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Mikistan wrote:The past, while being a good input most of the time, is not always a great indicator of what will occur in the future
Mikistan wrote:tsherkin wrote:WaltFrazier wrote:You're late to the party in another way. Google who was the best player and leader on the FIBA tournament championship team this summer
I couldn't possibly care less about FIBA, nor do I in any way expect that to translate to the NBA. Schroder a decade of NBA ball behind him, and his performance in the NBA is all that matters to the Raptors. He's gonna be another of this below-average-efficiency guys who can defend that Masai has been accruing and that's going to be a problem. I said this elsewhere, but we were the 3rd-worst team in the league at 2FG% and 3FG% (and thus also at eFG%) last year. We were technically ranked 11th in ORTG, but that's basically due to offensive rebounding and avoiding turnovers. Those are good things, but our guys suck at making shots and at scoring efficiently, and Schroder isn't going to help with that. He's actually WORSE in that regard than FVV, typically.
The past, while being a good input most of the time, is not always a great indicator of what will occur in the future
Clay Davis wrote:COMPOSED ONLY OF THE COOLEST WOMEN AND THE HOTTEST GUYS, THE TORONTO RAPTORS REALGM BOARD HAS LONG BEEN KNOWN FOR ITS HIGH-QUALITY DISCUSSION, PASSIONATE LOYALTY, TEMPERATE CELEBRATIONS OF VICTORY, AND GRACE IN DEFEAT.
Reeko wrote:Doesn't matter to me either way. No sense in comparing him to Fred because I don't think he's going to start. Ask is he an upgrade over Flynn and Banton last season? If the answer is yes, then we're doing well.
Reeko wrote:Mikistan wrote:tsherkin wrote:
I couldn't possibly care less about FIBA, nor do I in any way expect that to translate to the NBA. Schroder a decade of NBA ball behind him, and his performance in the NBA is all that matters to the Raptors. He's gonna be another of this below-average-efficiency guys who can defend that Masai has been accruing and that's going to be a problem. I said this elsewhere, but we were the 3rd-worst team in the league at 2FG% and 3FG% (and thus also at eFG%) last year. We were technically ranked 11th in ORTG, but that's basically due to offensive rebounding and avoiding turnovers. Those are good things, but our guys suck at making shots and at scoring efficiently, and Schroder isn't going to help with that. He's actually WORSE in that regard than FVV, typically.
The past, while being a good input most of the time, is not always a great indicator of what will occur in the future
So what are we saying? Career year for Schroder?
Doesn't matter to me either way. No sense in comparing him to Fred because I don't think he's going to start. Ask is he an upgrade over Flynn and Banton last season? If the answer is yes, then we're doing well.
tsherkin wrote:Reeko wrote:Doesn't matter to me either way. No sense in comparing him to Fred because I don't think he's going to start. Ask is he an upgrade over Flynn and Banton last season? If the answer is yes, then we're doing well.
If Schroder doesn't start, I'm concerned for us, because unless I'm missing another acquisition, we've got exactly jack all in the backcourt right now.
Clay Davis wrote:COMPOSED ONLY OF THE COOLEST WOMEN AND THE HOTTEST GUYS, THE TORONTO RAPTORS REALGM BOARD HAS LONG BEEN KNOWN FOR ITS HIGH-QUALITY DISCUSSION, PASSIONATE LOYALTY, TEMPERATE CELEBRATIONS OF VICTORY, AND GRACE IN DEFEAT.
Mikistan wrote: whats wrong with thinking a player like Schroeder can't improve after bouncing around NBA teams, just playing with Lebron, and stepping into the spotlight with his national team and stepping up to the challenge. You might not care about FIBA, and can shout it from the rooftops all you want, it just shows your ignorance when it comes to basketball lowkey
Reeko wrote:I'm more than comfortable starting out the season with Pascal and Scottie running the team. Defensively, just let Gary and OG guard the backcourt if you really don't think that Scottie can contain either guard.
tsherkin wrote:Kinger95 wrote:Dude has absolutely zero value on the perimeter. Literally can’t shoot better that 33% from 3 wide open. And that translates to if you can shoot Better than 49% from 2 you shouldn’t be shooting 3’s. He needs to watch a ton of Chris Webber , the kings were an absolute powerhouse with him back in the day and the only reason they didn’t win multiple championships was because of shaq and Kobe. I don’t understand why he can’t play the 4 and run a ton of stuff through him at the elbow and in the blocks
No, no he really doesn't need to watch any Chris Webber. He needs to completely ignore Chris Webber, because Webber shot way too much and used all the wrong types of scoring possessions. And also had a jumper.
Maybe he can watch Golden State Webber, but that's it. Not Kings Webber.
WaltFrazier wrote:Webber was a great passer, and so was Divac. And that Kings offense was pretty to watch. Scottie and Poeltl have that kind of passing vision and ability
tsherkin wrote:Reeko wrote:Doesn't matter to me either way. No sense in comparing him to Fred because I don't think he's going to start. Ask is he an upgrade over Flynn and Banton last season? If the answer is yes, then we're doing well.
If Schroder doesn't start, I'm concerned for us, because unless I'm missing another acquisition, we've got exactly jack all in the backcourt right now.
ForeverTFC wrote:tsherkin wrote:Reeko wrote:Doesn't matter to me either way. No sense in comparing him to Fred because I don't think he's going to start. Ask is he an upgrade over Flynn and Banton last season? If the answer is yes, then we're doing well.
If Schroder doesn't start, I'm concerned for us, because unless I'm missing another acquisition, we've got exactly jack all in the backcourt right now.
Yup. I’ve been on this train all off-season. Folks are expecting way too much from a known commodity yet somehow won’t accept that he’s our best option to start at the 1.
I think he’ll start if not immediately then by game 15, and I think a lot of people will be indifferent to him by the end of the year (and a few will hate his guts based on how his career has played out to date outside of LA regarding his blinders on offense)
SkywalkerAC wrote:And I’m still betting it’ll be Dennis coming off the bench. Would be very surprised if that’s not the case coming out of training camp. Very surprised.
HiJiNX wrote:
Look at that knee bend, the low dribble…
DreamTeam09 wrote:HiJiNX wrote:
Look at that knee bend, the low dribble…
I'm confused, why on earth wouldn't SCOTTIE be able to turn the corner
Brinbe wrote:Let Scottie get into his Magic bag. The problem wasn't necessarily that Fred or Pascal were shooting it's that they made things so much harder on themselves trying to create for themselves when they could've just had Scottie (or others) feed them instead of all the iso stuff. That's the dynamic that was off. And we saw some glimpses of something different last year when Fred was out.
Different time, different era and astronomically much higher bar obviously, but there's no reason why we can't emulate some of that showtime Laker era stuff. Pascal as Worthy, OG as Wilkes etc. Get these guy out in transition and let them run.
.Clay Davis wrote:COMPOSED ONLY OF THE COOLEST WOMEN AND THE HOTTEST GUYS, THE TORONTO RAPTORS REALGM BOARD HAS LONG BEEN KNOWN FOR ITS HIGH-QUALITY DISCUSSION, PASSIONATE LOYALTY, TEMPERATE CELEBRATIONS OF VICTORY, AND GRACE IN DEFEAT.
Brinbe wrote:Let Scottie get into his Magic bag. The problem wasn't necessarily that Fred or Pascal were shooting it's that they made things so much harder on themselves trying to create for themselves when they could've just had Scottie (or others) feed them instead of all the iso stuff. That's the dynamic that was off. And we saw some glimpses of something different last year when Fred was out.
Different time, different era and astronomically much higher bar obviously, but there's no reason why we can't emulate some of that showtime Laker era stuff. Pascal as Worthy, OG as Wilkes etc. Get these guy out in transition and let them run.
