Harden may be coming here?

[wco81]

Well if Harden pulls the same thing that got him shipped out of Houston, Morey may only have offers for pennies on the dollar.

[esqtvd]

Yeah, don't want to lose those 8 points and 3 rebounds from Terrance Mann. The Clippers are not a title team without those 3 extra rebounds a game.

Shhhhhhhh. Terance Mann is the future.

[MartinToVaught]

Yeah, don't want to lose those 8 points and 3 rebounds from Terrance Mann. The Clippers are not a title team without those 3 extra rebounds a game.

8 points and 3 rebounds is better than Harden can do in an elimination game. Never mind the fact that Mann actually plays defense, unlike Harden, and isn't a known quitter and awful teammate, also unlike Harden.

[Scoundreldays]

Yeah don't like this Harden has a history of quitting and there 0 guarantee he comes back next year. He will ask for a trade the second Kawhi and PG get hurt. Dude also plays minimal defense and 0 off ball movement.

[wco81]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273179/Clippers-Going-To-Great-Lengths-In-Attempt-To-Trade-For-James-Harden


Makes no sense to give away a lot of assets for a 1-year rental so Ballmer going to give Harden a big extension?

On top of the big extensions that PG and KL are eligible for this fall or next season?

[ejftw]

Weird how after Woj says Clippers won't budge, Shams says they are doing all they can.

[esqtvd]

Weird how after Woj says Clippers won't budge, Shams says they are doing all they can.

I follow this from the Philly end too because that's my hometown.

The Clippers are in communication with multiple teams about how to move pick swaps for additional draft capital in hopes of trading for Harden.

The Clippers offered the Sixers an unprotected first-round pick, a pick swap and matching salaries for Harden, sources tell The Athletic.

The Sixers are seeking Terance Mann and multiple first round picks from the Clippers in order to part with Harden.

Even though I don't worship at the Terance Mann altar--or Harden's either--the Clippers have already offered plenty enough. Morey will have to give in. Harden will do everything his contract requires and still collect his $35M. GFY, Daryl. You are a liar and I want to see you suffer.


Harden doesn't REALLY want to play for the Clippers, lol. Let's get that part straight. If he did, he'd have opted out of the $35M and come to play here for peanuts like Russ did.

[rzzzzz]

He thought Houston would be perfect. His preferred stomping grounds (or clubbing environment) plus getting to be #1 gunning for more scoring titles while getting the big contract. So sure it was in the bag that he allowed his agent to lay that out as a bargaining chip just in case the Philly situation paid off big last year. Crushed when the new coach nixed the deal with the Fred acquisition. By then even Morey, his #1 fan, had to restrain himself and make James earn his next contract this year.

James is correct in thinking that LAC is actually his 2nd best landing spot. Hometown is surely filled with a rich enough club scene to be entertaining. And a very talented starting line-up, at least when healthy, that would allow him to dominate the rock and still have a good punchers chance to contend for a ring. His confidence that he would make the all-star team and earn a contract is not totally slam dunk, but not far fetched either. The only trouble is that #1 fan Morey paid a lot for him, and while not so secretly hoping that James would actually stay the year they team is now paying him for, will grudgingly let him fly only if he gets a return that Embiid could recognize as righteous acquisition for a legitimate title run. Which LAC does not have on their roster outside of their fragile, but fabled stars, who’d they need to take that legitimate though fragile title shot with.

Portland wants 2 picks for Brogdon, who would not be a bad move for the Clippers. But toss in Mann and you get the HOF point guard who can get you to the playoffs while your other stars get in shape for a last glorious run. Meanwhile, Embiid, who is definitely Philly’s #1, which rubs James the wrong way despite knowing better, gets a 6th man and a 7th man while giving Nick the chance to do some magic. (Though I doubt this works out, mainly cause Morey does love James beyond reason.)

[esqtvd]

He thought Houston would be perfect. His preferred stomping grounds (or clubbing environment) plus getting to be #1 gunning for more scoring titles while getting the big contract. So sure it was in the bag that he allowed his agent to lay that out as a bargaining chip just in case the Philly situation paid off big last year. Crushed when the new coach nixed the deal with the Fred acquisition. By then even Morey, his #1 fan, had to restrain himself and make James earn his next contract this year.

James is correct in thinking that LAC is actually his 2nd best landing spot. Hometown is surely filled with a rich enough club scene to be entertaining. And a very talented starting line-up, at least when healthy, that would allow him to dominate the rock and still have a good punchers chance to contend for a ring. His confidence that he would make the all-star team and earn a contract is not totally slam dunk, but not far fetched either. The only trouble is that #1 fan Morey paid a lot for him, and while not so secretly hoping that James would actually stay the year they team is now paying him for, will grudgingly let him fly only if he gets a return that Embiid could recognize as righteous acquisition for a legitimate title run. Which LAC does not have on their roster outside of their fragile, but fabled stars, who’d they need to take that legitimate though fragile title shot with.

Portland wants 2 picks for Brogdon, who would not be a bad move for the Clippers. But toss in Mann and you get the HOF point guard who can get you to the playoffs while your other stars get in shape for a last glorious run. Meanwhile, Embiid, who is definitely Philly’s #1, which rubs James the wrong way despite knowing better, gets a 6th man and a 7th man while giving Nick the chance to do some magic. (Though I doubt this works out, mainly cause Morey does love James beyond reason.)

What we're seeing is that both Powell and RoCo have ZERO trade value in the eyes of the league. It seemed like a brilliant trade at the time, but Portland pawned their overpaid garbage off on us.



I'll confess I thought it was a steal at the time, too. But it put the Clippers way over the cap, and when you add in Mook, we're STILL screwed. The 3 of them are 47 million dollars worth of trash.

Mook and RoCo are expiring, but Powell is signed for 2 MORE years after this one @ $20M a year. Forget Mook and his $17M--POWELL is the biggest piece of trash we got.

[TucsonClip]

He thought Houston would be perfect. His preferred stomping grounds (or clubbing environment) plus getting to be #1 gunning for more scoring titles while getting the big contract. So sure it was in the bag that he allowed his agent to lay that out as a bargaining chip just in case the Philly situation paid off big last year. Crushed when the new coach nixed the deal with the Fred acquisition. By then even Morey, his #1 fan, had to restrain himself and make James earn his next contract this year.

James is correct in thinking that LAC is actually his 2nd best landing spot. Hometown is surely filled with a rich enough club scene to be entertaining. And a very talented starting line-up, at least when healthy, that would allow him to dominate the rock and still have a good punchers chance to contend for a ring. His confidence that he would make the all-star team and earn a contract is not totally slam dunk, but not far fetched either. The only trouble is that #1 fan Morey paid a lot for him, and while not so secretly hoping that James would actually stay the year they team is now paying him for, will grudgingly let him fly only if he gets a return that Embiid could recognize as righteous acquisition for a legitimate title run. Which LAC does not have on their roster outside of their fragile, but fabled stars, who’d they need to take that legitimate though fragile title shot with.

Portland wants 2 picks for Brogdon, who would not be a bad move for the Clippers. But toss in Mann and you get the HOF point guard who can get you to the playoffs while your other stars get in shape for a last glorious run. Meanwhile, Embiid, who is definitely Philly’s #1, which rubs James the wrong way despite knowing better, gets a 6th man and a 7th man while giving Nick the chance to do some magic. (Though I doubt this works out, mainly cause Morey does love James beyond reason.)

What we're seeing is that both Powell and RoCo have ZERO trade value in the eyes of the league. It seemed like a brilliant trade at the time, but Portland pawned their overpaid garbage off on us.



I'll confess I thought it was a steal at the time, too. But it put the Clippers way over the cap, and when you add in Mook, we're STILL screwed. The 3 of them are 47 million dollars worth of trash.

Mook and RoCo are expiring, but Powell is signed for 2 MORE years after this one @ $20M a year. Forget Mook and his $17M--POWELL is the biggest piece of trash we got.

Norm has to perform better defensively (which he can do) and on the glass, but dude put up 17 ppg, shot 40% from 3, ++ league avg fg%, behind only Plumlee, Zu and Coffee in FTr, above league average on efg%.

He's one of the only dudes on the team who can get downhill to the rim. He's a guy we shouldn't be trying to move.

[Roscoe Sheed]

He thought Houston would be perfect. His preferred stomping grounds (or clubbing environment) plus getting to be #1 gunning for more scoring titles while getting the big contract. So sure it was in the bag that he allowed his agent to lay that out as a bargaining chip just in case the Philly situation paid off big last year. Crushed when the new coach nixed the deal with the Fred acquisition. By then even Morey, his #1 fan, had to restrain himself and make James earn his next contract this year.

James is correct in thinking that LAC is actually his 2nd best landing spot. Hometown is surely filled with a rich enough club scene to be entertaining. And a very talented starting line-up, at least when healthy, that would allow him to dominate the rock and still have a good punchers chance to contend for a ring. His confidence that he would make the all-star team and earn a contract is not totally slam dunk, but not far fetched either. The only trouble is that #1 fan Morey paid a lot for him, and while not so secretly hoping that James would actually stay the year they team is now paying him for, will grudgingly let him fly only if he gets a return that Embiid could recognize as righteous acquisition for a legitimate title run. Which LAC does not have on their roster outside of their fragile, but fabled stars, who’d they need to take that legitimate though fragile title shot with.

Portland wants 2 picks for Brogdon, who would not be a bad move for the Clippers. But toss in Mann and you get the HOF point guard who can get you to the playoffs while your other stars get in shape for a last glorious run. Meanwhile, Embiid, who is definitely Philly’s #1, which rubs James the wrong way despite knowing better, gets a 6th man and a 7th man while giving Nick the chance to do some magic. (Though I doubt this works out, mainly cause Morey does love James beyond reason.)

What we're seeing is that both Powell and RoCo have ZERO trade value in the eyes of the league. It seemed like a brilliant trade at the time, but Portland pawned their overpaid garbage off on us.



I'll confess I thought it was a steal at the time, too. But it put the Clippers way over the cap, and when you add in Mook, we're STILL screwed. The 3 of them are 47 million dollars worth of trash.

Mook and RoCo are expiring, but Powell is signed for 2 MORE years after this one @ $20M a year. Forget Mook and his $17M--POWELL is the biggest piece of trash we got.

Norm has to perform better defensively (which he can do) and on the glass, but dude put up 17 ppg, shot 40% from 3, ++ league avg fg%, behind only Plumlee, Zu and Coffee in FTr, above league average on efg%.

He's one of the only dudes on the team who can get downhill to the rim. He's a guy we shouldn't be trying to move.

I completely agree- after starting slow, I was very impressed with Powell last season. He has very few flaws offensively. I agree, he needs to improve on defense, but I think he is an overall benefit to the team- one of the best 6th men in the NBA

[Roscoe Sheed]

He thought Houston would be perfect. His preferred stomping grounds (or clubbing environment) plus getting to be #1 gunning for more scoring titles while getting the big contract. So sure it was in the bag that he allowed his agent to lay that out as a bargaining chip just in case the Philly situation paid off big last year. Crushed when the new coach nixed the deal with the Fred acquisition. By then even Morey, his #1 fan, had to restrain himself and make James earn his next contract this year.

James is correct in thinking that LAC is actually his 2nd best landing spot. Hometown is surely filled with a rich enough club scene to be entertaining. And a very talented starting line-up, at least when healthy, that would allow him to dominate the rock and still have a good punchers chance to contend for a ring. His confidence that he would make the all-star team and earn a contract is not totally slam dunk, but not far fetched either. The only trouble is that #1 fan Morey paid a lot for him, and while not so secretly hoping that James would actually stay the year they team is now paying him for, will grudgingly let him fly only if he gets a return that Embiid could recognize as righteous acquisition for a legitimate title run. Which LAC does not have on their roster outside of their fragile, but fabled stars, who’d they need to take that legitimate though fragile title shot with.

Portland wants 2 picks for Brogdon, who would not be a bad move for the Clippers. But toss in Mann and you get the HOF point guard who can get you to the playoffs while your other stars get in shape for a last glorious run. Meanwhile, Embiid, who is definitely Philly’s #1, which rubs James the wrong way despite knowing better, gets a 6th man and a 7th man while giving Nick the chance to do some magic. (Though I doubt this works out, mainly cause Morey does love James beyond reason.)

What we're seeing is that both Powell and RoCo have ZERO trade value in the eyes of the league. It seemed like a brilliant trade at the time, but Portland pawned their overpaid garbage off on us.



I'll confess I thought it was a steal at the time, too. But it put the Clippers way over the cap, and when you add in Mook, we're STILL screwed. The 3 of them are 47 million dollars worth of trash.

Mook and RoCo are expiring, but Powell is signed for 2 MORE years after this one @ $20M a year. Forget Mook and his $17M--POWELL is the biggest piece of trash we got.

Powell for $20 mill a year is a fair deal in my opinion. He is a very well rounded offensive player and is capable of playing solid defense- I'm hoping he improves in that area this season

[esqtvd]

He thought Houston would be perfect. His preferred stomping grounds (or clubbing environment) plus getting to be #1 gunning for more scoring titles while getting the big contract. So sure it was in the bag that he allowed his agent to lay that out as a bargaining chip just in case the Philly situation paid off big last year. Crushed when the new coach nixed the deal with the Fred acquisition. By then even Morey, his #1 fan, had to restrain himself and make James earn his next contract this year.

James is correct in thinking that LAC is actually his 2nd best landing spot. Hometown is surely filled with a rich enough club scene to be entertaining. And a very talented starting line-up, at least when healthy, that would allow him to dominate the rock and still have a good punchers chance to contend for a ring. His confidence that he would make the all-star team and earn a contract is not totally slam dunk, but not far fetched either. The only trouble is that #1 fan Morey paid a lot for him, and while not so secretly hoping that James would actually stay the year they team is now paying him for, will grudgingly let him fly only if he gets a return that Embiid could recognize as righteous acquisition for a legitimate title run. Which LAC does not have on their roster outside of their fragile, but fabled stars, who’d they need to take that legitimate though fragile title shot with.

Portland wants 2 picks for Brogdon, who would not be a bad move for the Clippers. But toss in Mann and you get the HOF point guard who can get you to the playoffs while your other stars get in shape for a last glorious run. Meanwhile, Embiid, who is definitely Philly’s #1, which rubs James the wrong way despite knowing better, gets a 6th man and a 7th man while giving Nick the chance to do some magic. (Though I doubt this works out, mainly cause Morey does love James beyond reason.)

What we're seeing is that both Powell and RoCo have ZERO trade value in the eyes of the league. It seemed like a brilliant trade at the time, but Portland pawned their overpaid garbage off on us.



I'll confess I thought it was a steal at the time, too. But it put the Clippers way over the cap, and when you add in Mook, we're STILL screwed. The 3 of them are 47 million dollars worth of trash.

Mook and RoCo are expiring, but Powell is signed for 2 MORE years after this one @ $20M a year. Forget Mook and his $17M--POWELL is the biggest piece of trash we got.

Powell for $20 mill a year is a fair deal in my opinion. He is a very well rounded offensive player and is capable of playing solid defense- I'm hoping he improves in that area this season

Powell = worst plus/minus by far AFTER the All-Star break [minus-3.3] except Coffey and the G-Leaguers
It's clear he has no trade value

[nxt worst--Covington @ minus-2.9]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Per100Possessions&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

[Roscoe Sheed]

What we're seeing is that both Powell and RoCo have ZERO trade value in the eyes of the league. It seemed like a brilliant trade at the time, but Portland pawned their overpaid garbage off on us.



I'll confess I thought it was a steal at the time, too. But it put the Clippers way over the cap, and when you add in Mook, we're STILL screwed. The 3 of them are 47 million dollars worth of trash.

Mook and RoCo are expiring, but Powell is signed for 2 MORE years after this one @ $20M a year. Forget Mook and his $17M--POWELL is the biggest piece of trash we got.

Powell for $20 mill a year is a fair deal in my opinion. He is a very well rounded offensive player and is capable of playing solid defense- I'm hoping he improves in that area this season

Powell = worst plus/minus by far AFTER the All-Star break [minus-3.3] except Coffey and the G-Leaguers
It's clear he has no trade value

[nxt worst--Covington @ minus-2.9]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Per100Possessions&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

Plus/minus cannot be blamed on one player- Powell is very skilled on offense and is capable of playing better defense. I wouldn’t be too upset if they traded him for Harden, but he is a benefit to the team

[esqtvd]

He thought Houston would be perfect. His preferred stomping grounds (or clubbing environment) plus getting to be #1 gunning for more scoring titles while getting the big contract. So sure it was in the bag that he allowed his agent to lay that out as a bargaining chip just in case the Philly situation paid off big last year. Crushed when the new coach nixed the deal with the Fred acquisition. By then even Morey, his #1 fan, had to restrain himself and make James earn his next contract this year.

James is correct in thinking that LAC is actually his 2nd best landing spot. Hometown is surely filled with a rich enough club scene to be entertaining. And a very talented starting line-up, at least when healthy, that would allow him to dominate the rock and still have a good punchers chance to contend for a ring. His confidence that he would make the all-star team and earn a contract is not totally slam dunk, but not far fetched either. The only trouble is that #1 fan Morey paid a lot for him, and while not so secretly hoping that James would actually stay the year they team is now paying him for, will grudgingly let him fly only if he gets a return that Embiid could recognize as righteous acquisition for a legitimate title run. Which LAC does not have on their roster outside of their fragile, but fabled stars, who’d they need to take that legitimate though fragile title shot with.

Portland wants 2 picks for Brogdon, who would not be a bad move for the Clippers. But toss in Mann and you get the HOF point guard who can get you to the playoffs while your other stars get in shape for a last glorious run. Meanwhile, Embiid, who is definitely Philly’s #1, which rubs James the wrong way despite knowing better, gets a 6th man and a 7th man while giving Nick the chance to do some magic. (Though I doubt this works out, mainly cause Morey does love James beyond reason.)

What we're seeing is that both Powell and RoCo have ZERO trade value in the eyes of the league. It seemed like a brilliant trade at the time, but Portland pawned their overpaid garbage off on us.



I'll confess I thought it was a steal at the time, too. But it put the Clippers way over the cap, and when you add in Mook, we're STILL screwed. The 3 of them are 47 million dollars worth of trash.

Mook and RoCo are expiring, but Powell is signed for 2 MORE years after this one @ $20M a year. Forget Mook and his $17M--POWELL is the biggest piece of trash we got.

Norm has to perform better defensively (which he can do) and on the glass, but dude put up 17 ppg, shot 40% from 3, ++ league avg fg%, behind only Plumlee, Zu and Coffee in FTr, above league average on efg%.

He's one of the only dudes on the team who can get downhill to the rim. He's a guy we shouldn't be trying to move.

Powell shot 28.7% from 3 after the All-Star break and had the worst plus/minus [except for Wall] both after the break and before it. With 3 YEARS left on his contract, we are clearly stuck with him or we could have used him as bait to dump Mook.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Per100Possessions&SeasonSegment=Pre%20All-Star&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

I didn't think he looked that bad but the numbers don't lie. One can make excuses or attack the metric, but when you're THE WORST, the buck stops there.

[esqtvd]

Powell for $20 mill a year is a fair deal in my opinion. He is a very well rounded offensive player and is capable of playing solid defense- I'm hoping he improves in that area this season

Powell = worst plus/minus by far AFTER the All-Star break [minus-3.3] except Coffey and the G-Leaguers
It's clear he has no trade value

[nxt worst--Covington @ minus-2.9]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Per100Possessions&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

Plus/minus cannot be blamed on one player- Powell is very skilled on offense and is capable of playing better defense. I wouldn’t be too upset if they traded him for Harden, but he is a benefit to the team

When you're the worst in plus/minus, there's no one left to blame it on. And it seems obvious that the Sixers are not excited about acquiring Powell--and this explains why. His plus/minus was just as bad after the AS break as it was before. As horrible as he was that first month, he really didn't get much better. And his 28.9% from 3 after the break is disastrous for a SG who doesn't D up. And 1.8 apg/1.7 TO per game? OUCH.

Unplayable, and being on the wrong side of 30 with 3 years and almost $60M left on his contract, nearly untradeable. I wouldn't want him, and it looks like nobody else does either. Look, I'm not down on Norman, but a deeper dive into his numbers tells a sad story.

[ejftw]

Norm is who he is, a microwave off the bench who also uses to have above average defense. We saw he can still put together a solid stretch in the playoffs, not sure on advanced numbers, but, unfortunately, at this point in his career, he's either offense or defense, can't do both, and he, like most, chose the former.

Think the FO would have little to no issues dealing him for an expiring and a mid second, if needed.

I still think the Harden deal, if it comes to fruition, will be with Mann, 28 First (protected something peculiar like 2&3), a 27 swap and expiring JAGs.

[Roscoe Sheed]

What we're seeing is that both Powell and RoCo have ZERO trade value in the eyes of the league. It seemed like a brilliant trade at the time, but Portland pawned their overpaid garbage off on us.



I'll confess I thought it was a steal at the time, too. But it put the Clippers way over the cap, and when you add in Mook, we're STILL screwed. The 3 of them are 47 million dollars worth of trash.

Mook and RoCo are expiring, but Powell is signed for 2 MORE years after this one @ $20M a year. Forget Mook and his $17M--POWELL is the biggest piece of trash we got.

Norm has to perform better defensively (which he can do) and on the glass, but dude put up 17 ppg, shot 40% from 3, ++ league avg fg%, behind only Plumlee, Zu and Coffee in FTr, above league average on efg%.

He's one of the only dudes on the team who can get downhill to the rim. He's a guy we shouldn't be trying to move.

Powell shot 28.7% from 3 after the All-Star break and had the worst plus/minus [except for Wall] both after the break and before it. With 3 YEARS left on his contract, we are clearly stuck with him or we could have used him as bait to dump Mook.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Per100Possessions&SeasonSegment=Pre%20All-Star&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

I didn't think he looked that bad but the numbers don't lie. One can make excuses or attack the metric, but when you're THE WORST, the buck stops there.

That 3 point percentage seems off in some way- he couldn’t make a 3 the first 10 games of the season and also after the all star break yet shot 40 percent overall for the season? Did he get red hot in the middle of the season?

Small sample size after asb because he separated his shoulder?

[esqtvd]

Norm is who he is, a microwave off the bench who also uses to have above average defense. We saw he can still put together a solid stretch in the playoffs, not sure on advanced numbers, but, unfortunately, at this point in his career, he's either offense or defense, can't do both, and he, like most, chose the former.

Think the FO would have little to no issues dealing him for an expiring and a mid second, if needed.

I still think the Harden deal, if it comes to fruition, will be with Mann, 28 First (protected something peculiar like 2&3), a 27 swap and expiring JAGs.

Powell's meh measurables [including his age and contract] certainly explain why Morey is insisting on Mann. Something...ANYTHING. RoCo's value seems nil too. Add in Coffey and the trade works without inflicting Mook on the Sixers, but that's a helluva lot of dreck. A FRP 5 years from now is not nearly enough to ease the pain. Hell, Morey gave up 2 FRPs in the Simmons-Harden trade.

[esqtvd]

Norm has to perform better defensively (which he can do) and on the glass, but dude put up 17 ppg, shot 40% from 3, ++ league avg fg%, behind only Plumlee, Zu and Coffee in FTr, above league average on efg%.

He's one of the only dudes on the team who can get downhill to the rim. He's a guy we shouldn't be trying to move.

Powell shot 28.7% from 3 after the All-Star break and had the worst plus/minus [except for Wall] both after the break and before it. With 3 YEARS left on his contract, we are clearly stuck with him or we could have used him as bait to dump Mook.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Per100Possessions&SeasonSegment=Pre%20All-Star&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

I didn't think he looked that bad but the numbers don't lie. One can make excuses or attack the metric, but when you're THE WORST, the buck stops there.

That 3 point percentage seems off in some way- he couldn’t make a 3 the first 10 games of the season and also after the all star break yet shot 40 percent overall for the season? Did he get red hot in the middle of the season?

Small sample size after asb because he separated his shoulder?

Yes, the 3-pt % at the end of the season was an anomaly. He's a lifetime 40% from 3, but he's not really a volume shooter from out there anyway. It's the whole picture that suggests he's more a trade liability than an asset, that his decline will continue rather than reverse.