Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

LoveMyRaps · Post #301 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 12:30 am

WuTang_OG wrote:Best thing for scottie was for that shytty ball hog leaving

He definitely hindered growth Scottie's growth.

Killed me when Fred had the audacity to call Scottie his "project".

KP730 · Post #302 » by **KP730** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 12:42 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Best thing for scottie was for that shytty ball hog leaving

He definitely hindered growth Scottie's growth.

Killed me when Fred had the audacity to call Scottie his "project".

Scottie ready to take a BIG step up this season

despite certain skillset limitations (shooting), he clearly had the ability to bully his way to scoring almost at will last year….he did it ALL the time in the 4th quarter, when opposing defences are MOST on point. main issue was his ability to do that all game…seemed like a stamina/conditioning/mindset thing…

the fact that Scottie brought up conditioning as a focus this last off season specifically so he can dominate like that all game…looks like he put in right kind of work and has the mindset to step up and dominate this season

will · Post #303 » by **will** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 12:49 am

WuTang_OG wrote:Best thing for scottie was for that shytty ball hog leaving

shyvvy

djsunyc · Post #304 » by **djsunyc** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 1:55 am

scottie bullies guys without lowering his shoulder - like lebron.
refs won't be able to call an offensive foul on him b/c of it.
once he realizes he can bulldoze guys to the basket 9 out of 10 times, it's over. he won't even need a 3 point shot at that point.

Ackshun · Post #305 » by **Ackshun** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:11 am

djsunyc wrote:scottie bullies guys without lowering his shoulder - like lebron.
refs won't be able to call an offensive foul on him b/c of it.
once he realizes he can bulldoze guys to the basket 9 out of 10 times, it's over. he won't even need a 3 point shot at that point.

For real.

Definitely see an uptick on those 3 free throw attempts per game.

Demar was taking 5 FTA in his second season, eventually 6 here. Giannis is in the double digits nowadays.. Not to compare them since Giannis is much more efficient around the rim in general but it’s interesting to see.

Courtside · Post #306 » by **Courtside** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:52 am

KP730 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Best thing for scottie was for that shytty ball hog leaving

He definitely hindered growth Scottie's growth.

Killed me when Fred had the audacity to call Scottie his "project".

Scottie ready to take a BIG step up this season

despite certain skillset limitations (shooting), he clearly had the ability to bully his way to scoring almost at will last year….he did it ALL the time in the 4th quarter, when opposing defences are MOST on point. main issue was his ability to do that all game…seemed like a stamina/conditioning/mindset thing…

the fact that Scottie brought up conditioning as a focus this last off season specifically so he can dominate like that all game…looks like he put in right kind of work and has the mindset to step up and dominate this season

In those games where he seemed to come alove in the 4th quarters, I kinda feel like he was playing rope-a-dope for most of the game, getting the other team to think he's more interested in passing than scoring, and then bam, he starts asserting himself, and with more ease than normal because the defense has been spending the game defending his passing. It's very clever, but the fact that he seemed to just expect success at it. Being a good closer or clutch player doesn't come to most players. If that **** is just engrained for him, then the league will have to adjust everything they think about him, and the Raptors.

TNRaps4life · Post #307 » by **TNRaps4life** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:28 am

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Post #308 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 12:57 pm

djsunyc wrote:scottie bullies guys without lowering his shoulder - like lebron.
refs won't be able to call an offensive foul on him b/c of it.
once he realizes he can bulldoze guys to the basket 9 out of 10 times, it's over. he won't even need a 3 point shot at that point.

Learning how to use his body will be a very important development, because he does have awesome physical tools.

WuTang_CMB · Post #309 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 1:38 pm

A big step was getting his mechanics improved - which so far seems to be the case. Closer to 90 degree shooting arm than before and most importantly less hitch on that shot. Seems to be smoother. Guide hand also seems to be corrected - now just needs more reps

I dont even care about the 3's - but he's taking them which is a plus. But if he can hit those mid range shots going downhill , or in different Darko sets - thats major and will open his drive game up.

OakleyDokely · Post #310 » by **OakleyDokely** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 1:45 pm

One of Scottie's biggest issues has always been maintaining his aggression throughout entire games. How many times last years did we see him completely take over the 4th Q and put up like 12/5/5 in the last 6 minutes of the game after being completely invisible for most of it. He's so strong and solid around the rim that just being aggressive will get him a bunch of points in the paint off rebounds, put backs and free throws because most NBA players can't body up with him, especially when teams have a wing on him. He could put up something like 20 / 8 / 6 without much of a jumper if he just played at a high pace all game. A consistent jumper would take him to a whole other level.

hyper316 · Post #311 » by **hyper316** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 1:53 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:One of Scottie's biggest issues has always been maintaining his aggression throughout entire games. How many times last years did we see him completely take over the 4th Q and put up like 12/5/5 in the last 6 minutes of the game after being completely invisible for most of it. He's so strong and solid around the rim that just being aggressive will get him a bunch of points in the paint off rebounds, put backs and free throws because most NBA players can't body up with him, especially when teams have a wing on him. He could put up something like 20 / 8 / 6 without much of a jumper if he just played at a high pace all game. A consistent jumper would take him to a whole other level.

Ball movement and lack of pecking order will unleash Scottie

TorontoBarneys · Post #312 » by **TorontoBarneys** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:08 pm

I'm also eyeing something like 20/8/6 from him this season. It should be well within his ability to reach.

Johnny Bball · Post #313 » by **Johnny Bball** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:32 pm

hyper316 wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:One of Scottie's biggest issues has always been maintaining his aggression throughout entire games. How many times last years did we see him completely take over the 4th Q and put up like 12/5/5 in the last 6 minutes of the game after being completely invisible for most of it. He's so strong and solid around the rim that just being aggressive will get him a bunch of points in the paint off rebounds, put backs and free throws because most NBA players can't body up with him, especially when teams have a wing on him. He could put up something like 20 / 8 / 6 without much of a jumper if he just played at a high pace all game. A consistent jumper would take him to a whole other level.

Ball movement and lack of pecking order will unleash Scottie

There is alwasy a pecking order. On every single NBA team that has ever been. It is not a Toronto term. Barnes is just moving up on it.

PhilBlackson · Post #314 » by **PhilBlackson** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:32 pm

TNRaps4life wrote:

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Tony been a real one.

I'm not just saying that because he says this lol but I always loved what a dog he was. He was everything Beverly thought he was. Love how much he used to attack dudes defensively, he was relentless.

PoundTown · Post #315 » by **PoundTown** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:36 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:One of Scottie's biggest issues has always been maintaining his aggression throughout entire games. How many times last years did we see him completely take over the 4th Q and put up like 12/5/5 in the last 6 minutes of the game after being completely invisible for most of it. He's so strong and solid around the rim that just being aggressive will get him a bunch of points in the paint off rebounds, put backs and free throws because most NBA players can't body up with him, especially when teams have a wing on him. He could put up something like 20 / 8 / 6 without much of a jumper if he just played at a high pace all game. A consistent jumper would take him to a whole other level.

You’re absolutely right. He needs to watch Giannis play and realize the main reason Giannis is great is his absolute relentlessness powering his way to the hoop all game long and his never wavering motor in every aspect of the game. He is still a sub par shooter as a top 2 player in the league. Scottie has similar physical tools that will allow him to do similar things as Giannis if he can show the will to bulldoze people at least 10 times a game.

Chandan · Post #316 » by **Chandan** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:45 pm

they really **** kept a ballhog hobbit and hindered Scottie's growth for 1 year.

tdotrep2 · Post #317 » by **tdotrep2** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:49 pm

Chandan wrote:they really **** kept a ballhog hobbit and hindered Scottie's growth for 1 year.

kept him and made sure he got a big contract at the young guys expense, disaster.

Fairview4Life · Post #318 » by **Fairview4Life** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:52 pm

Kind of crazy that a second year player has never stagnated or taken a step back in NBA history. We should come up with a name for it. The second year swoon maybe.

Post #319 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:23 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:Kind of crazy that a second year player has never stagnated or taken a step back in NBA history. We should come up with a name for it. The second year swoon maybe.

Underperforming underclassman.

Los_29 · Post #320 » by **Los_29** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:25 pm

Chandan wrote:they really **** kept a ballhog hobbit and hindered Scottie's growth for 1 year.

Fred was on the team in Scottie’s rookie season. A season in which he won ROTY.

Only person to blame for his struggles is himself. No excuses. I’m optimistic he will rebound in a big way though. Need that efficiency to be way higher. Can’t have a non-shooter at his size with a TS% of 52%.