Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Payne Signed

[emunney]

Aspect of Dre and possibly MarJon that we haven't talked about is that either of them being playable would unlock C Giannis defensively by allowing us to drop Giannis situationally and have them backfill Giannis' normal role as the guy who helps from the weakside block to the corner. They can cover that ground. We didn't play anybody who could do it last year.

[MVP2110]

Sure, but Bud is the guy who trusted his players and how they feel. Bud also trusted PJ whole heartedly against KD & the Nets. Bud trusted his players when they said they could do something and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't

Don't have a horse in the race but didn't PJ basically disregard Bud's orders or didn't like what he wanted to do? Also, If i had to bet, it was Bud who said he didn't want PJ back.

That's sort of what I'm saying. PJ gave Bud his input, basically telling Bud that "hey let me guard PJ, not this team defense crap, etc." and Bud in turn trusted PJ and listened to him. Jrue basically did the same thing this series against Jimmy. Bud wasn't afraid to get his players input and listen to them. That said there are pros and cons to that approach and sometimes it works(PJ) & sometimes it doesnt(Jrue)

[Daver]

Sure, but Bud is the guy who trusted his players and how they feel. Bud also trusted PJ whole heartedly against KD & the Nets. Bud trusted his players when they said they could do something and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't

Don't have a horse in the race but didn't PJ basically disregard Bud's orders or didn't like what he wanted to do? Also, If i had to bet, it was Bud who said he didn't want PJ back.

That's sort of what I'm saying. PJ gave Bud his input, basically telling Bud that "hey let me guard PJ, not this team defense crap, etc." and Bud in turn trusted PJ and listened to him. Jrue basically did the same thing this series against Jimmy. Bud wasn't afraid to get his players input and listen to them. That said there are pros and cons to that approach and sometimes it works(PJ) & sometimes it doesnt(Jrue)

It didnt work for 5 games ok wtf definition of insanity should of been 1 game watching jrue get pummled to make a change in D JFC your lustening to a player that got smoked in every game of thst series.Im sure other great coaches would of said ok jrue we will let you get your assed kicked for 5 straight games n not do a damn thing cause you told me you could handle it.Jrue shoyld of been off butler by game 2 if our HC wasnt a dumb ass JMO

[jimmybones]

Last two games he went 14-36 from the field, was a big part of both 4th quarter meltdowns, and a complete turnstile on defense.

Nobody covered themselves in glory in that series, but he wasn’t good.

Pretty wild to say this in context of preferring Jrue over him, "easily" in your words, considering how Jrue played in the same series

I don't think it's wise to look at that series in isolation. Jrue was much much better than Khris during the regular season.

But even that misses the point - it's about how their skills can be leveraged with Giannis and Dame. There's an argument that Khris' shooting is more important. I think Jrue is perfectly fine as a catch-and-shoot guy, and his defense is vastly superior.

Add in the health issues with Middleton, and it's an easy decision for me.

There's a video I watched that I'll try to find but it focused on how much teams did not fear Jrue as an off ball spacer and used his man to clog the paint. They can't and won't do that to Khris. And that's before you factor in the low bball IQ possessions.

[tedbrogen]

Dame shooting threes is 37% for his career. So letting him walk into threes is 1.11 ppp or better if Giannis’ gravity makes the looks easier. Teams are definitely not going to take the approach of daring Dame to shoot.

A worse option is Giannis in the paint or Khris open anywhere.

That’s why they’ll send rotational help to the paint as always and leave Brook and the other non-Midds player open.

[MVP2110]

Don't have a horse in the race but didn't PJ basically disregard Bud's orders or didn't like what he wanted to do? Also, If i had to bet, it was Bud who said he didn't want PJ back.

That's sort of what I'm saying. PJ gave Bud his input, basically telling Bud that "hey let me guard PJ, not this team defense crap, etc." and Bud in turn trusted PJ and listened to him. Jrue basically did the same thing this series against Jimmy. Bud wasn't afraid to get his players input and listen to them. That said there are pros and cons to that approach and sometimes it works(PJ) & sometimes it doesnt(Jrue)

It didnt work for 5 games ok wtf definition of insanity should of been 1 game watching jrue get pummled to make a change in D JFC your lustening to a player that got smoked in every game of thst series.Im sure other great coaches would of said ok jrue we will let you get your assed kicked for 5 straight games n not do a damn thing cause you told me you could handle it.Jrue shoyld of been off butler by game 2 if our HC wasnt a dumb ass JMO

If Bud had that mindset then PJ wouldn't have been guarding KD in game 6 or 7 after KD torched the Bucks in that historical game 5. It's very possible Bud sort of learned the wrong lesson from that series and I'm not even saying it was the right decision just that Bud very much trusted his players when they said they could do something.

[Daver]

Dame shooting threes is 37% for his career. So letting him walk into threes is 1.11 ppp or better if Giannis’ gravity makes the looks easier. Teams are definitely not going to take the approach of daring Dame to shoot.

A worse option is Giannis in the paint or Khris open anywhere.

That’s why they’ll send rotational help to the paint as always and leave Brook and the other non-Midds player open.

Be a perfect time for brook to rediscover his 3 pt shot would be cool to have him shoot near 40% this year talk about a unstoppable O

[engelmartin]

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[Daver]

DREW EUBANKS

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For a man who has high usuage hes not a selfish player at all.I really like that

[nagawicka]

Jrue over Khris easily. Jrue was being asked to do too much on offense. I expect he will thrive in Boston focusing on what he's great at, just like he would've here if it were possible to trade Khris instead.

I also just think Khris is not a good basketball player anymore, and even more a poor fit for this team. His field goal % has declined 3 years in a row. His 3pt % has declined 3 years in a row. He doesn't move well without the ball. And perhaps worst of all, his defense is atrocious.

He is an iso player who can make tough shots, and occasionally run a decent pick n roll game when he's not dribbling the ball off his foot or throwing lobs off the shot clock. We don't need that now, because Dame will be taking over those duties. And I think Cam is good enough to be a creator for the 2nd unit.

We'd be *much* better off with a hard-nosed, gritty wing who will be ultra active defensively, relentlessly cut off the ball and attack the glass.

Jrue waived off Giannis and Wes only to continue to get absolutely roasted by Jimmy
. . . . because Jrue was too damn stupid to figure out that you steer Jimmy left. Beyond i. . nexcusable. He deserves the Celtics overmatched coach. I will not miss him as a player.

Thats not why they lost tho and everyone knows it. Superhero iso heroics can't beat team ball, and G missing more free throws than our margin of defeat and the lip service to 'sacrifice' apparently doesn't include sacrificing ISOs or the physical (& team!) costs of trying to play two positions instead of just one and actually using all five players. Larry Bird reels show him constantly passing and as long as we don't have that the bucks are vulnerable. Expecting Jrue to be the band-aid for Gs habitual decisions by Jrue playing O & D superhuman postseason level is . . . unrealistic and not winning ball. If Bucks win again it'll be bc Dame took matters into his own hands & went against the grain on this.

[German Athens]

A worse option is Giannis in the paint or Khris open anywhere.

That’s why they’ll send rotational help to the paint as always and leave Brook and the other non-Midds player open.

Be a perfect time for brook to rediscover his 3 pt shot would be cool to have him shoot near 40% this year talk about a unstoppable O

Brook did have his career best 3pt shooting this past season. I don't think he needs to rediscover anything, he just needs to continue his 37.4% mark.

[Shaffty]

I mean, I thought Marjon showed up in Vegas noticeably more explosive, stronger, and more comfortable on-ball. I guess a lot of people chalked it up to "it's just Summer League", but the eye test stuff was night & day from where he was at this time last year.

i think the fall off after the first 1.5 games left a sour taste in peoples mouth.

IF and thats a big IF marjon is good enough to win the starting role here. Then Horst probably traded for Dame Lillard and kept our best asset.

[Balls2TheWalls]

I mean, I thought Marjon showed up in Vegas noticeably more explosive, stronger, and more comfortable on-ball. I guess a lot of people chalked it up to "it's just Summer League", but the eye test stuff was night & day from where he was at this time last year.

i think the fall off after the first 1.5 games left a sour taste in peoples mouth.

IF and thats a big IF marjon is good enough to win the starting role here. Then Horst probably traded for Dame Lillard and kept our best asset.

It was pretty obvious that no one other than Marjon could create offense on the Summer League team. It was an absolute brick festival. He is going to be asked to do much less schematically during the regular season.

[Daver]

Jrue over Khris easily. Jrue was being asked to do too much on offense. I expect he will thrive in Boston focusing on what he's great at, just like he would've here if it were possible to trade Khris instead.

I also just think Khris is not a good basketball player anymore, and even more a poor fit for this team. His field goal % has declined 3 years in a row. His 3pt % has declined 3 years in a row. He doesn't move well without the ball. And perhaps worst of all, his defense is atrocious.

He is an iso player who can make tough shots, and occasionally run a decent pick n roll game when he's not dribbling the ball off his foot or throwing lobs off the shot clock. We don't need that now, because Dame will be taking over those duties. And I think Cam is good enough to be a creator for the 2nd unit.

We'd be *much* better off with a hard-nosed, gritty wing who will be ultra active defensively, relentlessly cut off the ball and attack the glass.

Jrue waived off Giannis and Wes only to continue to get absolutely roasted by Jimmy
. . . . because Jrue was too damn stupid to figure out that you steer Jimmy left. Beyond i. . nexcusable. He deserves the Celtics overmatched coach. I will not miss him as a player.

Thats not why they lost tho and everyone knows it. Superhero iso heroics can't beat team ball, and G missing more free throws than our margin of defeat and the lip service to 'sacrifice' apparently doesn't include sacrificing ISOs or the physical (& team!) costs of trying to play two positions instead of just one and actually using all five players. Larry Bird reels show him constantly passing and as long as we don't have that the bucks are vulnerable. Expecting Jrue to be the band-aid for Gs habitual decisions by Jrue playing O & D superhuman postseason level is . . . unrealistic and not winning ball. If Bucks win again it'll be bc Dame took matters into his own hands & went against the grain on this.

Agree honestly jrue was terrible mo doubt but they lost because giannis shoot 60% from the line in a 2 point loss.Jrue made some bad mistskes but so did the HC as well as all the players including the mvp that cost the heat series.Who was leaving strauss n vincent open

[Daver]

That’s why they’ll send rotational help to the paint as always and leave Brook and the other non-Midds player open.

Be a perfect time for brook to rediscover his 3 pt shot would be cool to have him shoot near 40% this year talk about a unstoppable O

Brook did have his career best 3pt shooting this past season. I don't think he needs to rediscover anything, he just needs to continue his 37.4% mark.

He shot that well then me bad must of been regular season then where it looked like he was having a off year from 3 thsnks for correcting me

[Rudy Benerlo]

Well we've been talking about Khris like at the beginning of every new season. We discussed his stats, his skills, his injuries and such. These all mean he doesn't give everyone any confidence even though he changes constantly and improves by all means. With this being said, I think deep down we all know where his values lie at. At least this is how I see it about Khris. I would trade him anytime we see a good shot in exchange with the same caliber players or good players.

[RiotPunch]

Well we've been talking about Khris like at the beginning of every new season. We discussed his stats, his skills, his injuries and such. These all mean he doesn't give everyone any confidence even though he changes constantly and improves by all means. With this being said, I think deep down we all know where his values lie at. At least this is how I see it about Khris. I would trade him anytime we see a good shot in exchange with the same caliber players or good players.

[Daver]

Wow espn is so anti buck theiir season record predictions came out n they have the bucks 3rd behind the celts n the fricking cavs