Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 12 is my favorite thread. Out of a dozen...

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Under the old CBA you could take an extra $100K over the TPE value? Does that still apply?

Otto Porter Jr. would fit into the Grant TPE if so. Old, injury prone. I get it. But there's a reason I'm suggesting him as someone who'd be available for free. PF might be our lightest position in terms of guys who can play there, if you assume Horford and Porzingis will each spend most of their time at the 5 even when both are active. It's just Tatum and Brissett and even Brissett is undersized there.

Also, for the more future transaction minded folks, OPJ and Pritchard would be a nice little expiring salary package at the deadline if there's something available.

Yeah. if we do use the Grant TPE, OPJ is an option that could make some sense in terms of a) seems fairly realistic that Toronto would may be be open to moving him, without asking for much in return and b) could be a good fit on our roster, could add some value to our bench.

It's certainly something that Brad may be exploring. And it helps that OPJ has won a ring, as a key player for the warriors when they won the 2022 title.

Obviously, the major question is how healthy is OPJ at this point and how much gas (if any) does he have left in the tank? He was already an injury prone guy, even before last season. Then last season he was only able to play in 8 games, due to a hamstring injury early in the season and then season ending foot surgery after that.

Also, keep in mind that Porzingis and Al will play together quite a bit, so one of them would be at the 4. We can also play double bigs with KP or Al out there alongside either Gabriel, Kornet or Queta. Or we can go single big with either tatum, Brissett or Stevens at the 4. We could even play JB, Hauser or Walsh at the 4. So plenty of options with the current roster..

Lastly, when I think about OPJ (solid veteran player, could probably help our team off the bench if healthy but missed most of last season to injury, is 30 or older) that sounds like someone I might consider signing to a veteran's minimum contract. Not sure about trading away valuable assets, going deeper into the tax and paying over $6 mil a year for that type of player. That part in parenthesis also fits Javonte Green, who passed on in free agency to sign a bunch of guys who are younger and healthier.

[MaxwellSmart]

That's what they said about Miami going into the play in last year.

This season Miami will be a different team.

Last season was a fluke.

They just got hot at the right time.

Miami is ass and was ass last year. Just an incredibly soft celtic team last year.

C's were just looking past Miami....Ridiculous really after what happened in the Finals the past year.

[Hal14]

This season Miami will be a different team.

Last season was a fluke.

They just got hot at the right time.

Miami is ass and was ass last year. Just an incredibly soft celtic team last year.

C's were just looking past Miami....Ridiculous really after what happened in the Finals the past year.

I don't know if we were looking past them, necessarily.

But it was pretty obvious that we took them too lightly. Clearly, our guys were thinking "everyone is picking us to win this series, people are saying we're gonna win in 5 or 6 games. We're the 2 seed and we're facing the 8 seed, this will be easy".

Meanwhile Miami was the hungrier team, they had nothing to lose and they used it as motivation that everyone was picking Boston to win the series easily, they really relished being the underdog that no one was picking. Spo is a very good coach and there's no doubt that he used that stuff to motivate his guys.

[BK_2020]

This season Miami will be a different team.

Last season was a fluke.

They just got hot at the right time.

Miami is ass and was ass last year. Just an incredibly soft celtic team last year.

C's were just looking past Miami....Ridiculous really after what happened in the Finals the past year.

Maybe it was the team's collective mentality. Or maybe it was this one mystery player who took 61 shots to score 43 points in the first 3 games who dragged the team down to a 0-3 start.

[Tyakack]

Smart was gone regardless, despite posters here telling me that Brad would never move him.

And thank god. I still stand by the fact he was a big reason for this team being good but also a big reason why they never got over the hump.

a handful of you guys want to blame Smart for not winning a chip LMAO. How about the J's put their big boy pants on and lead the team! Mazzulla single handedly screwed this unit last year with amateur hour on the sidelines / "coaching". Miami played bully ball and we folded, 9 out of 10 times JB would disappear and JT deferred to Marcus. The lights were a little too bright for our "studs" .

No excuses this year.... this unit is stacked, especially with the addition of Jrue! Banner 18 or bust IMO. The only question is who are the leaders of the hate club going to blame on our roster this year? The Fall Guy is gone now boyeeeeeee . Go C's!

I blamed both of them plenty in the past. I said smart was a big reason, not the only one. I went in on Tatum for that warriors finals when alot of others were trying to give him excuses.

I give brown s*** all the time. My stance was that core needed to be broken up if they were gonna go all the way. I wanted smart or brown gone. Or both, in the right trade. I don't have any issues blaming whoever deserves blame for not getting the job done.

[chrisab123]

Smart was gone regardless, despite posters here telling me that Brad would never move him.

And thank god. I still stand by the fact he was a big reason for this team being good but also a big reason why they never got over the hump.

a handful of you guys want to blame Smart for not winning a chip LMAO. How about the J's put their big boy pants on and lead the team! Mazzulla single handedly screwed this unit last year with amateur hour on the sidelines / "coaching". Miami played bully ball and we folded, 9 out of 10 times JB would disappear and JT deferred to Marcus. The lights were a little too bright for our "studs" .

No excuses this year.... this unit is stacked, especially with the addition of Jrue! Banner 18 or bust IMO. The only question is who are the leaders of the hate club going to blame on our roster this year? The Fall Guy is gone now boyeeeeeee . Go C's!

It never was Jaylen or Jaysons team, it was the Marcus Smart Celtics. He was the captain. Now I agree there are no excuses but they needed a Smart trade to happen in order to move forward.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

I would think, after the Bucks got Lillard, you would be more critical, if you didn't make these moves...

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[hugepatsfan]

That caller is just mad to be mad. What he's saying doesn't even make sense. No one is saying that RWilliams isn't a big loss. Everyone is saying how it's an uneasy feeling to be relying so heavily on injury prone Porzingis and and old Horford for the Center spot and how it removes most of the 2-big lineups opportunity we had with all 3. No one is saying Jrue is some all time superstar either, just that he's a great fit here as a 3rd/4th best player behind the J's.

End of the day people are weighing the good and the bad and just saying it's a good move because the good outweighs the bad. And even he seems to be on board with that since he's saying they should be applauded for the move. He's just complaining people aren't harping on the downside of it more. What a miserable person he must be to complain people aren't talking more negatively about something he agrees is good.

[Hal14]

That caller needs to chill out lol.

[KamikazeK]

I would think, after the Bucks got Lillard, you would be more critical, if you didn't make these moves...

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What does this guy want, a perfect team? There is no perfect team. If there was, they'd go undefeated and win the chip every year. Everything is a tradeoff.

[MaxwellSmart]

Felger is full of crap--he grew up a Bucks fan...and is always talking crap about The Celtics.

[chrisab123]

Why do people listen to Felger and Mazz and take it as anything but entertainment? The only one that knows something about the inner workings of a team is Mazz, kind of. But even his views on baseball are dated. The Celtics got a lot better.

[MeanGeraldGreen]

Why do people listen to Felger and Mazz.

Fixed.

[Ben-N1ce]

Felger sucks and his anology on Meyers sucks. Nobody I know thought that was a good move. Bring in a new guy who couldn't do anything with a generational QB the year before for a known commodity at like the same price.BS.

[ConstableGeneva]

We all got baited and reacted.

Felger & Mazz:

[cheezone]

Right now, Tatum is on top of the Boston sports roost,
but there seems to be a lot of chatter about the Red Sox
signing Ohtani. They definitely should ink him, they need a supreme lifeline
and he's the best in the business,
though it will dethrone Jayson as the Number One Boston athlete.

It all speaks to how quickly things can change in sports, it's very dynamic,
this ebb and flow, and highlights the laughable nature of 6 year windows.
As so many have noted, it's just a one year window, especially with the number
of impact free agents who could be available after the season and the possibility
that they may very well be inclined to deal Brown with both both Holiday and White
extended.

Seriously I can’t name you one player on the red Sox stop watching baseball after the Pedro Martinez days

So I don’t know what your talking about and Tatum is the biggest Sports star in Boston in my eyes

[zoyathedestroya]

Just another double agent sent by the Celtics to the Mavs to cause chaos and destruction. Expedite their implosion.

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[Fencer reregistered]

Right now, Tatum is on top of the Boston sports roost,
but there seems to be a lot of chatter about the Red Sox
signing Ohtani. They definitely should ink him, they need a supreme lifeline
and he's the best in the business,
though it will dethrone Jayson as the Number One Boston athlete.

It all speaks to how quickly things can change in sports, it's very dynamic,
this ebb and flow, and highlights the laughable nature of 6 year windows.
As so many have noted, it's just a one year window, especially with the number
of impact free agents who could be available after the season and the possibility
that they may very well be inclined to deal Brown with both both Holiday and White
extended.

Seriously I can’t name you one player on the red Sox stop watching baseball after the Pedro Martinez days

So I don’t know what your talking about and Tatum is the biggest Sports star in Boston in my eyes

I care and know about baseball about as much as you do.

But even I know that Ohtani is the first baseball player in recorded history to be both arguably the top pitcher and arguably the top hitter AT THE SAME TIME. (Babe Ruth didn't do that.)

At least, that's true the years he isn't too injured.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

B Robb's Mailbag

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/10/celtics-mailbag-grant-williams-tpe-starting-5-jrue-trade-fallout.html

Hypothetically, could the Celtics trade for Mike Muscala? The trade occurred prior to the start of this calendar season. Secondly, any thoughts regarding the Charles Lee and Holiday coach/player connection? I have not read anything about their prior relationship In Milwaukee. Thanks, Jeff


The Celtics can not trade for Muscala for a full year I believe unless he’s traded to a different team before Boston acquires him. It’s a bit unfortunate since a stretch big like him would be an ideal fit for this roster with his low price tag ($3.5 million). Lee and Holiday have a strong bond together from people I’ve talked to around the organization. It certainly will probably help the comfort level of both guys to be reunited together so quickly after spending the past few seasons in Milwaukee.


What do you think is this Celtics roster’s greatest strength and greatest weakness? Braden S


I think their top end depth is as good as anyone in the NBA right now when you are matching up the team’s top 5. To have three All-Stars and one other guy capable of being one in place in Porzingi should give defenses plenty of nightmares. I think frontcourt depth/versatility is their biggest weakness at this point. They don’t have much versatility right now at the center spot when it comes to guarding the perimeter and that could get them in trouble against the Bucks and other dynamic offenses around the league.

[celtxman]

This season Miami will be a different team.

Last season was a fluke.

They just got hot at the right time.

Miami is ass and was ass last year. Just an incredibly soft celtic team last year.

C's were just looking past Miami....Ridiculous really after what happened in the Finals the past year.

Looking past any team has to be the worst comment in sports history and probably never has been true. Think about it. You already have some playoff history losing to Miami. Then you lose Game 1. Do you then say, "I think Denver is going to win out West, I can't wait to play them?"
I don't care if Charlotte is the 10th seed with a losing record and squeaks into the last playoff spot. Beat them every game by 30. Take a good look at the Atlanta and Philly series last year - they really didn't play well there either. I'm looking forward to a mentally stronger Celtics team and a championship.