Who Should Be The 5th Starter?

engelmartin · Post #141 » by **engelmartin** » Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:01 pm

Finn wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Can't see this thread without wondering WHO IS THE 5TH CYLON?

Hint: it’s not Baltar!

I voted AJJ but I’m ok with Cool Beas.

BUCKnation · Post #142 » by **BUCKnation** » Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:18 pm

I think Pat will end up with the most minutes out of the lot, especially if he plays to his normal self, unlike last year. I'd save him for the 2nd unit though, same with Jae.

I probably just start Malik or Marjon.

I think AJ Green could be fun. Give him until the TV timeout to get a couple of looks.

AussieBuck · Post #143 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:54 pm

Beasley's more likely to be a problem on offense IMO. In the Terry Stotts, take the first open shot style, dude is going to get his 20+USG% while playing with 4 waaay better players. Dude has to come off the bench when two of the main guys are resting.

wallus · Post #144 » by **wallus** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:05 am

Start the season with Pat and hope that MJB or AJJ earn it.

Brewster · Post #145 » by **Brewster** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:46 am

Why can't Jae Crowder start? The year they won it, it was a lineup of Holiday, Middleton, Tucker, Giannis, and Brook. I could see them do something similar of Dame, Middleton, Crowder, Giannis and Brook and have Crowder guard the opposing team's offensive player.

ShootingtheJ · Post #146 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:52 am

Brewster wrote:Why can't Jae Crowder start? The year they won it, it was a lineup of Holiday, Middleton, Tucker, Giannis, and Brook. I could see them do something similar of Dame, Middleton, Crowder, Giannis and Brook and have Crowder guard the opposing team's offensive player.

I wouldn't say we can't do that, but Holiday's defense and versatility made that lineup easier to run with.

Also, that same lineup but with Pat in for PJ was our most productive lineup in that playoff run. We shouldn't overlook Pat.

MVP2110 · Post #147 » by **MVP2110** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:05 am

Brewster wrote:Why can't Jae Crowder start? The year they won it, it was a lineup of Holiday, Middleton, Tucker, Giannis, and Brook. I could see them do something similar of Dame, Middleton, Crowder, Giannis and Brook and have Crowder guard the opposing team's offensive player.

Middleton was the teams starting SG that run and is now 3 years and a couple of surgeries older. I doubt he can be the starting SG outside of a couple specific matchups

All The Bucks · Post #148 » by **All The Bucks** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:27 am

The answer is Pat because this ain't the time to be effing around. Got championships to win

randy84 · Post #149 » by **randy84** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:16 am

All The Bucks wrote:The answer is Pat because this ain't the time to be effing around. Got championships to win

I agree. Why screw around with rookies or second year players to "see what they can do"? Make them force their way into the lineup. If they are good, then they should feast on other teams bench squads and beat out the Beasleys and Patty Cs of the world.

If the Bucks don't go on a deep title run, then Dame and possible Giannis are going to be gone.

Milbucks96 · Post #150 » by **Milbucks96** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:19 pm

Yea I’m all about winning the most games for the highest seed, and that involves the best players playing together. In my eyes that’s pat starting. I understand the logic in wanting to see if the young guys are good but that has to happen organically instead of experimenting. If they’re good enough to take minutes they will.

Malik Beasley is garbage to me but if he steps up and the coaching staff sees something, then so be it.

emunney · Post #151 » by **emunney** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:32 pm

Agree that we shouldn't screw around with starting a forward who can't move laterally at guard next to our offensive juggernaut point guard.

chonestown · Post #152 » by **chonestown** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:09 pm

emunney wrote:Agree that we shouldn't screw around with starting a forward who can't move laterally at guard next to our offensive juggernaut point guard.

This is why I've long advocated for Jeremy Lamb. Hammonds, make it happen.

rayallenscalves · Post #153 » by **rayallenscalves** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:26 pm

All The Bucks wrote:The answer is Pat because this ain't the time to be effing around. Got championships to win

Griff has made it clear that the fifth starter will be guarding the other team's best offensive wing. I can't see Pat being that guy. I've never seen him as that great of a defender and, at this point in his career, he's not all of a sudden going to become an elite defensive player.

Marjon and Dre have the potential, if it's not already the reality, to be our best wing defenders. I also think Dre would better allow the second unit to succeed (the starters will survive just fine without him). For those reasons, and others, Marjon feels like the better fit to start.

raferfenix · Post #154 » by **raferfenix** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:54 pm

Certainly possible Giannis and Dame were talking up MarJon in training camp just to get his confidence going.

Either way he's got the physical tools to help us a lot on D which is what we need most at the swing spots.

That said seems like AJJ has been showing a lot more in games fans have had access to.

Regular season is very long and our coach is known for developing young players. If starting one of them helps spur that along that could be more important than whatever benefit Beasley or Pat would provide in the period before the trade deadline.

Daver · Post #155 » by **Daver** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:55 pm

rayallenscalves wrote:
All The Bucks wrote:The answer is Pat because this ain't the time to be effing around. Got championships to win

Griff has made it clear that the fifth starter will be guarding the other team's best offensive wing. I can't see Pat being that guy. I've never seen him as that great of a defender and, at this point in his career, he's not all of a sudden going to become an elite defensive player.

Im not a huge fan of beasley its no secret thst AG loves spacing and he feels beasley can gim him that plus 3 pt shooting.
Marjon n dre will not be starting .Closing whole different situation n i could see dre in there.This board is whacked if they think dre or marjon will be the starting 2 with this vet roster n chip aspirations neither can shoot the 3 n spacing would not be good.Opposing Ds will sag off both n DC dame or giannis.A good 3 pt shooter(pat/beasley) n the D csnt sag off which makes the O even more lethal.
It will be beasley or pat most likely beasley.Grif has been happy with beas D hes said it a couple times.With beas in a contract year im thinking he will have a good year

Marjon and Dre have the potential, if it's not already the reality, to be our best wing defenders. I also think Dre would better allow the second unit to succeed (the starters will survive just fine without him). For those reasons, and others, Marjon feels like the better fit to start.

Im not a huge fan of beasley its no secret thst AG loves spacing and he feels beasley can gim him that plus 3 pt shooting.
Marjon n dre will not be starting .Closing whole different situation n i could see dre in there.This board is whacked if they think dre or marjon will be the starting 2 with this vet roster n chip aspirations neither can shoot the 3 n spacing would not be good.Opposing Ds will sag off both n DC dame or giannis.A good 3 pt shooter(pat/beasley) n the D csnt sag off which makes the O even more lethal.
It will be beasley or pat most likely beasley.Grif has been happy with beas D hes said it a couple times.With beas in a contract year im thinking he will have a good year

raferfenix · Post #156 » by **raferfenix** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:59 pm

Alternatively Beasley is young enough where he could be viewed as someone who can still develop too.

It wouldn't be the first time Horst made a coup of Lebron's leftovers either.

Highlights from GHOSTofSIKMA's post earlier:

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote: https://www.canishoopus.com/2022/5/25/23140592/2021-22-minnesota-timberwolves-season-review-malik-beasley

While Beasley’s shooting returning to his norm in the second half of the season was the big story, he really earned his minutes by coupling that shooting by playing improved team defense in Minnesota’s high-wall scheme. In many ways, it was the perfect fit for a player like Beasley. Beas isn’t necessarily an elite athlete, but he is a good one, and he played better in a scheme that relied a bit more on instinct and athleticism than being overly precise with rotations in the half-court.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2023/10/11/milwaukee-bucks-guard-malik-beasley-motivated-in-first-year-with-team/71125771007/

“I came here to also help my defense,” Beasley said matter-of-factly. “They make an impact on defense. Especially with (assistant) coach (Patrick) Mutombo, that’s his specialty. I heard coach (Adrian) Griffin, that’s what he likes, too. I want this to be a great year not just for me individually, but overall as a team and building my value more than just a three-point shooter.”

i think were being overzealous with our beasley sucks on defense takes. where is this coming from? why does griffin think he can be competent and we as fans dont?

midranger · Post #157 » by **midranger** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:11 pm

Injuries and load management will happen which will obviously impact minute per game averages, but assuming everyone is available and playing, what would a typical minute breakdown look like during the regular season?

Giannis 30
Dame 30
Middleton 28
Lopez 26
Patty 26
Bobby 24
Payne 20
Crowder 16

Leaves about 40ish minutes for Beasley, Marjon, AJ, AJJ, (and I guess Thanasis and RoLo)

During the playoffs, those 40 minutes probably drop to nearly 0 absent a major breakout by one of those guys.

raferfenix · Post #158 » by **raferfenix** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:26 pm

Daver wrote:Grif has been happy with beas D hes said it a couple times.With beas in a contract year im thinking he will have a good year

I'm trying to talk myself into Beas in light of Griffin's comments but I am concerned about ending up with another Terry Stotts style defense-free backcourt like he did so many times in Milwaukee as well as in Portland.

MVP2110 · Post #159 » by **MVP2110** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:31 pm

Read on Twitter

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This is one of 2 main reasons Beas shouldn't start. Let him take these tough contested shots with the 2nd unit, not while Giannis, Dame, & Khris are on the floor

FrieAaron · Post #160 » by **FrieAaron** » Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:16 pm

MVP2110 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?t=Tt7LIzHYpOwaU9JQSY5GGA&s=19

This is one of 2 main reasons Beas shouldn't start. Let him take these tough contested shots with the 2nd unit, not while Giannis, Dame, & Khris are on the floor

I agree Beasley should be coming off the bench, but the point of the tweet is that they won't be that contested playing with Giannis. There is absolutely no way playing with the starting unit wouldn't drop that number dramatically for him.

Who Should Be The 5th Starter and why