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Preseason Game 1: Bulls at Bucks - 10/8/23 - Noon - BSWI - Giannis/Khris/Dame OUT

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Re: Preseason Game 1: Bulls at Bucks - 10/8/23 - Noon - BSWI - Giannis/Khris/Dame OUT 

Post#401 » by jimmybones » Mon Oct 9, 2023 4:41 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Preference would be Marjon with the starting-5 and then let AJJ run with the bench unit. You have the whole season for things to work themselves out, so I'm not gonna sweat who's where on the opening day roster. Could be Beasley for all I care and despite the fact that'd clearly rile up some posters here, I don't think it really means anything.
I think MarJon starting does take advantage of everyone's skills the best with Pat and Beasley spacing the 2nd unit and AJJ tying everything together. MarJon just has to be able to hit his wide open 3s and not forget to dribble before he drives on the closeout.

It depends if Griffin goes for Denver mode with the starters together most of the time or Bud mode with 2 of the big 3 on court together as much as possible. I would like to see the Denver mode for a while and see the on/off stats go through the roof.


I vote stagger because I want to see Khris cook with a second unit and always have one of our big 3 on the floor to put 48 minutes of pressure on the opposing defense
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Re: Preseason Game 1: Bulls at Bucks - 10/8/23 - Noon - BSWI - Giannis/Khris/Dame OUT 

Post#402 » by midranger » Mon Oct 9, 2023 4:46 pm

Hear me out.

Dame ball handler
AJJ as screener/roller
Giannis in dunker spot

Those quick reads and dump off passes AJJ loves to make could be lethal to Giannis prowling the baseline or Khris in the corner (if he can immediately finish himself)
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Post#403 » by crkone » Mon Oct 9, 2023 4:52 pm

midranger wrote:Hear me out.

Dame ball handler
AJJ as screener/roller
Giannis in dunker spot

Those quick reads and dump off passes AJJ loves to make could be lethal to Giannis prowling the baseline or Khris in the corner (if he can immediately finish himself)
Or Khris and MarJon in the corners with Giannis and Lopez screening in a horns look.

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Post#404 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Oct 9, 2023 4:58 pm

Everything I saw from AJJ yesterday just further reinforces my stance that he's better running with the second unit where he can be more impactful offensively with the ball in his hands more. He doesn't have to start to be a Top-8 rotation guy.
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Re: Preseason Game 1: Bulls at Bucks - 10/8/23 - Noon - BSWI - Giannis/Khris/Dame OUT 

Post#405 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Mon Oct 9, 2023 4:59 pm

midranger wrote:Hear me out.

Dame ball handler
AJJ as screener/roller
Giannis in dunker spot

Those quick reads and dump off passes AJJ loves to make could be lethal to Giannis prowling the baseline or Khris in the corner (if he can immediately finish himself)

I know Giannis gets more attention than say a prime DeAndre Jordan but he was getting 12 points a game off-vaguely contested dunks. If Giannis can add 3-4 easy baskets in the half-court off of dimes from others, it would be huge. He would still be getting upper 20s in points but on higher efficiency and less wear/tear.
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Post#406 » by skbucks1985 » Mon Oct 9, 2023 6:11 pm

I watched it this morning and I was really paying attention to 4, kinda 5, people: Marjon, AJJ, Crowder, Beasley and RoLo. Because we know what we're getting with Brook, Bobby and Pat. With RoLo I was mostly just seeing if he was completely washed up and couldn't even fill in the Meyers Leonard role and he passed that low threshold. If Brook gets a minor injury or is in early foul trouble we can put RoLo in and it won't completely fall apart.

With Crowder I wanted to see if he got matched onto DeRozan or Lavine at all. He's obviously not going to be the starting SG but him being in the closing lineup against Boston defending Brown is not the craziest idea. Other than that he looked okay and didn't look out of shape or winded or anything like that.

I know Griffin's comments about Beasley's defense made some people's ears perk up. But I don't think it means much. Beasley has a shooting pedigree that the guys he's competing with can't touch and if he plays adequate defense there's probably a lot of minutes available to him. I thought defensively he was just that, adequate. Otherwise he looked like the player I'd seen and his reputation said he was.

I really liked what I saw out of AJJ. Yeah he doesn't have a 3-pt shot but DeRozan is still a really skilled offensive player and a young guy playing against him could easily get killed but AJJ stuck him to like glue and forced him into a couple bad shots and forced him to give it up once when he was looking to drive. There's lots of reasons to be skeptical about getting past his glaring weakness, but he showed a little bit of being able to make teams pay if they're going to completely cheat off him.

Marjon showed some bad and some good. He still doesn't look like the game has totally slowed down for him yet. Some of what happened with him I can shrug aside because he was having the offense run through him at points and that's not going to happen during the season in any real way. But I still think he made some rotational mistakes that I'd hoped he'd have worked through by now. His FT's at the end were huge though. If he does end up playing major minutes and find himself in closing lineups, in must-foul situations we'll probably see teams sell out to prevent Dame from getting the ball, Khris will be the second option and if they close him off then it might be Marjon taking those shots.
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Post#407 » by Brewhoopfan » Mon Oct 9, 2023 6:49 pm

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AussieBuck wrote:I'm assuming the Beasley comment to mean he's the presumptive starter and that he'll have to guard the PG when they are the best guard because Dame is too important for that ****.

Seems to me if that's the case (and SG role) we'll have Marjon starting after not long.


My thoughts exactly, unless it clicks for him.

As soon as I heard he'll cover the best guy on a nightly basis, Griff is starting him.

Beasely was a better fit with Jrue, now he's a better fit with AJJ off the bench.


The Beasley comment was Coach Griffin sending him a message about the role needed. IE - This is what he'll need to do to play, or more directly: Play defense or sit on the bench.
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Post#408 » by Ayt » Mon Oct 9, 2023 6:59 pm

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How does Adrian Griffin not see himself in this dude?
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Post#409 » by SirChurros » Mon Oct 9, 2023 7:04 pm

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theFireBlanket wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:I'm assuming the Beasley comment to mean he's the presumptive starter and that he'll have to guard the PG when they are the best guard because Dame is too important for that ****.

Seems to me if that's the case (and SG role) we'll have Marjon starting after not long.


My thoughts exactly, unless it clicks for him.

As soon as I heard he'll cover the best guy on a nightly basis, Griff is starting him.

Beasely was a better fit with Jrue, now he's a better fit with AJJ off the bench.


The Beasley comment was Coach Griffin sending him a message about the role needed. IE - This is what he'll need to do to play, or more directly: Play defense or sit on the bench.

Or maybe he’s a coach with a fresh perspective and thinks Beasley can be an impact guy on defense.
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Post#410 » by bucksfansince88 » Mon Oct 9, 2023 7:30 pm

midranger wrote:Hear me out.

Dame ball handler
AJJ as screener/roller
Giannis in dunker spot

Those quick reads and dump off passes AJJ loves to make could be lethal to Giannis prowling the baseline or Khris in the corner (if he can immediately finish himself)


Stotts and Prunty are probably already cooking this up!
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Post#411 » by RogerMurdock » Mon Oct 9, 2023 9:37 pm

emunney wrote:My first question is whether Coach Griffin would have played Player Griffin.


He would've played Peter Griffin because Peter knows how to exploit a defense.

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Post#412 » by crowhead76 » Mon Oct 9, 2023 10:06 pm

skbucks1985 wrote:I watched it this morning and I was really paying attention to 4, kinda 5, people: Marjon, AJJ, Crowder, Beasley and RoLo. Because we know what we're getting with Brook, Bobby and Pat. With RoLo I was mostly just seeing if he was completely washed up and couldn't even fill in the Meyers Leonard role and he passed that low threshold. If Brook gets a minor injury or is in early foul trouble we can put RoLo in and it won't completely fall apart.

With Crowder I wanted to see if he got matched onto DeRozan or Lavine at all. He's obviously not going to be the starting SG but him being in the closing lineup against Boston defending Brown is not the craziest idea. Other than that he looked okay and didn't look out of shape or winded or anything like that.

I know Griffin's comments about Beasley's defense made some people's ears perk up. But I don't think it means much. Beasley has a shooting pedigree that the guys he's competing with can't touch and if he plays adequate defense there's probably a lot of minutes available to him. I thought defensively he was just that, adequate. Otherwise he looked like the player I'd seen and his reputation said he was.

I really liked what I saw out of AJJ. Yeah he doesn't have a 3-pt shot but DeRozan is still a really skilled offensive player and a young guy playing against him could easily get killed but AJJ stuck him to like glue and forced him into a couple bad shots and forced him to give it up once when he was looking to drive. There's lots of reasons to be skeptical about getting past his glaring weakness, but he showed a little bit of being able to make teams pay if they're going to completely cheat off him.

Marjon showed some bad and some good. He still doesn't look like the game has totally slowed down for him yet. Some of what happened with him I can shrug aside because he was having the offense run through him at points and that's not going to happen during the season in any real way. But I still think he made some rotational mistakes that I'd hoped he'd have worked through by now. His FT's at the end were huge though. If he does end up playing major minutes and find himself in closing lineups, in must-foul situations we'll probably see teams sell out to prevent Dame from getting the ball, Khris will be the second option and if they close him off then it might be Marjon taking those shots.




I did think it was difficult to judge Beasley on defense yesterday, he had Lavine for most of his minutes and Lavine really just seemed to be going through the motions on most possessions, just trying to get his legs under him. Beasley did seem to be in the right place most of the time, I think I saw a few instances where he got caught ball watching.

I think when AJJ came in and fouled DeRozan, it was almost a challenge to him to up his intensity, he wanted to guard him and did not want Demar to be taking plays off. AJ's intensity seemed to wake Crowder up a bit as well. I realize for most of these veterans these preseason games are more of a walk through but it was nice to see AJJ come in and want to really play. Also, I think Giannis finishes that alley oop attempt.
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Post#413 » by vegaspacker » Mon Oct 9, 2023 11:45 pm

Where was Midds last night? I caught everyone else on the sidelines.

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Post#415 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:56 pm

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midranger wrote:Hear me out.

Dame ball handler
AJJ as screener/roller
Giannis in dunker spot

Those quick reads and dump off passes AJJ loves to make could be lethal to Giannis prowling the baseline or Khris in the corner (if he can immediately finish himself)

I know Giannis gets more attention than say a prime DeAndre Jordan but he was getting 12 points a game off-vaguely contested dunks. If Giannis can add 3-4 easy baskets in the half-court off of dimes from others, it would be huge. He would still be getting upper 20s in points but on higher efficiency and less wear/tear.


the 2 best aspects of having dame, and they will be huge is.....

giannis will shoot less 3's... like i could literally see it falling to 1-2 a game max
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late game really all game.....giannis wont be initiating as much which should cut down on fts and his usage dynamically both raising his and the teams efficiency

the two things giannis does really inefficiently is shooting 3's and fts. we needed a player that could not only hold him accountable for some of the stupid shots and forced drives he takes but also remove the burden of a giannis possession resulting in fts being a good half court possession...... a possession where he feels like he has to do something forced for the team or nothing else good is going to happen. i think thats going to be dames role exclusively now
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Post#416 » by nagawicka » Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:42 pm

Matches Malone wrote:I honestly can't tell if it's just because it's preseason or if Thansis has actually kind of sorta maybe developed a bit and seems kinda nice on defense. Am I in hell?!

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Post#417 » by nagawicka » Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:43 pm

Neuromancer56 wrote:
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H2tObes wrote:Beasley won't be the starter, clear role for him off the bench as a guy who throws up 3's with the bench unit and takes pressure off our halfcourt offense. Doesn't make sense at all next to Dame


If I had to base it completely off of what I have seen so far it will probably be Beasley based on his ability to defend the 2. If you are comfortable with Crowder defending the 2, it is also possible you see him.

The argument is for either Marjon or Pat as starter.

I don't want to ever see Marjon or Pat starting at the 2. That's malpractice.
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Post#418 » by nagawicka » Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:45 pm

RiotPunch wrote:Point Bobby not the answer.

Point Giannis cost us one if not two titles.
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Post#419 » by nagawicka » Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:09 pm

BadWolf wrote:So TyTy isn't a great find.


dunno, at 8:28 of the highlight reel he nabs a fantastic pass from AJJ on the fast break but instead of slammin it home himself, TyTy drops a sweeeet pass to Beauchamp to slam. He passsed the ball. Which is a solid step better than certain imposters who insist on bringing the ball up, playing 'point guard', pass to nowhere & pass straight outta bounds (see last series), but can't seem to run a play or pass the ball to beat the D--as is standard on teams that play winning basketball.

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Post#420 » by RiotPunch » Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:58 pm

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RiotPunch wrote:Point Bobby not the answer.

Point Giannis cost us one if not two titles.

Are you just trolling at this point? :crazy:
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