Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

Skybox · Post #1 » by **Skybox** » Fri Oct 6, 2023 7:11 pm

I get the need to not have every thread become a trade thread, but there should be ONE.

this one will ruffle feathers...I could take either side of it, but I'd do it.

POR sends: Anfernee Simons, Robert Williams
ORL sends: WCJ, Markelle Fultz, Okeke

no picks in either direction...moving WCJ hurts, but maybe he's not a perfect complement to Paolo & Franz. Time Lord comes in, blocks everything, dunks everything, sets picks and is among the best locker room guys in the league. He has a fragile history but you could argue WCJ hasn't been ideal in that respect either. Williams is nearly ideal for our perimeter based scorers and iso ballhandling team. WCJ is far more skilled, but perhaps some of that is unnecessary and Williams brings the elite rim protection and just the dirty work from the C spot. Honestly, he's not the reason for the deal, but he's more than able to hold it down with M. Wagner and Goga. A healthy 7' Isaac is also lurking in the frontcourt rotation.

Much harder to find is the modern, high-scoring, floor spacing Lead Guard. I see Simons as our Jamal Murray, which is, IMO, the prototype for what our lineup needs most. Suggs could play SG next to Simons and provide the intensity and defensive impact to complement Simons' lights out shooting, penetration and three level scoring...I expect Suggs to further improve his offensive skill set, so the two would make for an explosive, ultra-athletic young backcourt tandem with able bench support in Cole, Harris, Black, Jett. Simons could also find himself next to Anthony Black for an equally complementary setup with more off-ball play.

I'm not dumping WCJ, I'm sacrificing a less important spot for a critical need. Potentially, Williams and Isaac make for better modern defensive-minded, switchy Centers next to Paolo and Franz. No question that Simons adds a whole different level of offensive firepower from the perimeter. His high-volume, long-range shooting is as effortless as anybody in the league.

JF5 · Post #2 » by **JF5** » Fri Oct 6, 2023 7:48 pm

Trade makes no sense for either team in a way. The Blazers just got Ayton and they look at him as a guy with star potential. Simmons is a good fit next to Henderson... Eventually one of them gets moved but but it would be for a fit trade not a talent trade at that point.

For the Magic you can't add another guy who is injury prone and can't play more than 24 minutes. You already have that issue with Issac already. Also, Williams does not space the floor either.

Simmons would be a good fit but I question if he is a good enough lead guard/passer and defender.

Residual-Heat · Post #3 » by **Residual-Heat** » Fri Oct 6, 2023 8:14 pm

You want to rely on Williams and Isaac at C when theyre both undersized and very very injury prone? I like Williams but you cant rely on him to be a starting C. Isaac isnt really a center either.
I am intrigued by Simons-Suggs backcourt, but not enough to do this. If we wanted to we could do a trade based on expirings and pick(s) that sends Williams and Simons to Orl. It would make way more sense for both teams.

Skybox · Post #4 » by **Skybox** » Fri Oct 6, 2023 8:26 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:You want to rely on Williams and Isaac at C when theyre both undersized and very very injury prone? I like Williams but you cant rely on him to be a starting C. Isaac isnt really a center either.
I am intrigued by Simons-Suggs backcourt, but not enough to do this. If we wanted to we could do a trade based on expirings and pick(s) that sends Williams and Simons to Orl. It would make way more sense for both teams.

I'd certainly prefer to keep WCJ and have Williams off the bench for picks and expirings (Fultz, Harris, maybe Goga for backup C minutes and DEN and our 24)...someone on POR board suggested WCJ and he WOULD be a very capable PF next to Ayton, as well as backing him up at C. I think WCJ is really good but our guard rotation is a mess...maybe it will sort itself out, but I really like the DEN model with a scoring guard at semi-PG with a ballhandling big with vision...we've got two in our frontcourt (not saying they're Jokic level but...). Traditional pass-first can't shoot from deep PG just isn't the best way to go, IMO.

thelead · Post #5 » by **thelead** » Fri Oct 6, 2023 9:47 pm

Unless we’re approached with a deal we can’t refuse, there is no need to make any trades right now. I would like to see what a healthy team looks like for a few months before even thinking about moves.

drsd · Post #6 » by **drsd** » Fri Oct 6, 2023 11:07 pm

Okeke for a second-round pick ?

thelead · Post #7 » by **thelead** » Fri Oct 6, 2023 11:15 pm

drsd wrote:Okeke for a second-round pick ?

that's a deal I couldn't refuse... I would use the pick but the Magic would use it to pocket some money after selling the pick

cedric76 · Post #8 » by **cedric76** » Sat Oct 7, 2023 6:58 am

Skybox · Post #9 » by **Skybox** » Sat Oct 7, 2023 12:31 pm

cedric76 wrote:Ibtl

Had to look that one up

Has to be one active trade thread or what’s the point of all this? I’m as guilty as anyone re: same old debates about Fultz, but new trade ideas to goof around with are a little more mentally stimulating than most other off-season stuff

Meanwhile…We should probably all pinkie swear to keep Fultz debates/arguments/foolish expectations :evil:

in the Fultz thread…to give the mods a break. All of the threads smell the same. Training camp thread is a good, specific one.

MasterGMer · Post #10 » by **MasterGMer** » Sat Oct 7, 2023 1:08 pm

thelead wrote:Unless we’re approached with a deal we can’t refuse, there is no need to make any trades right now. I would like to see what a healthy team looks like for a few months before even thinking about moves.

I agree, even though I am one of the biggest supporter of a big trade this past offseason. But right now, the best thing for us is to roll this season with everybody healthy and internal development. Let's see what Fultz can do. Let's see what Cole can do. Let's see what Franz can improve and let's see if Paolo becomes better. Plus our rookies and Suggs and Isaac.

We have a lot of IFs on this team this season and it could be a big dilemma in terms of our team growth. Can we make the jump? Or we stay almost the same?

Exciting times to come! Let's be Magic this season!

tiderulz · Post #11 » by **tiderulz** » Sat Oct 7, 2023 2:20 pm

JF5 wrote:Trade makes no sense for either team in a way. The Blazers just got Ayton and they look at him as a guy with star potential. Simmons is a good fit next to Henderson... Eventually one of them gets moved but but it would be for a fit trade not a talent trade at that point.

For the Magic you can't add another guy who is injury prone and can't play more than 24 minutes. You already have that issue with Issac already. Also, Williams does not space the floor either.

Simmons would be a good fit but I question if he is a good enough lead guard/passer and defender.

except that Portland sees Sharpe as their future SG, not an undersized SF.

i would love to get Simons in here and think there is a deal to be made with Portland on him. but i agree the WCJ/Williams part is too risky.

JF5 · Post #12 » by **JF5** » Sat Oct 7, 2023 4:41 pm

tiderulz wrote:
JF5 wrote:Trade makes no sense for either team in a way. The Blazers just got Ayton and they look at him as a guy with star potential. Simmons is a good fit next to Henderson... Eventually one of them gets moved but but it would be for a fit trade not a talent trade at that point.

For the Magic you can't add another guy who is injury prone and can't play more than 24 minutes. You already have that issue with Issac already. Also, Williams does not space the floor either.

Simmons would be a good fit but I question if he is a good enough lead guard/passer and defender.

except that Portland sees Sharpe as their future SG, not an undersized SF.

i would love to get Simons in here and think there is a deal to be made with Portland on him. but i agree the WCJ/Williams part is too risky.

Like I said one of them will be moved once they figure out who will be their future PG. But as of now offensively they don't get in each other's way. One is a slasher/penetrator/passer... the other is a shooter/scorer.

The only issues that are presented are the touches and size issues/defense.

pepe1991 · Post #13 » by **pepe1991** » Sun Oct 8, 2023 9:00 am

Sharpe allegedlly has 6'11 wingspan and stands around 200 pounds.

He probably *can* play SF . He spent 30% of time at SF last year anyway, according to BB reference.

Rainwater · Post #14 » by **Rainwater** » Sun Oct 8, 2023 9:46 am

I really believe Portland is going to try the Simons, Scoot, and Sharpe experiment before trying to trade any of them. Portland is a rebuilding team and all three of these guys are young and decent. Why trade Simons now?

I keep seeing Simons trades and doesn't make sense since Dame has been traded. I could see it next summer if he truly doesn't fit but not now.

pepe1991 · Post #15 » by **pepe1991** » Sun Oct 8, 2023 10:08 am

Brogdon and Grant will be gone by deadline, i don't think Blazers give a damn about positions nor will bother. They are in year zero of rebuild

JRoy · Post #16 » by **JRoy** » Sun Oct 8, 2023 6:00 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Brogdon and Grant will be gone by deadline, i don't think Blazers give a damn about positions nor will bother. They are in year zero of rebuild

Year two.

jonbob17 · Post #17 » by **jonbob17** » Mon Oct 9, 2023 3:02 pm

The thing about Brogdon, he was suppose to be in that Porzingis deal, but he failed his physical.

If Portalnd can flip Brogdon for a young guy and a pick it's gravy. Rob Williams has to be worth a couple firsts on his own, in addition to the other picks Boston gave up.

I want to deal at least one of the guards but just don't know what i would want coming back. I really just want minutes for Black and Suggs.
Fultz + Okeke for Terrrence Mann and Batum maybe...Mann backs up Franz, of course there's less time for Howard/Houstan in this instance. Westbrook is the only PG the Clippers have on the team.

Harris for two seconds would be helpful.

Butter · Post #18 » by **Butter** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 12:33 am

How much interest do the Magic have in Anferee Simons? I think he would be an incredible fit next to Anthony Black.

The Blazers future back court is Scoot and Sharp. Keeping Malcolm Brogdon as vet mentor/6th gives them a more balanced roster so they can develop their youth movement.

Skybox · Post #19 » by **Skybox** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 1:05 am

Butter wrote:How much interest do the Magic have in Anferee Simons? I think he would be an incredible fit next to Anthony Black.

The Blazers future back court is Scoot and Sharp. Keeping Malcolm Brogdon as vet mentor/6th gives them a more balanced roster so they can develop their youth movement.

I've been pitching Simons trades for years. He'd be ORL's Jamal Murray, IMO. Suggs could cover defensively.

Butter · Post #20 » by **Butter** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 1:50 am

Skybox wrote:
Butter wrote:How much interest do the Magic have in Anferee Simons? I think he would be an incredible fit next to Anthony Black.

The Blazers future back court is Scoot and Sharp. Keeping Malcolm Brogdon as vet mentor/6th gives them a more balanced roster so they can develop their youth movement.

I've been pitching Simons trades for years. He'd be ORL's Jamal Murray, IMO. Suggs could cover defensively.

My assumption is that the Blazers are interested in a few specific tyoes of options:

1) draft capitol
2) expiring contracts
3) young talent (starting with SF)

I come in peace, so don't flame me...my first target was Franz. After reading through several pages, it looks like FW is just about untouchable?

Again, not trolling, just fun fan chatter.