Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[Maverick41]

I also want to see the team run more. We have significantly more athletes this season to make this work. We had glimpses last year with Kyrie pushing the ball and Luka throwing amazing outlet passes. I see no reason why we can't do this more often with an athletic and deeper team.

[41Dirk41]

Yeah, I'm much more worried about coaching than I am about the roster, Luka was always high usage player, but under Kidd he became the highest usage player in the league, and the offense became much stagnant, basically he turned PO Luka into RS Luka, which isn't sustainable.

Yup our gameplan was ridiculously predictable. Basically give the ball to Luka, let him cook, then hope shooters hit shots when he starts drawing doubles or triples. Rinse and repeat. And then we can't forget that literally every end of game play is a step back 3. There's no creativity. It's odd because Kidd was one of the most creative players ever. Not so much as a coach. Let's hope he adds something to the toolbag.

I hoped they get Kokoskov back, but they didn't, Silas was fired from the Rockets, he's not head coach material, but he knows all of RC plays, maybe he can help...

A lot of NBA coach are mediocre, in FIBA area you can find great coach easily but i don't think american NBA stars want be coached by them so GMs and owners are forced to hire friendly coach.

Anyway Kidd is a terrible coach and every team improved a lot after fired him.

[Archx]

Yup our gameplan was ridiculously predictable. Basically give the ball to Luka, let him cook, then hope shooters hit shots when he starts drawing doubles or triples. Rinse and repeat. And then we can't forget that literally every end of game play is a step back 3. There's no creativity. It's odd because Kidd was one of the most creative players ever. Not so much as a coach. Let's hope he adds something to the toolbag.

I hoped they get Kokoskov back, but they didn't, Silas was fired from the Rockets, he's not head coach material, but he knows all of RC plays, maybe he can help...

A lot of NBA coach are mediocre, in FIBA area you can find great coach easily but i don't think american NBA stars want be coached by them so GMs and owners are forced to hire friendly coach.

Anyway Kidd is a terrible coach and every team improved a lot after fired him.

I fully agree with this. I don't know how many people listened to latest interview with Cam Johnson, but he basically said every other team had plays on top of plays on top of plays to counter different strategies. US team is customed to run just one thing and everyone is copying this same thing in the NBA. He was brutually honest how far behind US basketball is in terms of pure tactics and strategy.

Kidd is a prime example of this. He's still running something Kokoskov made for him and that's it. The only reason he still has a job is because Luka is that good and because he knows how to sweet talk players. EU coaches have different mentality and different aproach to games, way more strategic and less player cuddling.

[Mavrelous]

It's transition and off ball actions, Cam Johnson talked how in addition to the main action there are 2-3 side actions running, this is how the Warriors are able to dominate, with 2 non-shooters on the floor, this is also how the last iteration of contending Spurs played.

[Captain_Obvious]

It's transition and off ball actions, Cam Johnson talked how in addition to the main action there are 2-3 side actions running, this is how the Warriors are able to dominate, with 2 non-shooters on the floor, this is also how the last iteration of contending Spurs played.

Kidd has a different definition of "side action"

[dirkforpres]

I wouldnt do it. Considering how people here hated KPs injuries they shouldnt either. Fine if its just holmes and a 2nd or 2, but anything above that im against. Its 50% chance he plays 20-30 games this season, 50% 30-50 games, 0% 50+ games. I really really hate aytons contract as everyone know, but i would rather have ayton on his contract then give up assets for someone thats pretty much never available. And above those 2 options i prefer to just let lively, powell, holmes and kleber share the C minutes and see how it goes.

If the choice is between keeping 2 SRPs or Josh Green, Id rather have the picks.

The difference between being frustrated with KP's durability vs RWIII's is that Porzingis was the 2nd option and we had no clear backup for if/when he got hurt. If all it took to acquire Rob Williams was Holmes and Josh, we would still have Lively, Maxi, and Powell that could all slot in and handle starter minutes. It lifts our ceiling without lowering the floor, a no-brainer.

... But theyre not going to trade Williams so this is all a nonsensical discussion

If the option is to trade Green or 2SRPs and you choose to keep the 2SRPs that’s just beyond stupid. From all accounts Josh is a hot commodity in the league. He would easily net a 1st and probably something extra. If you want the picks that fine. But don’t encourage (Please Use More Appropriate Word) asset management.

That is an extreme overvaluation of Josh Green. I don't think I have ever seen a pro play more scared on offense than he does. Nobody is paying anywhere close to a first round pick for him, and they certainly aren't going to give up more on top of that. The most appealing thing about him is that he is on a rookie contract, and that's about to not even be the case after this season. Stop confusing being young with being a hot commodity.

[tleikheen]

A big thing that we'll probably see is Dante Exum and Josh Green playing together and setting the tone defensively and offensively as they push the pace. Everyone around Luka can run so is this where the Mavs offense starts to change.

[41Dirk41]

If the choice is between keeping 2 SRPs or Josh Green, Id rather have the picks.

The difference between being frustrated with KP's durability vs RWIII's is that Porzingis was the 2nd option and we had no clear backup for if/when he got hurt. If all it took to acquire Rob Williams was Holmes and Josh, we would still have Lively, Maxi, and Powell that could all slot in and handle starter minutes. It lifts our ceiling without lowering the floor, a no-brainer.

... But theyre not going to trade Williams so this is all a nonsensical discussion

If the option is to trade Green or 2SRPs and you choose to keep the 2SRPs that’s just beyond stupid. From all accounts Josh is a hot commodity in the league. He would easily net a 1st and probably something extra. If you want the picks that fine. But don’t encourage (Please Use More Appropriate Word) asset management.

That is an extreme overvaluation of Josh Green. I don't think I have ever seen a pro play more scared on offense than he does. Nobody is paying anywhere close to a first round pick for him, and they certainly aren't going to give up more on top of that. The most appealing thing about him is that he is on a rookie contract, and that's about to not even be the case after this season. Stop confusing being young with being a hot commodity.

[arkuo]

Hardy + THJ for Time Lord. Make it happen.

[41Dirk41]

Hardy + THJ for Time Lord. Make it happen.

I hate to lose Hardy but our situation is desperated.
We need a C.

Hardy is redundant with Curry and THJ although he is younger and with more upside.

Probably i will trade Green instead because we have Exum. But those are both bad moves. Unfortunately.

[BeiBeau]

If the choice is between keeping 2 SRPs or Josh Green, Id rather have the picks.

The difference between being frustrated with KP's durability vs RWIII's is that Porzingis was the 2nd option and we had no clear backup for if/when he got hurt. If all it took to acquire Rob Williams was Holmes and Josh, we would still have Lively, Maxi, and Powell that could all slot in and handle starter minutes. It lifts our ceiling without lowering the floor, a no-brainer.

... But theyre not going to trade Williams so this is all a nonsensical discussion

If the option is to trade Green or 2SRPs and you choose to keep the 2SRPs that’s just beyond stupid. From all accounts Josh is a hot commodity in the league. He would easily net a 1st and probably something extra. If you want the picks that fine. But don’t encourage (Please Use More Appropriate Word) asset management.

That is an extreme overvaluation of Josh Green. I don't think I have ever seen a pro play more scared on offense than he does. Nobody is paying anywhere close to a first round pick for him, and they certainly aren't going to give up more on top of that. The most appealing thing about him is that he is on a rookie contract, and that's about to not even be the case after this season. Stop confusing being young with being a hot commodity.

Great athletes, good defense, can handle the ball, good passer, shoots 50% from the field and 40% from 3. Is 23 and we know that teams have been asking for him. All of the adds to a 1st round pick. We can go back and forth all day and be stupid about this but that sounds awful. He easily has “lottery protected” 1st round value.

[BliscoSantos]

If the option is to trade Green or 2SRPs and you choose to keep the 2SRPs that’s just beyond stupid. From all accounts Josh is a hot commodity in the league. He would easily net a 1st and probably something extra. If you want the picks that fine. But don’t encourage (Please Use More Appropriate Word) asset management.

That is an extreme overvaluation of Josh Green. I don't think I have ever seen a pro play more scared on offense than he does. Nobody is paying anywhere close to a first round pick for him, and they certainly aren't going to give up more on top of that. The most appealing thing about him is that he is on a rookie contract, and that's about to not even be the case after this season. Stop confusing being young with being a hot commodity.

Great athletes, good defense, can handle the ball, good passer, shoots 50% from the field and 40% from 3. Is 23 and we know that teams have been asking for him. All of the adds to a 1st round pick. We can go back and forth all day and be stupid about this but that sounds awful. He easily has “lottery protected” 1st round value.

Great athlete agree...good defense also...but handles??the Guy has poor handles...he uses only his right hand,his left hand is weak...Shamgod needs to work with him on his handles...passing is also erratic a lot of Times

[daoneandonly]

There's not a GM in the NBA that would give up a first for Green, that's just absurd. The guy isn't great at anything.

[dirkforpres]

If the option is to trade Green or 2SRPs and you choose to keep the 2SRPs that’s just beyond stupid. From all accounts Josh is a hot commodity in the league. He would easily net a 1st and probably something extra. If you want the picks that fine. But don’t encourage (Please Use More Appropriate Word) asset management.

That is an extreme overvaluation of Josh Green. I don't think I have ever seen a pro play more scared on offense than he does. Nobody is paying anywhere close to a first round pick for him, and they certainly aren't going to give up more on top of that. The most appealing thing about him is that he is on a rookie contract, and that's about to not even be the case after this season. Stop confusing being young with being a hot commodity.

Great athletes, good defense, can handle the ball, good passer, shoots 50% from the field and 40% from 3. Is 23 and we know that teams have been asking for him. All of the adds to a 1st round pick. We can go back and forth all day and be stupid about this but that sounds awful. He easily has “lottery protected” 1st round value.

Again, no GM in their right mind is giving up a 1st (even a lottery protected 1st) to acquire Josh and then have to turn around and pay him long term money next summer. If Nico were to get even close to that kind of offer for him and reject it, then I would have zero faith in this front office to build a contender around Luka.

Hes not great at any one thing in particular and even Kidd doesnt seem that high on him, as indicated by benching him last year in favor of Justin Holiday and this year in favor of OMax.

IDK what games youve been watching, but Josh is actually a pretty terrible ball handler and even if he is a good passer (debatable), he is WAY too passive because hes just scared to shoot. When you have 2 of the best passing guards in the entire league on your team, you shouldnt be looking to pass first, and he does not get that at all.

Good athlete with a decent shot, but ultimately if/when he is not on a rookie contract, he's not a valuable player. I would much rather have 2 SRPs instead, as I think its pretty easy to find another Josh Green in the 2nd round or via free agency every summer

[BliscoSantos]

Watching Powell playing big minutes for the Mavs makes me wonder how in the world is this guy still in the NBA and Cousins not...at least Boogie can rebound and score,Powell can only set up a screen and get hit in the face,his D sucks(he's a traffic cone) and he can't rebound and isn't a threat on O whatsoever

[41Dirk41]

Watching Powell playing big minutes for the Mavs makes me wonder how in the world is this guy still in the NBA and Cousins not...at least Boogie can rebound and score,Powell can only set up a screen and get hit in the face,his D sucks(he's a traffic cone) and he can't rebound and isn't a threat on O whatsoever

I said months ago that a lot of C in Euroleague are better than Powell... probably all of them.

[tleikheen]

Concern: Have we seen this movie before?
Will we start to see any progress in the definition of roles when Dončić and Kyrie Irving are on the floor together? In the limited minutes Dončić and Irving shared the floor on Thursday, it sure seemed like Irving was relegated to the “camping in the corner” role with Dončić dominating the ball at times, didn’t it?

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2023/10/6/23905748/mavericks-vs-timberwolves-preview-what-to-watch

Already this is a concern ....in a Lukacentric offense EVERYONE camps out at the 3 pt line for do or die shots. Same old coach ,same old predictable offense

[Michaellam1987]

Concern: Have we seen this movie before?
Will we start to see any progress in the definition of roles when Dončić and Kyrie Irving are on the floor together? In the limited minutes Dončić and Irving shared the floor on Thursday, it sure seemed like Irving was relegated to the “camping in the corner” role with Dončić dominating the ball at times, didn’t it?

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2023/10/6/23905748/mavericks-vs-timberwolves-preview-what-to-watch

Already this is a concern ....in a Lukacentric offense EVERYONE camps out at the 3 pt line for do or die shots. Same old coach ,same old predictable offense

Can’t agree anymore than that. We have no improvement in game plan at all.

[41Dirk41]

Concern: Have we seen this movie before?
Will we start to see any progress in the definition of roles when Dončić and Kyrie Irving are on the floor together? In the limited minutes Dončić and Irving shared the floor on Thursday, it sure seemed like Irving was relegated to the “camping in the corner” role with Dončić dominating the ball at times, didn’t it?

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2023/10/6/23905748/mavericks-vs-timberwolves-preview-what-to-watch

Already this is a concern ....in a Lukacentric offense EVERYONE camps out at the 3 pt line for do or die shots. Same old coach ,same old predictable offense

Can’t agree anymore than that. We have no improvement in game plan at all.

We need to hire a coach to fix that... ASAP.

[Archx]

Concern: Have we seen this movie before?
Will we start to see any progress in the definition of roles when Dončić and Kyrie Irving are on the floor together? In the limited minutes Dončić and Irving shared the floor on Thursday, it sure seemed like Irving was relegated to the “camping in the corner” role with Dončić dominating the ball at times, didn’t it?

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2023/10/6/23905748/mavericks-vs-timberwolves-preview-what-to-watch

Already this is a concern ....in a Lukacentric offense EVERYONE camps out at the 3 pt line for do or die shots. Same old coach ,same old predictable offense

You know what's the irony here? Everyone will blame Doncic again but in Slovenian NT he played or could play very different because of different tactics. Kidd has no clue how to run an offense as a coach, which is a shame.