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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#461 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:53 pm

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Your metric for being a fan of Purdy as the QB of this team is if he wins a Super Bowl but the guys you think are that much better than him have not won one either. How can you say they are great if they haven't done the one thing you want your QB to do?

It isn't easy to win a Super Bowl even if you have that "extra gear" you apparently want from a Quarterback.


He thinks Lance has the extra gear. He would have started Lance this year.


Lance at least has the physical tools. Not saying he'd be doing better than Purdy this year, he's just capable of higher heights, like winning a SB.


I don't think Lance is capable of higher heights. Lance has shown literally no ability to read the field anywhere near the level that Purdy is. In year 13, might he be in the ballpark of where Purdy is now? I mean, maybe, but I'd bet heavily against it.

Oh, right, the attributes that Purdy has shown that he is downright elite in are irrelevant because literally anyone can do that. Silly me.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#462 » by Big J » Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:59 pm

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He thinks Lance has the extra gear. He would have started Lance this year.


Lance at least has the physical tools. Not saying he'd be doing better than Purdy this year, he's just capable of higher heights, like winning a SB.


I don't think Lance is capable of higher heights. Lance has shown literally no ability to read the field anywhere near the level that Purdy is. In year 13, might he be in the ballpark of where Purdy is now? I mean, maybe, but I'd bet heavily against it.

Oh, right, the attributes that Purdy has shown that he is downright elite in are irrelevant because literally anyone can do that. Silly me.


The things that Purdy does well can be learned through practice and repetition, physical attributes can't be.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#463 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:13 pm

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Lance at least has the physical tools. Not saying he'd be doing better than Purdy this year, he's just capable of higher heights, like winning a SB.


I don't think Lance is capable of higher heights. Lance has shown literally no ability to read the field anywhere near the level that Purdy is. In year 13, might he be in the ballpark of where Purdy is now? I mean, maybe, but I'd bet heavily against it.

Oh, right, the attributes that Purdy has shown that he is downright elite in are irrelevant because literally anyone can do that. Silly me.


The things that Purdy does well can be learned through practice and repetition, physical attributes can't be.


Disagree. A player can improve upon them, but with a lot of that stuff, you have it or you don't. Sam Darnold is in his sixth year with nearly 60 starts, and he can't get past his first read. The examples of guys who never see the field as well as Purdy does right now is huge.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#464 » by Big J » Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:15 pm

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I don't think Lance is capable of higher heights. Lance has shown literally no ability to read the field anywhere near the level that Purdy is. In year 13, might he be in the ballpark of where Purdy is now? I mean, maybe, but I'd bet heavily against it.

Oh, right, the attributes that Purdy has shown that he is downright elite in are irrelevant because literally anyone can do that. Silly me.


The things that Purdy does well can be learned through practice and repetition, physical attributes can't be.


Disagree. A player can improve upon them, but with a lot of that stuff, you have it or you don't. Sam Darnold is in his sixth year with nearly 60 starts, and he can't get past his first read. The examples of guys who never see the field as well as Purdy does right now is huge.


Darnold has never had Ayuk, McCaffrey, Deebo, and Kittle running routs for him.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#465 » by Pattersonca65 » Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:50 pm

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Your metric for being a fan of Purdy as the QB of this team is if he wins a Super Bowl but the guys you think are that much better than him have not won one either. How can you say they are great if they haven't done the one thing you want your QB to do?

It isn't easy to win a Super Bowl even if you have that "extra gear" you apparently want from a Quarterback.


He thinks Lance has the extra gear. He would have started Lance this year.


Lance at least has the physical tools. Not saying he'd be doing better than Purdy this year, he's just capable of higher heights, like winning a SB.


There is no evidence whatsoever lance is capable of winning a super bowl or higher heights. The imaginary physical tools again. He is nothing more than a third string QB
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#466 » by Pattersonca65 » Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:51 pm

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Big J wrote:
The things that Purdy does well can be learned through practice and repetition, physical attributes can't be.


Disagree. A player can improve upon them, but with a lot of that stuff, you have it or you don't. Sam Darnold is in his sixth year with nearly 60 starts, and he can't get past his first read. The examples of guys who never see the field as well as Purdy does right now is huge.


Darnold has never had Ayuk, McCaffrey, Deebo, and Kittle running routs for him.


So what. That doesn't mean he can get the ball to them consistently.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#467 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 10, 2023 11:52 pm

Big J wrote:
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The things that Purdy does well can be learned through practice and repetition, physical attributes can't be.


Disagree. A player can improve upon them, but with a lot of that stuff, you have it or you don't. Sam Darnold is in his sixth year with nearly 60 starts, and he can't get past his first read. The examples of guys who never see the field as well as Purdy does right now is huge.


Darnold has never had Ayuk, McCaffrey, Deebo, and Kittle running routs for him.


Sure, but he still panics if his first read isn't there. Now maybe in this offense, that's fine. He doesn't ever need to get past it. But the dude's vision, awareness, and processing are light years behind Purdy's despite years in the league.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#468 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 10, 2023 11:59 pm

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Finish the job that Jimmy couldn’t. The whole reason for getting a new QB was to put the team over the top.


Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts all haven't won a Super Bowl. What about them?


What about them? They haven’t won one, but they all give you a chance to. All of those guys have an extra gear that Purdy doesn’t.


Just to return to this for a moment, Purdy is dominating all of those guys in deep passing. What is a higher gear than the 30+ yard chunk plays Purdy is rattling off multiple times every game? Purdy has shown he can drive down the field quickly. That's all you really want in terms of elite physical talent, a guy who can will his team to victory in a last-minute drive. Purdy's only had to do it once to date (and his kicker missed the 41-yarder to win in regulation), but I don't see why we would assume he can't.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#469 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Oct 10, 2023 11:59 pm

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Disagree. A player can improve upon them, but with a lot of that stuff, you have it or you don't. Sam Darnold is in his sixth year with nearly 60 starts, and he can't get past his first read. The examples of guys who never see the field as well as Purdy does right now is huge.


Darnold has never had Ayuk, McCaffrey, Deebo, and Kittle running routs for him.


Sure, but he still panics if his first read isn't there. Now maybe in this offense, that's fine. He doesn't ever need to get past it. But the dude's vision, awareness, and processing are light years behind Purdy's despite years in the league.


And Darnold was one example. The list of physically talented guys who never became elite in the mental aspects of the game is down to the floor and around the building.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#470 » by zman1 » Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:19 pm

Good article in the Ringer on Purdy and how he has improved the offense with a lot of contrast to Jimmy G.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/10/11/23912295/brock-purdy-kyle-shanahan-san-francisco-49ers

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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#471 » by thesack12 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:48 am

Read on Twitter



Read on Twitter


But yeah, these stats are "cherry picked"

We all know Purdy is just a product of Kyle's system and he's only checking down to the receivers and CMC.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#472 » by Pattersonca65 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:14 am

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Read on Twitter



Read on Twitter


But yeah, these stats are "cherry picked"

We all know Purdy is just a product of Kyle's system and he's only checking down to the receivers and CMC.


He is just throwing to wide open receivers
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#473 » by Bald Bull » Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:42 am

Purdy is 32nd in attempts per game, but 8th in yards per game. He's been incredibly efficient.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#474 » by Big J » Sun Oct 15, 2023 8:38 pm

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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#475 » by Big J » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:10 pm

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So we're not allowed to critique him at all? I see plenty of guys on this forum critiquing other guys on the team.


We all critique every player on the team including Purdy, go in the game thread and you will see it. But that is not what you do, you keep trying to find reasons for Purdy not to be a good to great QB. No matter what he does, you don't care and doesn't change your mind. He could make a few bad throws and throw a couple INTs just like every other QB including the ones that have all those physical tools you love and that is when you will jump in.

Not just any QB can make these throws and reads, you are completely blind if you think so.

Read on Twitter



Everyday it is something new with this troll.

He said this before the Dallas game

My guess is that he's going to look a lot more like Jimmy in this game than some world beater. His limitations are going to be more apparent against a good D.

The troll was wrong again. So he has to scour the internet to find a Purdy doubter following the game and then he makes up crap like the WRs were all wide open when anyone who watched the game could see many of the throws were made in tight windows. Now, his latest thing is Purdy is going to struggle in the playoffs in the cold weather. LOL


Look who was right about how he'd look against a good defense in bad weather.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#476 » by arich35 » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:19 pm

Big J wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
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We all critique every player on the team including Purdy, go in the game thread and you will see it. But that is not what you do, you keep trying to find reasons for Purdy not to be a good to great QB. No matter what he does, you don't care and doesn't change your mind. He could make a few bad throws and throw a couple INTs just like every other QB including the ones that have all those physical tools you love and that is when you will jump in.

Not just any QB can make these throws and reads, you are completely blind if you think so.

Read on Twitter



Everyday it is something new with this troll.

He said this before the Dallas game

My guess is that he's going to look a lot more like Jimmy in this game than some world beater. His limitations are going to be more apparent against a good D.

The troll was wrong again. So he has to scour the internet to find a Purdy doubter following the game and then he makes up crap like the WRs were all wide open when anyone who watched the game could see many of the throws were made in tight windows. Now, his latest thing is Purdy is going to struggle in the playoffs in the cold weather. LOL


Look who was right about how he'd look against a good defense in bad weather.


LOL congrats dude, a guy looked human in bad weather against a great defense. No QB is perfect, everyone has **** games
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#477 » by Big J » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:30 pm

arich35 wrote:
Big J wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:

Everyday it is something new with this troll.

He said this before the Dallas game

My guess is that he's going to look a lot more like Jimmy in this game than some world beater. His limitations are going to be more apparent against a good D.

The troll was wrong again. So he has to scour the internet to find a Purdy doubter following the game and then he makes up crap like the WRs were all wide open when anyone who watched the game could see many of the throws were made in tight windows. Now, his latest thing is Purdy is going to struggle in the playoffs in the cold weather. LOL


Look who was right about how he'd look against a good defense in bad weather.


LOL congrats dude, a guy looked human in bad weather against a great defense. No QB is perfect, everyone has **** games


I don't need congrats. I am just pointing out that this could be an issue in the playoffs when many games have bad weather and you play against the best defenses.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#478 » by arich35 » Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:01 pm

Big J wrote:
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Big J wrote:
Look who was right about how he'd look against a good defense in bad weather.


LOL congrats dude, a guy looked human in bad weather against a great defense. No QB is perfect, everyone has **** games


I don't need congrats. I am just pointing out that this could be an issue in the playoffs when many games have bad weather and you play against the best defenses.


That could be an issue for any QB at any point.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#479 » by thesack12 » Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:26 pm

arich35 wrote:
Big J wrote:
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LOL congrats dude, a guy looked human in bad weather against a great defense. No QB is perfect, everyone has **** games


I don't need congrats. I am just pointing out that this could be an issue in the playoffs when many games have bad weather and you play against the best defenses.


That could be an issue for any QB at any point.


Yup.

And for that matter, every QB will always be susceptible to having a bad game in ideal conditions against a mediocre defense.

At least they will be until Skynet can create a T100 type of QB. Or wait, actually that thing had a bad day and got beat also, lol.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#480 » by Big J » Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:31 pm

arich35 wrote:
Big J wrote:
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LOL congrats dude, a guy looked human in bad weather against a great defense. No QB is perfect, everyone has **** games


I don't need congrats. I am just pointing out that this could be an issue in the playoffs when many games have bad weather and you play against the best defenses.


That could be an issue for any QB at any point.


True, but people need to stop acting like he's carrying this team. He's an above average QB that looks great when conditions are ideal. His playmakers and Kyle are doing a majority of the lifting.

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