism and he truly falls off a cliff, he’s a top 8 rotation guy when it matters. If you’re going to war in the playoffs, you want a guy like Pat out there.

[yb90]

Pat started his career with Dame and Scott's so there maybe some familiarity that gets him on the floor.

[blazza18]

Pat has such a strange playoff reputation. His few good shooting nights really stand out because he was like the only person who shot the ball but the man also has a ton of stinkers too. He really benefits from being a good dude.

[AussieBuck]

Pat started his career with Dame and Scott's so there maybe some familiarity that gets him on the floor.

Portland also didn't want to keep him on a minimum contract.

[H2tObes]

Pats a good shooter in the playoffs, especially the last 3 seasons. Numbers back it up and eye test. I trust Pat more than Bobby if that means anything

[tedbrogen]

Pat is a career 36% on threes at 3.3 attempts per game during the regular season.

Playoff Pat is 39% on threes on 4 attempts per game as a Buck in playoff games.

He was 44% in the finals on nearly 6 attempts per game.

Playoff Pat is a real thing.

[tedbrogen]

Pats a good shooter in the playoffs, especially the last 3 seasons. Numbers back it up and eye test. I trust Pat more than Bobby if that means anything

Pat is also harder to play off the floor in the playoffs because he is somehow better defensively in the post than Bobby, can stay in front of most guards/wings in ISO most of the time (he struggles to get over screens though), and he is quick enough to fly around for rotations (although he does fly by on closeouts sometimes but has gotten better at not doing that as much).

I’d argue in the latter stages of a playoff game, Pat is easily a better stretch four than Bobby.

[-Jragon-]

Pre Jrue Holiday the Milwaukee Bucks had a defensive rating of 102.9 in 2019-20.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/bucks-defensive-rating-2020

With Jrue Holiday the Milwaukee Bucks had a defensive rating of 111.4 in 2020-21.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/bucks-defensive-rating-2021

Bucks will be just fine defensively.

Are you a new guy? Quiz: do you know who our starting PG was before Jrue and what his defensive presence was?

[-Jragon-]

Pat started his career with Dame and Scott's so there maybe some familiarity that gets him on the floor.

Good point, but also Dame is already touting Marjon unprovoked... guessing Marjon took some jump up and surpassed Pat finally.

[LuessiT]

Jury is still out on AJJ, but there are very. very few players you don't need to close out at all on the perimeter in the NBA. Even Giannis faces closeouts pulling up because never guarding the jumper at all will lead to high percentages regardless of his poor shooting ability.

The questions will be if AJJ can make shots if there is no closeout or drive on soft closeouts due to his athletic ability. If he can both plus cut, he'll be a good enough offensive player.

[HKPackFan]

Pats a good shooter in the playoffs, especially the last 3 seasons. Numbers back it up and eye test. I trust Pat more than Bobby if that means anything

Pat is also harder to play off the floor in the playoffs because he is somehow better defensively in the post than Bobby, can stay in front of most guards/wings in ISO most of the time (he struggles to get over screens though), and he is quick enough to fly around for rotations (although he does fly by on closeouts sometimes but has gotten better at not doing that as much).

I’d argue in the latter stages of a playoff game, Pat is easily a better stretch four than Bobby.

It's been a few years but I recall Pat just killing the Celtics the previous series (not the latest) in addition to some big boy shots in the finals run.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I kind of like Livingston as a more athletic and bigger Sterling Brown but I can’t fault anyone for thinking he is the odd man out.


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And he’s 19

Brown could shoot a bit, primary difference. Let's just say the Chris Livingston hitch should tell you there's a long way to go in that department.

Can you explain what you mean here? I don't know why this was bugging me. Not saying he's a good shooter or has the purest form but I went through any clips of him shooting threes I could find and I don't see anything resembling a "hitch" in his shot.

[giannis and 1]

Pre Jrue Holiday the Milwaukee Bucks had a defensive rating of 102.9 in 2019-20.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/bucks-defensive-rating-2020

With Jrue Holiday the Milwaukee Bucks had a defensive rating of 111.4 in 2020-21.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/bucks-defensive-rating-2021

Bucks will be just fine defensively.

19-20 Bucks has Bled, DDV, Matthews guarding the perimeter.

[midranger]

And he’s 19

Brown could shoot a bit, primary difference. Let's just say the Chris Livingston hitch should tell you there's a long way to go in that department.

Can you explain what you mean here? I don't why this was bugging me. Not saying he's a good shooter or has the purest form but I went through any clips of him shooting threes I could find and I don't see anything resembling a "hitch" in his shot.

He meant his severe allergy to shell fish.

[Ron Swanson]

Bolden has been a guy we've had in camp a couple years now. Still an intriguing player if he can somehow put it all together. 25-years old, 6'10, 240 lbs with a 7'4 wingspan. Looks like he's even expanded his shooting range a bit (he did shoot 39% from the G-league 3PT line in 2022). Didn't realize he played for Indonesia in the *playing against plumbers alert* FIBA qualifiers and put up a 40-spot:

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I'd be fine with him taking Wiggington's two-way spot.

[skones]

And he’s 19

Brown could shoot a bit, primary difference. Let's just say the Chris Livingston hitch should tell you there's a long way to go in that department.

Can you explain what you mean here? I don't why this was bugging me. Not saying he's a good shooter or has the purest form but I went through any clips of him shooting threes I could find and I don't see anything resembling a "hitch" in his shot.

This is probably one of those things where someone may call it a hitch and some may not. When he gets to his set point, there's a tiny pause and that's largely what I'm referring to. To me, it's not fluid and seems like it's two separate motions between him bringing the ball central and a tiny dip, and then driving up through his legs.

[JayMKE]

I mean Wigginton is a better G-League player by a fair margin, he'd probably look amazing playing against Kazakhstan too. I'm with you not getting why we're keeping Wigginton on a two way but I wouldn't use it on a 25 year old big man who has played 32 minutes of NBA basketball.