Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Crowder Out 8 Weeks

[Bucksmaniac]

It's one thing to hope to improve Malik's Defense. It's another thing to give him the toughest assignments every night. Between this and the stuff about Brook pressuring the ball AG is out here saying some wild stuff

Only thing about this is I’m wondering if we’re trying this since he’ll have the lowest offensive usage if we start him. Perhaps if we hone in on this idea it will work out alright as long as he only focuses on hitting the open jump shot on offense?

[ReasonablySober]

I know when I think of Malik Beasley, I think defensive stopper guy.

[MVP2110]

I can't imagine what goes through someone's head when they think using Brook Lopez to pressure the ball or Malik Beasley taking the toughest defensive assignments every night are good ideas. That some wild stuff that 99% of NBA fans could tell you are terrible ideas

[FrieAaron]

Maybe he's just trying to hype him up or something to see if he can be adequate defensively. But it feels like Beasley is a no brainer scoring option off the bench and having a low usage high defense guy would be ideal with the starting unit. Not gonna worry about it too much though unless we start losing regular season games because we actually see this stuff a lot.

[mattg]

Think you're right about prime Bledsoe being a better defender by the eye test, there were 2 seasons where he was one of the best individual defenders I've ever seen. Jrue is so good at fighting over screens and sticking with his man though, maybe one of the best ever at that. Still, it's closer than people think.

Gotta remember Jrue has been doing it for a long time, and is a well known good guy so that gives him a huge benefit in these discussions

Ironically, I think Bledsoe was better than Jrue navigating screens. Much quicker feet laterally, constantly forced guards to reject the screen or reset. Jrue is bigger and stronger, but Bled was damn good defensively and I don't really view Jrue as "better" on that end, especially considering the absolutely monstrous performances so many guys have hung on Jrue's head. He used to blow up so much action at the POA.

Plus Bled had that meme defense on prime Harden that was not repeatable by any other defender ever who tried it.

Jrue is a nice guy and a good defender. But let's be real, the "Jrue Holiday is the best defender in the league" thing started with the JJ Redick podcast asking about underrated defenders, it getting mentioned one time as a great defender no one talks about, Redick agreeing because he was teammates with Jrue before, then JJ asking multiple subsequent guests the same question, none of those guests ever being able to come up with an answer, then JJ mentioning Jrue so there's not a long awkward silence pause and all of them being like "yeah Jrue is super good on defense". Then it got parroted nonstop by other media.

I think Holiday's defensive reputation is widely held over many years. How else could he receive all of those votes that put him on NBA All-Defense teams ten times?

That only happens when a lot of NBA observers view him as one of the top defenders in the league.

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Jrue's been all-defensive team 5 times, not 10 (he's received votes in 10 different seasons though like 3 of them he received 1 total vote). And there's also a big difference between being an all defensive team guard...and being looked at as some otherworldly defensive stopper, like the number 1 lockdown guy in the entire league on guards AND wings.

Like I said Jrue is a very good defender, but he's become massively over hyped and overrated on that end the last few years. The classic underrated to overrated over correction that occurs.

[old skool]

Ironically, I think Bledsoe was better than Jrue navigating screens. Much quicker feet laterally, constantly forced guards to reject the screen or reset. Jrue is bigger and stronger, but Bled was damn good defensively and I don't really view Jrue as "better" on that end, especially considering the absolutely monstrous performances so many guys have hung on Jrue's head. He used to blow up so much action at the POA.

Plus Bled had that meme defense on prime Harden that was not repeatable by any other defender ever who tried it.

Jrue is a nice guy and a good defender. But let's be real, the "Jrue Holiday is the best defender in the league" thing started with the JJ Redick podcast asking about underrated defenders, it getting mentioned one time as a great defender no one talks about, Redick agreeing because he was teammates with Jrue before, then JJ asking multiple subsequent guests the same question, none of those guests ever being able to come up with an answer, then JJ mentioning Jrue so there's not a long awkward silence pause and all of them being like "yeah Jrue is super good on defense". Then it got parroted nonstop by other media.

I think Holiday's defensive reputation is widely held over many years. How else could he receive all of those votes that put him on NBA All-Defense teams ten times?

That only happens when a lot of NBA observers view him as one of the top defenders in the league.

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Jrue's been all-defensive team 5 times, not 10 (he's received votes in 10 different seasons though like 3 of them he received 1 total vote). And there's also a big difference between being an all defensive team guard...and being looked at as some otherworldly defensive stopper, like the number 1 lockdown guy in the entire league on guards AND wings.

Like I said Jrue is a very good defender, but he's become massively over hyped and overrated on that end the last few years. The classic underrated to overrated over correction that occurs.

You are right about Holiday on the All-Defense team. My bad. Only 5 NBA All-Defense team selections. Which, in spite of my error confusing his receiving votes with actually making 1st or 2nd team, still makes my point. In the last 6 seasons, respectively, Holiday finished 1st, 3rd, 2nd, 8th, 3rd, and 2nd among all NBA guards in All-Defense team voting. He was named to NBA All-Defense teams 5 of the last 6 seasons. In the opinion of the panelists who vote for NBA All-Defense, that clearly makes Holiday one of the elite defensive guards in the NBA.

Any individual is entitled to an opinion, and you obviously disagree with those who vote for the All-Defense award.

Personally, I don't have a measured opinion of Holiday's defensive ranking among all guards. I don't see enough of all of the NBA guards to make an assessment on my own. I tend to rely on the so called pundits and experts who see more NBA basketball than I, whose collective opinions seem more likely to me to put player rankings into a context that makes individual comparisons more objective and less dependent on whims of a lesser number.

[emunney]

I think Jrue is the best all-around defensive guard in the league but there is someone better than him for every matchup. Bled was indeed better on point guards. Plenty of wings are better on wings. But he's one of the only guards who can be rock solid on or off ball on all different kinds of players. He's a hole plugger. And he gambles less and brings more offense than a guy like Smart (although Smart is overrated defensively and underrated offensively).

Ultimately, if you have a great defensive wing, he's almost certainly going to be more valuable defensively and bother a lot more matchups than 6-3 Jrue. Like, Kawhi is basically Jrue at 6-8. A far more fearsome defender.

[MVP2110]

With Dame, Beas, & AJ Green the Bucks have 3 of the top 5 3pt attempts per 36 minute guys on their team lmao.

Were about to Jack up soooo many 3s lol

[MickeyDavis]

Were about to Jack up soooo many 3s lol

[raferfenix]

Curious to see the down the line impact of the coaching change for our young guys especially:

While speaking to reporters earlier this week, Beauchamp talked about how former Bucks head coach Mike Budenholzer would react if he picked up a foul on the perimeter while playing rotation minutes as a rookie last season.

“It’s a big change, because last year if I did foul, I’m coming out the game,” Beauchamp said. “This year, they want me to be aggressive, so I can’t wait. Just to (play) freely and be able to use my length, use my ability of my strength. I got stronger this year. I just can’t wait to put it out there. It’s going to be different.”

“We’ve talked about what kind of identity we want on the defensive end and I thought [MarJon] really is buying in. He could be a hell of a defender,” Griffin said after Sunday’s game. “He has good feet and he’s a physical specimen. A lot of defense is really grit and desire and wanting to compete on that end and then when you have they physical tools, it just makes you even more of a threat on the defensive end. It’s just about will, and I thought he imposed his will today on both sides of the ball. And that’s what we need from him.”

Similarly, rookie Andre Jackson Jr. picked up a foul just four seconds after entering Sunday’s game while covering Bulls forward DeMar DeRozan

https://theathletic.com/4942183/2023/10/09/bucks-preseason-giannis-antetokounmpo-damian-lillard/

[MickeyDavis]

I can see opposing teams in the bonus with 9:00 left each quarter.

[Matches Malone]

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[MickeyDavis]

I imagine everyone but Khris will play a bit tomorrow night.

[ReasonablySober]

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[Dick Tate]

I can see opposing teams in the bonus with 9:00 left each quarter.

Perhaps the theory is the refs start to swallow the whistle at that point to help prevent the 3-hr game?

[Shaffty]

I think Jrue is the best all-around defensive guard in the league but there is someone better than him for every matchup. Bled was indeed better on point guards. Plenty of wings are better on wings. But he's one of the only guards who can be rock solid on or off ball on all different kinds of players. He's a hole plugger. And he gambles less and brings more offense than a guy like Smart (although Smart is overrated defensively and underrated offensively).

Ultimately, if you have a great defensive wing, he's almost certainly going to be more valuable defensively and bother a lot more matchups than 6-3 Jrue. Like, Kawhi is basically Jrue at 6-8. A far more fearsome defender.

Besides 36 year old chris paul, i have trouble thinking of a player he actually locked up/

[BUCKnation]

I can see opposing teams in the bonus with 9:00 left each quarter.

Perhaps the theory is the refs start to swallow the whistle at that point to help prevent the 3-hr game?

Could be rough to start but then you should see a pay off by the end of the game and, especially season, in theory

[BUCKnation]

Jrue is a great defender, but even a couple of years ago for us, he wasn't the perfect defender. He would often get cooked by those quick guards with range, like Trae, or anybody with more length.

[tedbrogen]

I can see opposing teams in the bonus with 9:00 left each quarter.

Perhaps the theory is the refs start to swallow the whistle at that point to help prevent the 3-hr game?

That’s was actually part of the Celtics and Heat strategy against the Bucks in recent postseasons. Hack Giannis anytime he gets near the hoop. Refs are not going to give Giannis like 50 free throws, so if you can survive the foul trouble, you get a bunch of free stops when the refs start to swallow the whistle.

Booker even employed that strategy against the Bucks in the finals. He knew he had a hard cap of five fouls the refs would call so he was free to do whatever at that point. Remember the legendary Booker eight fouls game.

[tedbrogen]

Pat’s presser today had something interesting in it. He mentioned he liked the offball movement Stotts has them doing. He likes the freedom to crash the glass and move around off ball instead of “being stuck in a box”.

The last part certainly seems to be a reference to Bud’s system and his known practice method of having taped squares on the floor and players required to stand in those when off ball.