Mavericks - 2023 Preseason (G4. Oct. 20 vs Pistons 7p.m CST)

[Bob8]

Tavares didn't play in Euroleague last week and he didn't play in ACB league yesterday, so he's probably out for game against Mavs.

[Mavrelous]

The O-rating with Lively on the floor is massively affected by the horrendous shooting.
I didn't think Lively is a starting material, I doubt he even is a rotation material the 1st year, but they are building on him and prioritizing his development.
They were 2 games filled with outliers that it's hard to take away from it, and they played a team with enormous size and athletecism, reminder that the Mavs always had troubles against the Wolves in RS, they barely beat them at home, and get destroyed by them on the road.
Wolves packed the lane, playing 2 centers, PF sized SF, and long and athletic SGs and Mavs couldn't hit a shot, any team will look aweful.

In the end is really simple. Lively doesn't bring anything in offensive part, this's not debatable. Playing with player like that will for sure lower your offensive rating, so he has to be very good in D to be playable, which Lively isn't. End it's not true that Lively played all the time against Gobert and Towns. He has played in second half against Wolves' reserves too and he didn't exactly dominate. Naz Reid looked like all star player in that second half.

I understand that Lively is a rookie and expectations are minimal, but people can't have those minimal expectations and expect that he can be a starter or have normal role in rotation and Mavs to be playoff team. The only chance for Mavs to make playoffs is if both rookies play as little as possible. Or we can develop rookies and explain how important is that for Mavs to Luka. Good luck with that. Kyrie won't be a problem, he will simply do his other activities instead of playing games.

I don't think he should be a starter, I don't think he should be regular rotation player, he needs to learn how to screen, not just in P&R but also on the drives which both Powell and Maxi master.
I do think for him to learn he should go through playing real NBA bigs, preseason is a great time for it.

[Bob8]

The O-rating with Lively on the floor is massively affected by the horrendous shooting.
I didn't think Lively is a starting material, I doubt he even is a rotation material the 1st year, but they are building on him and prioritizing his development.
They were 2 games filled with outliers that it's hard to take away from it, and they played a team with enormous size and athletecism, reminder that the Mavs always had troubles against the Wolves in RS, they barely beat them at home, and get destroyed by them on the road.
Wolves packed the lane, playing 2 centers, PF sized SF, and long and athletic SGs and Mavs couldn't hit a shot, any team will look aweful.

In the end is really simple. Lively doesn't bring anything in offensive part, this's not debatable. Playing with player like that will for sure lower your offensive rating, so he has to be very good in D to be playable, which Lively isn't. End it's not true that Lively played all the time against Gobert and Towns. He has played in second half against Wolves' reserves too and he didn't exactly dominate. Naz Reid looked like all star player in that second half.

I understand that Lively is a rookie and expectations are minimal, but people can't have those minimal expectations and expect that he can be a starter or have normal role in rotation and Mavs to be playoff team. The only chance for Mavs to make playoffs is if both rookies play as little as possible. Or we can develop rookies and explain how important is that for Mavs to Luka. Good luck with that. Kyrie won't be a problem, he will simply do his other activities instead of playing games.

I don't think he should be a starter, I don't think he should be regular rotation player, he needs to learn how to screen, not just in P&R but also on the drives which both Powell and Maxi master.
I do think for him to learn he should go through playing real NBA bigs, preseason is a great time for it.

I'm reading comments from people around Mavs and it looks to me Kidd will start him in RS too. I have never seen bar to be set so low for a starter.

[Teffer10]

In the end is really simple. Lively doesn't bring anything in offensive part, this's not debatable. Playing with player like that will for sure lower your offensive rating, so he has to be very good in D to be playable, which Lively isn't. End it's not true that Lively played all the time against Gobert and Towns. He has played in second half against Wolves' reserves too and he didn't exactly dominate. Naz Reid looked like all star player in that second half.

I understand that Lively is a rookie and expectations are minimal, but people can't have those minimal expectations and expect that he can be a starter or have normal role in rotation and Mavs to be playoff team. The only chance for Mavs to make playoffs is if both rookies play as little as possible. Or we can develop rookies and explain how important is that for Mavs to Luka. Good luck with that. Kyrie won't be a problem, he will simply do his other activities instead of playing games.

I don't think he should be a starter, I don't think he should be regular rotation player, he needs to learn how to screen, not just in P&R but also on the drives which both Powell and Maxi master.
I do think for him to learn he should go through playing real NBA bigs, preseason is a great time for it.

I'm reading comments from people around Mavs and it looks to me Kidd will start him in RS too. I have never seen bar to be set so low for a starter.

Maybe if they would have signed a player over 7 ft who can actually play center, they wouldnt have this predicament of limited alternatives. Instead they re-sign Powell as their plan B if Lively isnt ready and expect the problem to be fixed.

Right now, Lively isnt a better option than McGee and Wood is gone so we are worse off starting this season than last.

[Bob8]

I don't think he should be a starter, I don't think he should be regular rotation player, he needs to learn how to screen, not just in P&R but also on the drives which both Powell and Maxi master.
I do think for him to learn he should go through playing real NBA bigs, preseason is a great time for it.

I'm reading comments from people around Mavs and it looks to me Kidd will start him in RS too. I have never seen bar to be set so low for a starter.

Maybe if they would have signed a player over 7 ft who can actually play center, they wouldnt have this predicament of limited alternatives. Instead they re-sign Powell as their plan B if Lively isnt ready and expect the problem to be fixed.

Right now, Lively isnt a better option than McGee and Wood is gone so we are worse off starting this season than last.

Necessary improvement in D was mostly addressed with drafting 2 rookies, which is by definition as unrealistic as it can get. 1 totally not ready and probably won't ever be and second while showing some hope, a long way from being ready.

[Mavrelous]

Necessary improvement in D was mostly addressed with drafting 2 rookies, which is by definition as unrealistic as it can get. 1 totally not ready and probably won't ever be and second while showing some hope, a long way from being ready.

Grant Williams will replace Bullock in guarding big forwards, this is a huge improvement.
Kyrie/Green/Luka/Williams should be a healthy upgrade defensively over Newly acquired Kyrie/X/Injured and exhausted Luka/Bullock, when X changed all the time.

[Bob8]

Necessary improvement in D was mostly addressed with drafting 2 rookies, which is by definition as unrealistic as it can get. 1 totally not ready and probably won't ever be and second while showing some hope, a long way from being ready.

Grant Williams will replace Bullock in guarding big forwards, this is a huge improvement.
Kyrie/Green/Luka/Williams should be a healthy upgrade defensively over Newly acquired Kyrie/X/Injured and exhausted Luka/Bullock, when X changed all the time.

I said mostly addressed. Yes, Grant is for sure improvement, but the main problem, D in the paint and rebounding is still unaddressed.

Luka will be again exhausted in March, if it will be dogfight for every game in RS like last year.

And what about going forward, are we really waiting for Lively? He can easily be another WCS.

[Mavrelous]

And what about going forward, are we really waiting for Lively? He can easily be another WCS.

I would've traded for Ayton, but since they didn't, I think they are building on having ~35M expiring next year, 25/27 1sts and 26/28 swaps, to target a wing (OG for example), and if Lively doesn't pan out, a center also.
I think this roster is good enough to make the PO, I don't think the coaching is good enough though.

[arkuo]

And what about going forward, are we really waiting for Lively? He can easily be another WCS.

You will only find out in time.

Everybody thought Dennis Smith Jr would amount to something based on Summer League/Preseason. You know the rest.

[Bob8]

And what about going forward, are we really waiting for Lively? He can easily be another WCS.

You will only find out in time.

Everybody thought Dennis Smith Jr would amount to something based on Summer League/Preseason. You know the rest.

Situation was a bit different then, Mavs in rebuilding mode. DSJ just an experiment. Now we have top 5 player, all star player and we have used 12th pick for someone that might or might not be useful in 3-5 years? Something doesn't seem right.

[41Dirk41]

And what about going forward, are we really waiting for Lively? He can easily be another WCS.

You will only find out in time.

Everybody thought Dennis Smith Jr would amount to something based on Summer League/Preseason. You know the rest.

Situation was a bit different then, Mavs in rebuilding mode. DSJ just an experiment. Now we have top 5 player, all star player and we have used 12th pick for someone that might or might not be useful in 3-5 years? Something doesn't seem right.

They don't know what they do... Cuban is just a moron and Harrison has 0 experience.
Those are mistakes made by new FOs who have to learn how to work.

Anyway, for me, Lively is way ahead than i expected from a 20minutes 5+5 college guy but unfortunately it's not enough to have a significant impact right now.

We will be a Powell starter C team forever

[BliscoSantos]

You will only find out in time.

Everybody thought Dennis Smith Jr would amount to something based on Summer League/Preseason. You know the rest.

Situation was a bit different then, Mavs in rebuilding mode. DSJ just an experiment. Now we have top 5 player, all star player and we have used 12th pick for someone that might or might not be useful in 3-5 years? Something doesn't seem right.

They don't know what they do... Cuban is just a moron and Harrison has 0 experience.
Those are mistakes made by new FOs who have to learn how to work.

Anyway, for me, Lively is way ahead than i expected from a 20minutes 5+5 college guy but unfortunately it's not enough to have a significant impact right now.

We will be a Powell starter C team forever

Yeah,I Don't get how Powell is a starter and Cousins can't even get a Job in the NBA..I mean neither is good on D,but one is far superior on O ...it wouldn't hurt if the Mavs at least invited Cousins to try out,I could actually see him work out well with Luka,Kai,Grant,Green....he'd ve a minimum Guy but he could give you more than Dwight in15-20 minutes

[fuller4379]

One again Powell is the game standout with a +/- of +11 over 7 minutes, 2 crucial points, and 2 crucial rebounds.

[Dirk]

Game of the season right here. Can't lose to Real Madrid and be embarrassed when it's such a big game for them.

[BliscoSantos]

Kyrie sitting out against Real Madrid... that's second consecutive game he's gonna miss (first one he played 15 minutes)...how are they planing to build chemistry if he isn't playing...what,are they gonna figure it out during regular season when every game is a must win...I don't get it...the Mavs season ended in april,he played pickup games during Summer but in the preseason not even 15-20 min...I have a bad filling about this season...seems ESPN 's projection of 41 wins and 9th place is Just about right

[41Dirk41]

One again Powell is the game standout with a +/- of +11 over 7 minutes, 2 crucial points, and 2 crucial rebounds.

He definitely deserved a starting spot for a contender... trade him

[41Dirk41]

Kyrie sitting out against Real Madrid... that's second consecutive game he's gonna miss (first one he played 15 minutes)...how are they planing to build chemistry if he isn't playing...what,are they gonna figure it out during regular season when every game is a must win...I don't get it...the Mavs season ended in april,he played pickup games during Summer but in the preseason not even 15-20 min...I have a bad filling about this season...seems ESPN 's projection of 41 wins and 9th place is Just about right

How are they build chemistry if Kidd doesn't know our S5

[Archx]

Kyrie sitting out against Real Madrid... that's second consecutive game he's gonna miss (first one he played 15 minutes)...how are they planing to build chemistry if he isn't playing...what,are they gonna figure it out during regular season when every game is a must win...I don't get it...the Mavs season ended in april,he played pickup games during Summer but in the preseason not even 15-20 min...I have a bad filling about this season...seems ESPN 's projection of 41 wins and 9th place is Just about right

How are they build chemistry if Kidd doesn't know our S5

Did you forget about last season? Even at the all star break, i had no clue what Mavs best lineup or starting 5 actually was

Apparently Kidd thinks building chemistry with Luka and Kyrie will come through practice and not real games.



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[Teffer10]

We gotta find a way to get Capela or get involved in a 3 way in the Harden to Clips deal to net Zubac.

Zubac isnt the ideal center but he is big and mobile and does a little bit of everything. Plus, he fits the Lively timeline.

[Archx]

Surely better hope than Powell, right?

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