Forgotten by time: the Olajuwon/Drexler/Barkley (& Pippen) Houston Rockets

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Forgotten by time: the Olajuwon/Drexler/Barkley (& Pippen) Houston Rockets 

Post#1 » by GSWFan1994 » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:52 pm

Just stumbled upon this great article in a blog I've never seen mentioned here: Hoops Analyst. Highly recommended for those who want a "trip down memory lane" writeups.

It's about the mid/late 90s Houston Rockets teams. As far as I know, rarely talked about here in the forums.

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Some quotes now. For the full article, see the link above.

As we are in the depths of the NBA off-season and waiting for a couple of big names to (maybe) be traded, I thought this would be a good time to review an old controversial big trade: The Rockets’ trade of Charles Barkley in the summer of 1996. Houston traded two key young players (Sam Cassell and Robert Horry) for a 33-year old Barkley in a bid to squeeze another title out of the Hakeem Olajuwon/Clyde Drexler core. The trade didn’t win Houston a title but was it a bad deal? Opinions vary.


The first item that comes up online searching the trade is a 2010 Bleacher Report story that describes the trade thusly: “the Houston Rockets stupidly and stubbornly gambled on a major move in 1996 after winning back-to-back titles, trading away four vital players for an old and grumpy Charles Barkley. Those four players? Sam Cassell, Robert Horry, Chucky Brown, and Mark Bryant.” The article further explained that: “Horry went on to win numerous rings while Cassell went on to lead many, many teams to some great seasons… Not only was Barkley not that good of a player by the time he joined the Rockets in 1996-97, but he also never truly fit in with the entire Houston locker room chemistry that was such a vital part of their back-to-back glory years.” Bleacher Report correctly articulated the cost but, perhaps, understated Barkley’s contributions for Houston.


So, Houston’s option was to stand pat and hope that Horry and Cassell breakout or try to get more sure-fire power to take a shot or two while Hakeem and Drexler were still near their primes. Barkley seemed like the only big name available via trade at the time (the biggest vet names traded that off-season besides Barkley were Rod Strickland and Larry Johnson).


Barkley was an undersized power forward and was not known for having a great work ethic. In theory, he seemed like a bad candidate to age well in his mid-30s. On paper, however, the stats were still pretty good. In 1995-96, Barkley played the most games (71) and minutes (2,632) since 1992-93 and his actual stats were right around what he put up the last four years: 24.8 PER, .191 WS48, 5.7 BPM. I’m not sure what a physical showed but, purely as a player, Barkley should’ve been pretty good for 1996-97.


Barkley was really good in 1996-97 for Houston but had to adjust to a third banana role on offense. His usage dropped from 27.5 to 23.2, his lowest since 1986-87 (Hakeem’s usage was 30.4, near his high-water mark, and Drexler’s 23.5 was virtually the same as the season before). Barkley got touches by rebounding like a fiend. He posted a near career high 20.7 TRB% and dished at also near career high 20.6 AST%. He may have been loud in the locker room, but Barkley fit in really well on the court.


The Rockets lost a lot of depth to get Barkley and SI described the bench as “thin as a supermodel and not nearly as pretty.” Houston filled the roles with very veteran players. The top seven players in minutes played per game were all 33 or older except rookie Matt Maloney, who won the starting point guard job out of the CBA. Maloney was not athletic and didn’t penetrate much and, instead, was a solid spot up three-point guy. He was basically John Paxson and not a true point guard (the offense ran through Drexler anyway and the Rockets were fifth in the NBA in assists and 26th in turnovers).

Health was an issue. Hakeem played 78 games but Barkley did wear down under heavy minutes and played only 53 games (the Rockets were 41-12 in those games). Drexler played 62 games (Houston was 46-16 in those games). Overall, they went 57-25 and were well balanced (7th on offense, 10th on defense, 8th in pace).


In the playoffs, Houston beat nemesis Seattle in an epic seven-game series where Barkley was a key factor in matching Kemp. Maloney played relatively well against Payton as well. In the Western Conference Finals, however, Utah beat Houston 4-2 and John Stockton ran wild (20.5 ppg, .651 TS%, 10.3 apg) and hit the series winning shot over Barkley. Barkley had a pretty good series and held Karl Malone to .494 TS%. So, no title but the Barkley gambit worked pretty well in Year 1.


Despite the nice 1996-97, the Rockets were clearly a declining asset. The key players were a year older, and Vegas was skeptical. Houston’s odds of winning a title in 1996-97 were +700 and had an over-under of 53.5 wins. The title odds rose to +1200 for 1997-98 with an over-under of 50.5 wins.

Drexler and Barkley were relatively healthy (both playing about 70 games) but the anchor, Hakeem, was wearing out. Olajuwon struggled with injuries and played only 47 games (Houston was 26-21 in those games, 15-20 without him). Both Barkley and Hakeem were good but their stats were also creeping downwards to their lowest advanced numbers since their rookie seasons (for example: 3.0 BPM for Hakeem, 2.8 BPM for Barkley).

Overall, the offense was still good (8th) but the collective age showed most on defense where they dropped from 10th to 25th.


Barkley did have some rough moments with his fellow stars. Larry Platt’s “Keepin’ It Real,” details troubles from early in the 1997-98 season: “After last week’s last-second loss at Portland (Barkley missed two layups with the game on the line), Olajuwon complained about not getting the ball down the stretch. Barkley told Eddie Sefko, a beat writer for the Houston Chronicle, that Hakeem is ‘a big baby.’ Drexler chimed in, taking Olajuwon’s side, unable to resist the opportunity to needle Barkley publicly.” The three stars then did a press conference after this spat affirming that there was no dissension on the team.

Later in the year, as the team really struggled, the Barkley/Drexler beef simmered again. Platt wrote that: “[t]he buzz is that Drexler and Barkley are feuding and can no longer play together….Drexler is, after all, an adherent to the crossover ethic that Barkley finds so phony. One team source blames Drexler: ‘Clyde is jealous,’ the source says, pointing out that Barkley’s flamboyance naturally overshadows Drexler’s quiet, classy demeanor….But those close to the team, including Barkley himself, scoff at the idea of significant friction between the two stars. In other worse, it’s nothing a winning streak wouldn’t straighten out.” It was clear that Barkley and Drexler were never buddies but any talk of a big rift in the locker room was overblown.


Even though he was still pretty good, Drexler retired after the 1997-98 season to coach the University of Houston (he would go 19-39 in two years before resigning). Houston replaced Drexler with a 33-year old Scottie Pippen to team with Barkley (now age-35) and Hakeem (age-36). The Rockets had also found a few useful active young guards in rookies Michael Dickerson and Cuttino Mobley.


The Rockets were a solid mid-seed but really struggled against the best of the West (3-9 against the top four seeds in the West) and fattened on non-playoff teams (Houston was 20-4 against them). The Rockets were a five seed and drew the Kobe/Shaq Lakers in the first round. The Lakers took the series 3-1 but the games were relatively close. Both Barkley (23.5 ppg, 13.8 rpg, 3.8 apg) and Pippen (18.3 ppg, 11.8 rpg, 5.5 apg) played well but Hakeem (13.3 ppg on .426%) was crushed by prime Shaq (29.5 ppg, .523%).

Pippen became disenchanted with Houston’s post up offense and demanded a trade after the season. Barkley, who took a pay cut to help get Pippen, considered the demand disloyal and said so publicly. Pippen, who has never been afraid to nuke people who annoy him, did just that to Sir Charles stating that: “[Barkley] can never expect an apology from me. If anything, he owes me an apology for coming to play with his sorry fat butt.” Pippen was able to force a trade to Portland shortly after this.


Houston still wanted to try to ride Barkley and Olajuwon for 1999-00, this time adding rookie star Steve Francis to the mix but the wheels finally fell off for the older stars. Barkley blew out his patella tendon 20 games into the season and Hakeem played only 44 games and was also ineffective. The injuries didn’t really matter to the Rockets’ overall performance anyway. Houston was 7-13 when Barkley got hurt and finished 34-48 for the season. Barkley retired and went on to an announcing career where he’s made a better salary than he did as a player.


The Barkley Era yielded one bona fide title run in 1996-97, a few decent moments the next two years but no more playoff wins. Barkley played mostly very well and there is little evidence that he was a source of serious trouble in the locker room. The Drexler fight was exaggerated and the Pippen fight appears to have been 90% Pippen trying to force a trade to a better team.

Had the Rockets just kept Cassell and Horry during that time span, they would’ve been solid but not any better in 1996-97. After 1997, Houston might’ve have been better with Cassell and Horry but a title shot wasn’t realistic then anyway. An argument can be made that Houston could’ve traded Cassell and Horry for a better return later (Cassell was traded for Jason Kidd a few months after the Barkley trade) but that would be gambling that a better star was going to be available midway through the season. It was not readily apparent in the summer of 1996 that Kidd was going to be traded anyway (Kidd’s career is a whole other article!).

Barkley told SI in 1996 that “[i]f we don’t win the championship, I’ll be crushed. But I don’t make guarantees.” In that sense, the Barkley trade was a disappointment. Ultimately, Barkley was very good on Houston (and surprisingly adaptable) but they couldn’t get to a Finals in the small window when their stars were young enough to dominate and they were just okay the rest of his tenure. Still, it was worth the gamble for Houston relative to cost and the Barkley Years were never boring.


Back at the time, as a brazilian, I remember being flabbergasted seeing the news of Barkley being traded to the Rockets (and then Pippen too).

Internet was very scarce back then, we didn't have "rumours" or gossip of 24-hour news cycle like nowadays. Things just happened and hit you like a bomb in the face.

Moreover, we almost had a Bulls/Rockets finals in 1997. How cool would be that? But truth be told, the West was a bloodbath back then, with the Malone/Stockton Jazz, the Kemp/Payton Sonics, and the stacked Lakers coming up too.

It's very curious to read, too, that a 33-year old Pippen, 35-year old Barkley and 36-year old Olajuwon were considered, at a point, like washed-up veterans, compared to many guys we're seeing nowadays extending their careers and prime years.

How do you remember those Rockets teams? Looking back, did they do the right choices by going all-in?
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Post#2 » by andalusian » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:57 pm

My memory of that team was of very boring basketball and a lot of pounding the ball into the post for Barkley with his back to the basket and a lot of standing around. I do not think they ever ran enough to give Barkley, Drexler and the Dream their advantage.
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Post#3 » by dockingsched » Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:12 pm

All I remember is Horry clashing with Ainge on the Suns, throwing a towel in his face, and then getting traded to the Lakers and becoming a key piece in the threepeat.
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Post#4 » by GSWFan1994 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:20 am

dockingsched wrote:All I remember is Horry the clashing with Ainge on the Suns, throwing a towel in his face, and then getting traded to the Lakers ahead of being a key piece in the threepeat.


Yes, I remember that episode vividly, it made the news all over the TV and such here.

If they thought throwing a towel was "polemic", little they knew Rasheed Wallace was on the way... :lol:
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Post#5 » by Phreak50 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:48 am

Still remember Barkley’s first game as a Rocket, 33 rebounds!!
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Post#6 » by ChiTownHero1992 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:56 am

They were all past their prime but if these guys got together in the early 90s then history would have a mcuh different story!
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Post#7 » by One_and_Done » Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:00 pm

They were past their prime when Barkley got there, and in Barkley's own words they were fat and old by the time Pippen arrived.
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Post#8 » by WarriorGM » Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:47 pm

But but but Hakeem never played with another all-star!
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Post#9 » by Duffman100 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:58 pm

90s Rockets had some of my favourite teams.
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Post#10 » by DimesandKnicks » Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:06 pm

WarriorGM wrote:But but but Hakeem never played with another all-star!


But but, they were all washed
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Post#11 » by TheGeneral99 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:21 pm

It's very curious to read, too, that a 33-year old Pippen, 35-year old Barkley and 36-year old Olajuwon were considered, at a point, like washed-up veterans, compared to many guys we're seeing nowadays extending their careers and prime years.


This is nothing new.

Even today, very few stars today can sustain their success past their mid-30s.

In the 2022 all-star game, Lebron and CP3 were the only players above the age of 35 to make the roster.

In the 2023 all-star game, Lebron was the only player above the age of 35 to make the roster.

I believe guys like Curry and KD will be able to sustain their all-star level play for another 2-3 years due to their incredible skill level.

Today, there are only a handful of players playing above the age of 36 and very few are even productive. You have Lebron, PJ Tucker, CP3, Gibson, Lowry, Temple, Horford, Gay, J. Green, Mathews, D. Green, Ingles, Conley. Out of those players, guys like Gibson, Temple, Gay, and Mathews barely even play anymore. So you basically have only have about 10 players above age 36 that can still produce and only 1 of them (Lebron) is producing at an all-star level.

Recent examples:

Carmelo is 38 and hasn't been a star since he was 34 and started to decline earlier.

Millsap is 37 and hasn't been a star since he was in his early 30s.

Lowry is 37 and hasn't been a star since he was 34.

Westbrook is 34 and is no longer an all-star caliber player. He has also been declining since he was about 32.

Kobe was no longer an all-star caliber player after 35.

Dirk started declining hard at 35 and was no longer an all-star caliber player at 36.

Griffin is 34 and hasn't been an all-star caliber player since he was 30.
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Post#12 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:27 pm

I recall thinking this would be game over for the league...how stupid I was. Looking back, Chuck had become almost exclusively a post player who had a propensity to take stupid 3's. So playing next to Hakeem who creates 3's and wants the ball in the post is just a terrible idea. The rockets seemed decent however at getting them both good touches in the post. The real issue of course was going from having a legit high quality point guard (Cassell, who thanks to going to the bucks will never be remembered as nearly as good a point guard as he actually was) to what was it? Some 25 or something year old rookie point guard was running the show. I mean it was seriously a terrible fit and a classic example of 1+1=1 with compounding the same skills on a team vs having guys who complement each other.

Pippen was however a very good addition as he's much more a point than Drexler...but by then age was far too big a problem. Add in Pippen wasn't a catch and shoot guy and the rockets just wanted to throw the ball into the post to two aging big men who I suppose likely weren't still able to play with more movement and action.

Anyway I fondly remember this team as much through basketball cards as from sport center leading up to the season. During the season...they really weren't that much fun to watch.
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Post#13 » by Gusto1903 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:37 pm

Pippen should stfu about Jordan tho
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Post#14 » by druggas » Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:27 pm

Gusto1903 wrote:Pippen should stfu

FIFY.
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Post#15 » by TrentTuckerRule » Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:23 pm

I've just finished reading Pippen's book and I recollect him bringing up an issue of how fundamentally different Jackson's triangle offense and Houston's iso-heavy systems were. Can't say if that really was the case as I probably didn't watch any Hakeem/Chuck/Pip Rockets game.

Obviously the experiment didn't pan out as planned.

On a side note I think those jerseys were nightmarish.
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Post#16 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:31 pm

TrentTuckerRule wrote:I've just finished reading Pippen's book and I recollect him bringing up an issue of how fundamentally different Jackson's triangle offense and Houston's iso-heavy systems were. Can't say if that really was the case as I probably didn't watch any Hakeem/Chuck/Pip Rockets game.

Obviously the experiment didn't pan out as planned.

On a side note I think those jerseys were nightmarish.


I'd be more interested in a breakdown of that one season vs Pippen's first with the blazers. Blazers ran an awful lot of iso to the post, but my memory of THAT one year with Pippen is blurry as hell. But pippen thrived in making teammates better in portland and not so much in houston.
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Post#17 » by TrentTuckerRule » Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:39 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
I'd be more interested in a breakdown of that one season vs Pippen's first with the blazers. Blazers ran an awful lot of iso to the post, but my memory of THAT one year with Pippen is blurry as hell. But pippen thrived in making teammates better in portland and not so much in houston.


Not a season breakdown but an interesting read anyway:

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/old-school/scottie-pippen-revealed-the-highs-and-lows-of-rasheed-wallace
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Post#18 » by kodo » Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:11 pm

I remember this sounded scary on paper, and was certainly the biggest news around the league. But from a Chicago POV, Houston always played us close when it was focused on Dream or Barkley but when they played together the Ws were easier. I think one of first time we played in 98 Barkley just roasted us for 35/15 or something crazy and Dream was out. Then we played them healthy and everyone had like 16 points and it was an easy win.

Being in their mid 30s, I don't think that group ever learned to play well enough together where at the time you had guys like MJ/Pip, Stockton & Malone, who spent their careers playing off each other. That being said it wasn't a bad team at all, even the 99 Rockets were a top offense. It was just a bloodbath in the WC.

In that era teams that nobody even remembers today were good enough to go to the WC Finals, like Sabonis/Rasheed Blazers. Will we ever see another conf Finals team where nobody averages more than 13 ppg?
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Post#19 » by tsherkin » Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:20 pm

Old, injured. Barkley had been declining in his peak athleticism for like half a decade at that point. Two post guys trying to work together. Gave up a whole bunch of depth, and playoff high performers at that.

Not a great trade at all. I would have loved to see the intact Rockets taking a run at the 96 Bulls, that would have been a hell of a show.
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Post#20 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:41 pm

tsherkin wrote:Old, injured. Barkley had been declining in his peak athleticism for like half a decade at that point. Two post guys trying to work together. Gave up a whole bunch of depth, and playoff high performers at that.

Not a great trade at all. I would have loved to see the intact Rockets taking a run at the 96 Bulls, that would have been a hell of a show.


The problem was the Rockets before the trade still didn't really look like they could beat that Sonics team...which honestly should have played the bulls 3 straight finals, but clearly they didn't maintain their 96 form either. At the time it looked like you had to upgrade if you wanted a shot there.

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