SOUL wrote:pepe1991 wrote:SOUL wrote:It's obviously a flawed lineup but not a bad one - people focus so much on shooting flaws that they completely disregard the good things they compliment each other with. Too many teams tried to emulate the Warriors only to completely fail because they don't have the system of passers or two revolutionary shooters. You need shooting in the modern NBA, so having only 1 or 2 okay shooters in the starting lineup doesn't work long term, but this is one of the more dynamic starting lineups we can have currently that doesn't involve Cole who seems to be a beast in his current role.
Last year it didn't play together much (58 mins) but ORTG was 113.7 and DRTG was 102 and had one of our faster paces for anything over 50 minutes, as well as being the highest net rating difference for anything over 50 minutes.
The one we played most last year was with Gary Harris where ORTG was 113.0 and DRTG 111, which was waaaay more minutes so obviously it was solid but the DRTG left a bit to be desired.
Except fact 113,7 offense isn't good offense.
If that was Magic's offensive rating, they would still be top 10 worst offense for last season.
Also you can't simply supliment lack of shooting with transition and hope that alone will fix your offensive rating.
In top 5 teams in transition, only Kings are also - top 10 offense.
Last year 5 out of 6 bottom six teams had one thing in common. Top 5 worst offense. Go figure.
I think you're conflating some stats though, since that lineup isn't the entire game and it fluctuates, it's actually fine for the caliber of shooting we have.. the +11 net rating is the important part of it, and basically every team's lineups that had about 100+ minutes together were in the range of 108-125 (the elite teams had MORE minutes with crazy high ORTG lineups like Boston, Denver, surprisingly Knicks and a few others).
Curry/Poole/Thompson/Wiggins/Green only had 107.5 ORTG, Garland/Mitchell/Levert/Allen/Mobley 113 ORTG but 98 DRTG, Heat's main starting lineup including Herro 112 ORTG.. so it's not necessarily a bad measure of anything unless your DRTG is also ****, but 113 is firmly in the average range of non-elite teams for singular lineups (and considering their DRTG) - if they built their own version of Cavs lineup where the shooting issues are at guards and not bigs, you know there are flaws but still a really good regular season lineup
My point execlly, even if 113,7 doesn't sound like bad offensive rating, compared with *teams* offensive rating, if that translated across a team, Magic would still have top 10 worst offense.
I didn't bother with net rating due 58 min sample. To be fair, shouldn't even pay attention with offensive rating either, but you mentioned it, and i just wanted to point out that offensive rating in particular, stiill isn't very good offensive rating in comparison with rest of a league.
Warrios had lineup who played 330 min ( Klay, Curry, Looney, Wiggins, Green) with 128 offensive rating and +22 net rating.
Hell, 12 different teams had at least one lineup with + 10 net rating / +120 offensive rating and minimum 100 min played.
To me problem is rather obvious: Suggs isn't gifted shooter, Fultz refuses to shoot, Banchero isn't gifted shooter, Wendell tries but can't be your 5-6-7 three point attemps a game player and maintain accuracy and Franz is okey. But his game isn't based on high volumen 3 point shooting.
And more games you play , bigger problem will be.
And you have some sort of solution right in front of you, just switch Harris & Suggs ( was okey last year) and play Ingles.
Now, where in all that rookies get PT, your guess is as good as mine.
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