Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[nate33]

My latest:

Knicks trade Fourner (team option)+future Wizards 1st (currently top 12 protected in 2024, top 10 protected 2025, top 8 protected 2026, if not conveyed, then converts to Wiz 2026 2nd & Wiz 2027 2nd) for Olynyk (expiring)+Gallo (expiring)

Wizards trade: Johnny Davis for Fourner (team option for 2025)+their pick back

Jazz trade: Olynyk (expiring) for Johnny Davis

Why for the Knicks?
1). That future Wiz pick probably doesn't convey as they will be terrible for the foreseeable future. They decide to beef up and get some needed stretch bigs in Gallo & Olynyk (who both are expiring).

Why for the Jazz?
1). With Collins, Lauri, and Kessler, Olynyk is going to be the 4th big. They take a chance on a former #10 overall pick while also saving roughly 7.1 million in real cash (difference in salary of Olynyk vs Davis).

Why for the Wizards?
1). They get their pick back which allows future flexibility in trades. With Poole entrenched as the SG for the foreseeable future, Bilal as a recent 1st rounder by the new regime, they have no loyalty to Davis (who was drafted by fired GM Tommy Shepard). They can use Fournier in future trades potentially as well if they pick up his team option.

I like it!

[mhd]

My latest:

Knicks trade Fourner (team option)+future Wizards 1st (currently top 12 protected in 2024, top 10 protected 2025, top 8 protected 2026, if not conveyed, then converts to Wiz 2026 2nd & Wiz 2027 2nd) for Olynyk (expiring)+Gallo (expiring)

Wizards trade: Johnny Davis for Fourner (team option for 2025)+their pick back

Jazz trade: Olynyk (expiring) for Johnny Davis

Why for the Knicks?
1). That future Wiz pick probably doesn't convey as they will be terrible for the foreseeable future. They decide to beef up and get some needed stretch bigs in Gallo & Olynyk (who both are expiring).

Why for the Jazz?
1). With Collins, Lauri, and Kessler, Olynyk is going to be the 4th big. They take a chance on a former #10 overall pick while also saving roughly 7.1 million in real cash (difference in salary of Olynyk vs Davis).

Why for the Wizards?
1). They get their pick back which allows future flexibility in trades. With Poole entrenched as the SG for the foreseeable future, Bilal as a recent 1st rounder by the new regime, they have no loyalty to Davis (who was drafted by fired GM Tommy Shepard). They can use Fournier in future trades potentially as well if they pick up his team option.

I like it!

Question is if Cheapskate Turd would sign off on paying roughly 13.8 million more for this move. Hopefully Winger, Dawkins, and Schlenk could convince him. Fournier also helps us reach the salary floor next year if we wanted to keep for some odd reason.

[nate33]

My latest:

Knicks trade Fourner (team option)+future Wizards 1st (currently top 12 protected in 2024, top 10 protected 2025, top 8 protected 2026, if not conveyed, then converts to Wiz 2026 2nd & Wiz 2027 2nd) for Olynyk (expiring)+Gallo (expiring)

Wizards trade: Johnny Davis for Fourner (team option for 2025)+their pick back

Jazz trade: Olynyk (expiring) for Johnny Davis

Why for the Knicks?
1). That future Wiz pick probably doesn't convey as they will be terrible for the foreseeable future. They decide to beef up and get some needed stretch bigs in Gallo & Olynyk (who both are expiring).

Why for the Jazz?
1). With Collins, Lauri, and Kessler, Olynyk is going to be the 4th big. They take a chance on a former #10 overall pick while also saving roughly 7.1 million in real cash (difference in salary of Olynyk vs Davis).

Why for the Wizards?
1). They get their pick back which allows future flexibility in trades. With Poole entrenched as the SG for the foreseeable future, Bilal as a recent 1st rounder by the new regime, they have no loyalty to Davis (who was drafted by fired GM Tommy Shepard). They can use Fournier in future trades potentially as well if they pick up his team option.

I like it!

Question is if Cheapskate Turd would sign off on paying roughly 13.8 million more for this move. Hopefully Winger, Dawkins, and Schlenk could convince him. Fournier also helps us reach the salary floor next year if we wanted to keep for some odd reason.

The biggest question is whether or not the Knicks consider the upgrade from Fournier to Olynyk + Gallinari to be worth the loss of two second round picks.

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Right... & I can't really see it.

[nate33]

Right... & I can't really see it.

Gallo would have to play real well in November and December.

[doclinkin]

Question is if Cheapskate Turd would sign off on paying roughly 13.8 million more for this move. Hopefully Winger, Dawkins, and Schlenk could convince him. Fournier also helps us reach the salary floor next year if we wanted to keep for some odd reason.

French speaking veteran mentor for Bilal?

[Hibachi_0]

Seems like Kai Jones has requested a trade. Do you think we could take a chance with him? Doesn't seem to be very stable right now but with the Hornets trying to compete maybe they would take a couple of vets. And we don't have much to lose either.

[Rafael122]

Seems like Kai Jones has requested a trade. Do you think we could take a chance with him? Doesn't seem to be very stable right now but with the Hornets trying to compete maybe they would take a couple of vets. And we don't have much to lose either.

I think he's going through some mental health issues.

[wewillnevertank]

This is less of a trade suggestion and more of a wish list of young, underappreciated players I'd like to see us target in future trades (if they're made available):

Tre Mann: Dynamic scorer on a loaded OKC roster that will eventually have to make some tough decisions about who they want to invest in long term. Mann could be the odd man out. Stylistically, I love his fit next to Poole.

Tari Eason: Tari was the guy I thought we should've targeted instead of Davis in last year's draft. Despite limited minutes, Tari flashed a lot of the two-way talent that made him a tantalizing prospect at LSU. Houston vastly underutilized him as a rookie, and with Dillon Brooks now in the fold, his role might shrink even more.

Marvin Bagley: Recognizing my recency bias here is solely based on his outburst of a preseason game, but he looks the part of a starting center far more than Gafford does in my opinion. And he's still relatively young. Detroit has already made a long-term commitment to Isaiah Stewart, and Jalen Duren looks poised to be a long-term piece there. Bagley may not stretch the floor the way you want a modern 5 to, but I have a lot more faith in his ability to not get outmuscled than any of our bigs.

Jake LaRavia: Memphis wins the award for deepest rotation at the 4 in the league. They have an embarrassment of riches, and some young player is going to get shafted because of it. I think it'll likely be LaRavia -- a playmaking 4 with a lot of skills that complement Kuz.

Cole Anthony: With Orlando's massive logjam at PG, Cole Anthony is likely the odd person out. He's really more of an undersized 2 than a pure point, but as the kids say, he's got that "dog" in him. He's a competitive young guy we could bring in as a future 6th man/instant O contributor.

[popper]

I'm out of DMV area and unable to watch the Wiz. I've heard if I buy a TV box and download the right IPTV package then I can watch the relevant local channels. Does anyone know which IPTV package includes the DMV channels?

[payitforward]

This is less of a trade suggestion and more of a wish list of young, underappreciated players I'd like to see us target in future trades (if they're made available):

Tre Mann: Dynamic scorer on a loaded OKC roster that will eventually have to make some tough decisions about who they want to invest in long term. Mann could be the odd man out. Stylistically, I love his fit next to Poole.

Tari Eason: Tari was the guy I thought we should've targeted instead of Davis in last year's draft. Despite limited minutes, Tari flashed a lot of the two-way talent that made him a tantalizing prospect at LSU. Houston vastly underutilized him as a rookie, and with Dillon Brooks now in the fold, his role might shrink even more.

Marvin Bagley: Recognizing my recency bias here is solely based on his outburst of a preseason game, but he looks the part of a starting center far more than Gafford does in my opinion. And he's still relatively young. Detroit has already made a long-term commitment to Isaiah Stewart, and Jalen Duren looks poised to be a long-term piece there. Bagley may not stretch the floor the way you want a modern 5 to, but I have a lot more faith in his ability to not get outmuscled than any of our bigs.

Jake LaRavia: Memphis wins the award for deepest rotation at the 4 in the league. They have an embarrassment of riches, and some young player is going to get shafted because of it. I think it'll likely be LaRavia -- a playmaking 4 with a lot of skills that complement Kuz.

Cole Anthony: With Orlando's massive logjam at PG, Cole Anthony is likely the odd person out. He's really more of an undersized 2 than a pure point, but as the kids say, he's got that "dog" in him. He's a competitive young guy we could bring in as a future 6th man/instant O contributor.

Tre Mann has had two very bad years in the league. I can't get behind the idea.

The board overall was very high on Tari Eason -- especially doclinkin (with me in his train). I sincerely doubt Houston lets him go, alas.

A lot of the board also liked LaRavia -- he didn't play much as a rookie, but he was very bad when he did get on the floor.

Cole Anthony had a really bad rookie year, then improved some in his second season & even more last year. He'd be a good get at the right price, IMO.

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I'm out of DMV area and unable to watch the Wiz. I've heard if I buy a TV box and download the right IPTV package then I can watch the relevant local channels. Does anyone know which IPTV package includes the DMV channels?

Can you get a package via NBA TV...???

[popper]

I'm out of DMV area and unable to watch the Wiz. I've heard if I buy a TV box and download the right IPTV package then I can watch the relevant local channels. Does anyone know which IPTV package includes the DMV channels?

Can you get a package via NBA TV...???

I can but a streaming IPTV package should be a fraction of the cost and allow me to watch the Commanders as well.

[doclinkin]

I'm out of DMV area and unable to watch the Wiz. I've heard if I buy a TV box and download the right IPTV package then I can watch the relevant local channels. Does anyone know which IPTV package includes the DMV channels?

Can you get a package via NBA TV...???

I can but a streaming IPTV package should be a fraction of the cost and allow me to watch the Commanders as well.

The new Monumental set up looks like it will be fun. Direct streaming of the games, even able to simply buy the games you want directly, with the added bonus of being able to choose the camera angles you want, slo-mo replay, etc. Me I find free streams broadcast on questionable sites, or watch a replay, but on some games I might opt to buy it just to watch feeds from choice angles.

[nate33]

This is the first season in years where I might consider purchasing games instead of watching shady streams. Up until now, I was totally unconvinced that Ted had any interest whatsoever in fielding a competitive team.

[doclinkin]

Tari Eason: Tari was the guy I thought we should've targeted instead of Davis in last year's draft. Despite limited minutes, Tari flashed a lot of the two-way talent that made him a tantalizing prospect at LSU. Houston vastly underutilized him as a rookie, and with Dillon Brooks now in the fold, his role might shrink even more.

PIF mentioned it but Eason was my guy. The only caution I had on him was that for some reason EVERY team had him way down their list, which made me wonder if there was something that raised questions in a background check. My 1st choice solution was to trade back and take him down a few slots while picking up an asset later on. (I wanted EJ Liddell --off Brad Beal's AAU team. Christian Koloko --big who defended out to the 3 pt line. Dalen Terry -- attitude boost, forward with a bit of a handle and vision. Jury is out on these three).

If I had to pick, absent intel, I wanted AJ Griffin. Or Mark Williams if Griffin was taken. Either would have been a good choice.

So I can't quite count Tari Eason as my success, since I didn't have to stones to go with my instinct. That instinct said he would be the player every team would kick themselves about not taking. So far it looks like Walker Kessler was that guy, but there is still time And I agree with PIF that Houston is not trading him.

As for my under the radar trade targets. A few Bigs have caught my attention that just might be gettable.

Luka Garza has shown remarkable efficiency, in limited minutes behind KAT and Gobert. Could be one of those small sample size all stars you see with numbers swollen by garbage time minutes. I'm still curious.

Nick Richards. While we have his clone in Gafford, is poised to break out, showing interesting stat improvements in his young career. Gafford I like, Richards though has improved his FT% every year, which is a sneaky indicator of a gym rat with a determined nature. You only get better at FTs by putting in work and keeping a steely mind.

Santi Aldama as a ranged forward, though I don't think he is on the market. He's toolsy and has shown he can play at this level.

Xavier Tillman as a savvy glue guy center but they just re-upped him. Below the rim positional defense, smarts, screening, picks. Solid in ways that don't strictly show in his own box score stats.

[mhd]

This is the first season in years where I might consider purchasing games instead of watching shady streams. Up until now, I was totally unconvinced that Ted had any interest whatsoever in fielding a competitive team.

I’d highly recommend League Pass online. It’s 99 dollars for the whole season. Plus, you can watch the away feed just so you don’t have to listen to god awful Chris Miller.

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Tari Eason: Tari was the guy I thought we should've targeted instead of Davis in last year's draft. Despite limited minutes, Tari flashed a lot of the two-way talent that made him a tantalizing prospect at LSU. Houston vastly underutilized him as a rookie, and with Dillon Brooks now in the fold, his role might shrink even more.

PIF mentioned it but Eason was my guy....

Absolutely. You led the way on Tari Eason.

...My 1st choice solution was to trade back and take him down a few slots while picking up an asset later on....

I suggested repeatedly that we try to trade our 10 for Houston's 17 & 26,hoping to get Eason at 17 (or, if he was gone, one of Williams, Griffin, or Braun.

If we'd been ablle to make that trade (we don't know...), then I wanted to trade the 26 for a couple of lower picks (which actually happened btw).

Essentially, I was already in rebuild mode -- & had been for a few years.

...I wanted EJ Liddell --off Brad Beal's AAU team. Christian Koloko --big who defended out to the 3 pt line. Dalen Terry -- attitude boost, forward with a bit of a handle and vision. Jury is out on these three....

I liked Liddell a lot for one of the lower picks I was hoping to get with my second trade. Koloko as well -- along w/ Procida & a couple of other guys.

...If I had to pick, absent intel, I wanted AJ Griffin. Or Mark Williams if Griffin was taken. Either would have been a good choice.

...I can't quite count Tari Eason as my success, since I didn't have to stones to go with my instinct. That instinct said he would be the player every team would kick themselves about not taking. So far it looks like Walker Kessler was that guy, but there is still time And I agree with PIF that Houston is not trading him....

Kessler to be sure -- but his success doesn't dim Eason's light. Nor that of both Mark & Jalen Williams, Jalen Duren or Christian Braun.

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Key point: the 2022 draft offered an extraordinary opportunity to make significant changes to a team that pretty clearly had no significant upside. Instead, Tommy was a) passive, & b) made a truly awful pick at #10 (that's true, btw, even if Johnny does turn into an NBA player -- wch is by no means a certainty!).

Cost him his job. Rightly.

[wewillnevertank]

This is less of a trade suggestion and more of a wish list of young, underappreciated players I'd like to see us target in future trades (if they're made available):

Tre Mann: Dynamic scorer on a loaded OKC roster that will eventually have to make some tough decisions about who they want to invest in long term. Mann could be the odd man out. Stylistically, I love his fit next to Poole.

Tari Eason: Tari was the guy I thought we should've targeted instead of Davis in last year's draft. Despite limited minutes, Tari flashed a lot of the two-way talent that made him a tantalizing prospect at LSU. Houston vastly underutilized him as a rookie, and with Dillon Brooks now in the fold, his role might shrink even more.

Marvin Bagley: Recognizing my recency bias here is solely based on his outburst of a preseason game, but he looks the part of a starting center far more than Gafford does in my opinion. And he's still relatively young. Detroit has already made a long-term commitment to Isaiah Stewart, and Jalen Duren looks poised to be a long-term piece there. Bagley may not stretch the floor the way you want a modern 5 to, but I have a lot more faith in his ability to not get outmuscled than any of our bigs.

Jake LaRavia: Memphis wins the award for deepest rotation at the 4 in the league. They have an embarrassment of riches, and some young player is going to get shafted because of it. I think it'll likely be LaRavia -- a playmaking 4 with a lot of skills that complement Kuz.

Cole Anthony: With Orlando's massive logjam at PG, Cole Anthony is likely the odd person out. He's really more of an undersized 2 than a pure point, but as the kids say, he's got that "dog" in him. He's a competitive young guy we could bring in as a future 6th man/instant O contributor.

Tre Mann has had two very bad years in the league. I can't get behind the idea.

The board overall was very high on Tari Eason -- especially doclinkin (with me in his train). I sincerely doubt Houston lets him go, alas.

A lot of the board also liked LaRavia -- he didn't play much as a rookie, but he was very bad when he did get on the floor.

Cole Anthony had a really bad rookie year, then improved some in his second season & even more last year. He'd be a good get at the right price, IMO.

I concede Mann had a disappointing sophomore year and settled for a lot of bad shots, but if you watched Summer League, he often looked liked the best player on the floor in many of OKC's SL games. In terms of actual games, I think Mann has struggled somewhat to fit within OKC's unorthodox defensive scheme (also one of the reason I think they drafted Cason Wallace). But nearly 60% of his FGs last year were unassisted, and that's a level of self-creation the Wizards have desperately needed in recent years, particularly off the bench. And as I've already argued, his fit next to Poole in a pace-and-space offense is perfect.

As for LaRavia, I understand the concerns about the lack of physicality in his game. I think long-term he may be best-suited as a 3 and not a 4. But I'm still really intrigued by his overall versatility, and he seems like the perfect kind of project for the kind of long-term rebuild we're in for with the Wizards. He could learn a TON from Deni about defensive positioning and rebounding.